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The Circular Continuum: A Crisis of Faith (or Approach) Among Atheists

mendoza-fig1[1]As this NPR story points out there has been a crisis of faith or approach among Atheists.  A newer group of Atheists are insisting upon aggressively confronting religious ideas, whereas the older group favors working with believers.  Some of the new groups tactics include de-baptizing people with hair dryers, trading pornography for Bibles, as well as holding art exhibits that depict scenes offensive to Christians.

I am reminded of those dorm bull sessions where we talked about “The Circular Continuum”:  The further  tolerant you become, you can lapse over into intolerance of intolerance – as an example.  The new Atheists, I think propose discorse that is as offensive as Fred Phelps styled “Christian-love”.

What do you bloggers think?  I am of the opinion that street theater is seldom entertaining or especially useful.

iggydonnelly

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Arrest A Preacher Today!

james-dobson-2[1]I want to arrest a preacher today!  But only after I give legal cover to as many pedophiles as I can!  These patently absurd arguements are being provided by the religious right as to why GAY people should not be given Hate-Crime protections.  It is tantamount to saying:  “I will lose my religious freedoms, if I am not free to hate!”

I mean this would really piss me off if it wasn’t such stupid crap!  No, stike that.  It pisses me off BECAUSE it is such stupid crap!

Read more here.

1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

iggydonnelly

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Does a belief in God constitute religion?

e-bible-quiz-booth-salvation-o-meterWhile reading “The Family”, I got to wondering about God and religion. If one assumes God exists, does it then become necessary to form religious beliefs? Are they one in the same?  There are over 4200 active religions in the world, all of them thinking they’re the one true religion. The average Christian religion posits one cannot attain heaven if one doesn’t take Christ into both their lives and hearts. That would leave out all atheists, Jews, Muslims and non-Christians. Quite a large group of humans destined for someplace other than heaven.

Jews believe Christ has not been on this planet, Buddhists believe in Buddha, Muslims believe in the prophet Mohammad, etc.. Would a God, any God, exclude such a population because of something they don’t  believe in? God supposedly told the Prophets, after the flood, He would not interfere in the affairs of man again. One can take that to mean there was no Son of God on earth, because if He did, wouldn’t that make God a liar? Can God lie?

My point is religion can be both a good and bad thing, and at the same time. How many wars have been fought in the name of religion? How many humans slaughtered in the name of Religion? Do those wars justify religion in any way? Conversely, and maybe more importantly, does religion justify war? Believe me, I know religion is abused by any number of people, Tony Alamo being one example, but the majority of religious people are good people. But is religion, in the long run, necessary to attain heaven? Is a religion, such as Catholicism, any better than an Australian tribe worshiping  Uluru? My opinion would be emphatically no. My base belief is if one lives the golden rule, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”, that is all that is needed to attain heaven, assuming, again, heaven actually exists. That, to me at least, is not a religion, per se, but a core belief in humanity. Does that mean I’m destined for the bbq pit? I have no problem with religion, I just don’t think any organized religion is a deciding factor when it come to God’s judgment: He judges on how one lives their life.

Okay, can open: your thoughts? (Imagine this post on TBTSNBN)

jamnmer5

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New Book Meeting: I am wanting to see all who would be interested in meeting up at my house next month…

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I am wanting to start a “book club” that has no particular theme.  I will send out my street address as that becomes necessary.  I and the members need a couple of weeks to read the book(s).  The theme can be anything of interest to the group members. Send out an email to get things started.  Lend some ideas as to what would work for you…

Thanks for all you do…  Steven

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Catholics Against Health-Care Nuts…

kubrick2-9910[1]Dr. Strangelove and opinionated Catholics are kind of a troubling combination.  Are they not?

Well maybe not, opinionated Catholics contend differently.

The OC folk think that getting healthcare reform passed as soon as possible is the way to go.  Their site says:

“There seems to be a line of logic that those that have concerns over health care reform should be engaged. In fact we have even been treated to the spectacle of some United States Senators (who on our side) saying that those that have such concerns are SANE AMERICANS.

“Thankfully this counterproductive pandering to the mob that represents what is worse in America (Click here for pictures of the usual suspects) is still a minority approach. Rep. John Dingell does the Lord’s work in reminding us that Health Care reform opponents are like Klan & White Supremacists. We must never forget who we are dealing with. As Rep. Brian Baird (D., Wash.) so well puts it Health-Care Opponents remind him of Tim McVeigh.

See the site here.

iggy donnelly – btw, Dr. Strangelove is one of my all time favorite movies…

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Halleujah, Brother. And Pass those Green Backs: The Prosperity of Prosperity Preaching

So, we’re in a recession?  Not true, for “prosperity preachers”.  These Bible thumpers preach the gospel of giving money to them, so that God will return it, multiplied, to the giver.  According to this interesting  sect, God wants people to get rich, for such is His reward to those who follow the plan.

Kenneth and Gloria Copeland and associates preach the gospel of following the word of God which leads to riches.  Such certainly did “work” for them in that their estimated yearly income is $100 million.  The central premise in the Copeland wealth generation plan is send them the money.  To reap the benefits of God’s love in greenbacks, all one has to do is to have faith in God and the Bible AND generously donate to the Copelands, the next thing you know you will be in Greenback heaven.

A vocal critic of the Copeland’s, “Professor Walton called the prosperity preachers ‘spiritual pickpockets.’”“’To dismiss and ignore the harsh realities of this economic crisis,’ he said. ‘is beyond irresponsible, to the point of reprehensible.’”

Read more here.

iggy donnelly

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C Street and the Family

political_religious_tshirt-p235994469140287946trlf_400Doug Coe, the leader of the Family,  has said “One of the things [Jesus] has said is ‘If any man comes to me, and does not hate his father, mother, brother, sister, his own life, he can’t be a disciple.’ So I don’t care what other qualifications you have, if you don’t do that, you can’t be a disciple of Christ.”

This is the foundation of the quasi-religious group called the Family.  Abraham Vereide founded the group in 1934 in response the Franklin D Roosevelt’s new deal. He felt Roosevelt’s new deal would allow unions to take over the Seattle’s  government. He organized prayer breakfasts that included politicians and business leaders that included anti-communist and anti union discussions, thinking both were one in the same.  The prayer breakfast discussions took off until they were in over forty cities, and in 1943 incorporated into the the national committee of Christian leadership, with it’s offices in Chicago. The following year he changed its name to International Christian leadership, and moved to Washington D.C..

Flash forward to today:  The Family represents “Jesus plus nothing,” as its leader, Doug Coe, puts it, the “totalitarianism of God,” in the words of an early Family leader, a vision that encompasses not just social issues but also the kind of free-market fundamentalism that is the real object of devotion for core members and insiders. At the heart of the Family’s spiritual advice for its proxies in Congress is the conviction that the market’s invisible hand represents the guidance of God, and that God wants his “new chosen” to look out for one another.

This is the basis of the politicians who belong to the group. Coe has stated on numerous occasions the group is at its best when it can act like the mafia: acting in secret can accomplish more than in public.

Fellowship leader Doug Coe repeatedly urges a personal commitment to Jesus Christ that he compares to the blind devotion that Adolf Hitler demanded from his followers. Coe has stated “Hitler, Goebbels and Himmler were three men. Think of the immense power these three men had, these nobodies from nowhere,” and later in the same sermon: “Jesus said, ‘You have to put me before other people. And you have to put me before yourself. With Hitler, that was the demand to be in the Nazi party. You have to put the Nazi party and its objectives ahead of your own life and ahead of other people.”

Is the influence this group appears to have with politicians violate the separation of church and state? I think that’s a good question, considering their background and stated mission.

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jammer5

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Why No Death Penalty for Scott Roeder?

ScottRoeder-300x250.300wide.250high[1]The death penalty will not be considered for Scott Roeder whom many eye-witnesses attest murdered George Tiller, M.D. in cold blood in his Church on 05-31-09.  My question is:  why not?

While Nola Foulston likes to talk tough, it is my opinion she is a pretty conservative in the sense that she does not like to take political risks.  I think I agree with what I speculate are her moral calculations with this case.

Roeder has been diagnosed with Schizophrenia in the past.  His court appointed attorneys would likely raise a McNaughton defense* if the sought penalty was death.  I think Nola’s calculus is “let’s get him for something less than the death penalty; he will likely die in prison, anyway”.  Mission accomplished.

I am pro-choice and anti-death penalty.  My ex-wife used to enjoy pointing out the basic inconsistencies of my position on these subjects. Inconsistency does not bother me that much.  I think our support of the death penalty in this country groups us with some of the most backward and fascist governments in the world.  I would hope for more for America.

Given all of the above, I have to wonder if the death penalty for Scott Roeder would not send an important message to the next generation of abortion doctor killers?  I think Roeder says pretty outrageous things for press and the attention, but I have no doubt there are many poised to follow in his footsteps.

In the end, I do agree with Ms. Foulston; a state sponsored killing of Roeder, makes the state no better than him.  Though I am doubting the preceding was her rationalization.

*McNaughton = not guilty by reason of insanity defense.  These are rarely won – which is contrary to what the public believes as revealed by numerous surveys.

iggydonnelly

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Newman. You’re invited to leave town…

TroyNewman2[1]It is interesting that Scott Roeder is saying that Operation Rescue took over $1,000 in donations from him.  Newman is denying finding Scott in their data-base.

I wonder if Troy Newman (pictured) will decide that now might be a good time for him to get out of Wichita.  What purpose does the scum have here now that Tiller is deceased?  Please join me in inviting Mr. Newman to leave Doodah, ASAP.  And, Troy, don’t let the door hit you in the ass as you go…

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The house on C Street and its secrets

Recently Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina and Senator John Ensign of Nevada made news with their sexual indiscretions.  The private emails between Sanford and his Argentine mistress, and his childish protestations of finding his soul mate probably kept him in the news longer than a run-of-the-mill affair might have.  The payments from Ensign’s parents did the same favor of keeping him in the news longer.  Then Michael Jackson died and news outlets were distracted by this new bright and shiny object.

Underlying the Ensign affair was news of a C Street House, a Capitol Hill townhouse inhabited by an all-male group of right-wing Republican congressmen belonging to The Fellowship, an evangelical group.

Greater detail about the people and activities of The Fellowship could come from a diary Max Blumenthal tells us about in his piece — The Secret GOP Sex Diary.

While former Rep. Chip Pickering of Mississippi allegedly carried on an extramarital affair with Elizabeth Creekmore Byrd, he recorded details of his exploits in a secret diary, including the dates and locations of his adulterous encounters.

Pickering, a Republican, described several assignations he had with Creekmore Byrd inside the C Street House, a Capitol Hill townhouse inhabited by an all-male group of right-wing Republican congressmen belonging to The Fellowship, an evangelical group, according to a person familiar with the diary’s contents.

And according to a divorce filing by Pickering’s estranged wife, Leisha, the former congressman’s diary reveals the identities of several men who enabled his adulterous trysts and helped him cover his tracks.

After serving 12 years in Congress, he announced his intention not to seek re-election suddenly in August 2007.  Chip Pickering’s wife had announced she would divorce him by the time he resigned from Congress, but her motivation for the divorce was unknown at the time, leaving Pickering’s resignation shrouded in mystery.  When she attempted to introduce her husband’s diary as evidence during a divorce hearing in Mississippi, Pickering’s lawyers demanded Judge Cynthia Lee Brewer keep them under seal.

His affair only came to light when Leisha Pickering sued her husband’s alleged mistress, Creekmore Byrd. Mississippi is one of four states that allow such lawsuits, justifying them on the grounds that sabotaging a marriage represents deliberate interference with a legally binding contract. To represent her, Leisha Pickering has tapped two high-powered local lawyers who are both former state Supreme Court justices.

A source close the case told me the judge presiding over the lawsuit could rule to make the Pickering diary public, thereby voiding Brewer’s decision in the divorce court. So long as the judge’s decision is pending, the diary represents a ticking time bomb—with the potential to rock corridors of conservative power from Jackson, Mississippi, to C Street in Washington.

Stay tuned!  This diary kept by one of the C Street adulterers could shed much light on The Fellowship. We may yet learn many more details about this C Street house, the people there and the activities they keep so secret.

fnord

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Phelps Family Spreading Hate

The Phelps / Roper family was in New York to spread hate.  Among other places in The Big Apple, they protested outside Walter Cronkite’s funeral yesterday. They even had a fancy sign made up that said “Cronkite in Hell.”  Just like the Republican Party platform of exclusion and intolerance the Phelps-Ropers, founding family behind the Westboro Baptist Church, are against abortion, gays, they are white supremacists and they spread the word of a vengeful God.

In today’s op-ed piece titled, “Family of Hate,” John Avlon writes:

“The youngest daughter there, 16-year old Grace-Elizabeth, sports a navy blue “Priests Rape Boys” T-shirt and shuffled around on an Israeli flag. Despite that, she seems uncomfortable while her mother screams beside her. I ask Grace if she wanted to be there. “Oh yes, this is fun,” she gushes. “It’s the best thing we could be doing with our time.”

I asked her sister Megan—who just graduated from Washburn University this spring—what she thought of President Obama. Her eyes lit up. “Oh, he’s the Antichrist,” she says.

I ask for a little more explanation. “Well, he’s against Christ,” she says. Then mom swoops in, talking Deuteronomy and Paul’s second letter to the Thessalonians before veering inevitably to abortion. “Reproductive freedom is a fluffy term for killing babies,” Shirley says. “Obama would support the murder of his grandchildren.”

Speaking of grandchildren, Megan and Grace are the grandkids of Fred Phelps—a Kansas attorney who started their church. They spoke of him prideful tones as a pioneering civil-rights lawyer who just happened to spawn a family of lawyers who are now dedicated to trying to deny civil rights to gays and lesbians. Apparently, a family that hates together stays together. When you’re brought up to hate the world and the world hates you back, it’s a self-reinforcing circuit that only the family can understand.”

How many self-professed Republicans see their party platform in the hate spread by the Phelps family?  The Phelps family protests embody almost everything loathsome about the modern Republican Party.  Is this another area today’s Republicans easily ignore?

fnord

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Evangelicals in Mexico? Watch Out Virgin Mother!

I was accosted tonight by one of the most aggressive door-to-door marketeers I have yet experienced.  She was a young, attractive hispanic woman who had a very noticable accent and she was trying to get me to take various “books” she had, which looked more like Oprah Magazines than anything else.  These books would be given to me for a donation that I would make to help her “school”.  I declined several times and her last pitch was that she wanted to pray with me.  I declined that, too.

As this McClatchy article indicates there has been a troubling time for the Catholic Church in Mexico.  More young people are drawn to evangelical worship services which feature more music and, let’s face it, are more fun.

From the above article: Eduardo Dominguez, a 23-year-old college student who acknowledges the attraction of evangelical Protestantism even though he’s reluctant to sever his ties with the Catholic Church.

Eduardo elaborates:  “I would never change my religion because of the tradition of my family and my culture,” he said, “but as I’ve gotten older I’ve realized there are a lot of things in Catholicism that I don’t agree with. For instance, it’s very conservative, and instead of focusing on God and worship, a lot of things end up becoming political and about money.”

Hey Eduardo, Dude, the Evangelical church got real big in this country the last 8 years and “a lot of things ended up becoming about politics and money.”  Sorry, Dude, you haven’t found a winner, yet…

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Speaking of Ethics: Palin’s woes…

Despite Palin’s claims of frivolous ethics complaints, this Politico note suggests this one may be more of a problem.

The above source indicates:

“An independent investigator has found evidence that Gov. Sarah Palin may have violated ethics laws by accepting private donations to pay her legal debts.”

Say it isn’t so…

iggy donnelly

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Ann Coulter on the Murder of George Tiller, M.D.

These are Ann Coulter’s words on the murder of Abortion doctor, Geroge Tiller:

“I don’t really like to think of it as a murder. It was terminating Tiller in the 203rd trimester.”
“I am personally opposed to shooting abortionists, but I don’t want to impose my moral values on others.”

I have very mixed feelings about giving Ann any coverage.  But I decided we need to see these people for what they really are.

Coulter made these statements on the O’Reilly show.  Read more here.

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Sanford: Emblem of Republican Hypocrisy

An Argentinian hacker exposes Mark Sanford’s emails to his Argentinian female friend.  Sanford believes he will rise from this crisis like King David did in the Bible.  Only problem on this latter front, such a rise never happened.

Read MoDo’s op-ed here.

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