Sunday, 5/14/17, Public Square

'I'm an extremist Christian.'


by | May 14, 2017 · 8:21 am

27 responses to “Sunday, 5/14/17, Public Square

  1. Here’s a thought provoking piece —

    (From the link): The evangelical Christian message is loud and clear. They care for no one but themselves. Their devotion is to the version of Christianity they have created, which calls for ruthless abandonment of immigrants, women, children – even their own – and anyone else who doesn’t fall inline with their message. Social justice, which is mentioned in Bible verses over two thousand times, has been replaced with hard line political ideology. Principle over people. Indifference over involvement. Judgment over generosity.

    Has Evangelical Christianity Become Sociopathic?

    • I know these people from the 1970’s – before Jerry Falwell Sr teamed up with Ronald Reagan to use dirty politics to smear the good name of Jimmy Carter.

      Back in those days – there were a few huge church complexes – but nothing like today. And the number of televangelists is mind boggling.

      The night I listened to a prominent Baptist Preacher Man on national t.v. during the GOP Convention and he justified his support for Trump by saying – sometimes God uses a repulsive man to do his good work. – that was the night I realized it is over.

      In America – the best way to get anything you want – even when it is blatantly evil – is to throw out the words – Praise Jesus or say how awesome Jesus is.

      I know from first hand experience from a job working under a woman who was a Loud-N-Proud Evangelical Christian .

      I dared to confront her when she held a staff meeting and told us that this was a Christian office and if we didn’t like it – there was the door.

      I told her – in front of everyone – that she could not legally say that to us.

      From that moment on – this manager harassed me and kept asking – why do you hate Jesus?

      I responded – I don’t hate Jesus – I just don’t like you.

      Nobody wants to be labeled as a Jesus hater – or to be told you’re going tot Hell for eternity.

      Not everybody is as strong willed, independent and as mouthy as I am.

      Plus – I had a husband with a good paycheck and I could afford to confront this Krazy Kristian and not be devastated by loss of my paycheck.

      Not everybody has that luxury in life – do they?

      That woman made my work life a living hell – so I quit the job. But I sure let the neurosurgeon know the real reasons – and it was not long before she was out of her job.

      But – I was also dealing with a boss that deeply cared about treating his employees with respect and dignity.

      That is what is missing from these so-called White Evangelical Christians that are the core supporters of Trump – they do not give a drop of respect or dignity to anybody that does not look like them, talk like them and hate Obama like they still do.

      • BTW – haven’t you noticed that it is these same White Evangelical Kristians that are the ones screaming they are so persecuted?

        yeah sure…..big eye roll

  2. Rick Liebst

    My libertarian leaning seem to come out often when talking to other Christians. Along with other Republicans, I just doe not seem to have the common sense to remain quiet. I admit sometimes I wish I did, it would make for a lot more pleasant time when I am around them. It happens more often in Bible study. I have found some allies and for the most part do win the arguments. LOL Too stubborn I guess to give up! It might take quoting the most famous Liberal there ever has been Jesus Christ.

  3. When will the mature adults in the Republican Party do their duty and take their party back?

  4. This is from the Wichita Eagle, written by David Brooks (a very ‘conservative’ columnist). I’m copying the entire thing because of the pay wall. I find this an excellent piece!

    “This is what happens when the world is led by a child
    The New York Times

    At certain times Donald Trump has seemed like a budding authoritarian, a corrupt Nixon, a rabble-rousing populist or a big business corporatist.

    But as Trump has settled into his White House role, he has given a series of long interviews, and when you study the transcripts it becomes clear that fundamentally he is none of these things.

    At base, Trump is an infantilist. There are three tasks that most mature adults have sort of figured out by the time they hit 25. Trump has mastered none of them. Immaturity is becoming the dominant note of his presidency, lack of self-control his leitmotif.

    First, most adults have learned to sit still. But mentally, Trump is still a 7-year-old boy who is bouncing around the classroom. Trump’s answers in these interviews are not very long – 200 words at the high end – but he will typically flit through four or five topics before ending up with how unfair the press is to him.

    His inability to focus his attention makes it hard for him to learn and master facts. He is ill informed about his own policies and tramples his own talking points. It makes it hard to control his mouth. On an impulse, he will promise a tax reform when his staff has done little of the actual work.

    Second, most people of drinking age have achieved some accurate sense of themselves, some internal criteria to measure their own merits and demerits. But Trump seems to need perpetual outside approval to stabilize his sense of self, so he is perpetually desperate for approval, telling heroic fabulist tales about himself.

    “In a short period of time I understood everything there was to know about health care,” he told Time. “A lot of the people have said that, some people said it was the single best speech ever made in that chamber,” he told The Associated Press, referring to his joint session speech.

    By Trump’s own account, he knows more about aircraft carrier technology than the Navy. According to his interview with The Economist, he invented the phrase “priming the pump” (even though it was famous by 1933). Trump is not only trying to deceive others. His falsehoods are attempts to build a world in which he can feel good for an instant and comfortably deceive himself.

    He is thus the all-time record-holder of the Dunning-Kruger effect, the phenomenon in which the incompetent person is too incompetent to understand his own incompetence. Trump thought he’d be celebrated for firing James Comey. He thought his press coverage would grow wildly positive once he won the nomination. He is perpetually surprised because reality does not comport with his fantasies.

    Third, by adulthood most people can perceive how others are thinking. For example, they learn subtle arts such as false modesty so they won’t be perceived as obnoxious.

    But Trump seems to have not yet developed a theory of mind. Other people are black boxes that supply either affirmation or disapproval. As a result, he is weirdly transparent. He wants people to love him, so he is constantly telling interviewers that he is widely loved. In Trump’s telling, every meeting was scheduled for 15 minutes but his guests stayed two hours because they liked him so much.

    Which brings us to the reports that Trump betrayed an intelligence source and leaked secrets to his Russian visitors. From all we know so far, Trump didn’t do it because he is a Russian agent, or for any malevolent intent. He did it because he is sloppy, because he lacks all impulse control, and above all because he is a 9-year-old boy desperate for the approval of those he admires.

    The Russian leak story reveals one other thing, the dangerousness of a hollow man.

    Our institutions depend on people who have enough engraved character traits to fulfill their assigned duties. But there is perpetually less to Trump than it appears. When we analyze a president’s utterances we tend to assume that there is some substantive process behind the words, that it’s part of some strategic intent.

    But Trump’s statements don’t necessarily come from anywhere, lead anywhere or have a permanent reality beyond his wish to be liked at any given instant.

    We’ve got this perverse situation in which the vast analytic powers of the entire world are being spent trying to understand a guy whose thoughts are often just six fireflies beeping randomly in a jar.

    “We badly want to understand Trump, to grasp him,” David Roberts writes in Vox. “It might give us some sense of control, or at least an ability to predict what he will do next. But what if there’s nothing to understand? What if there is no there there?”

    And out of that void comes a carelessness that quite possibly betrayed an intelligence source, and endangered a country.”

  5. I’m going to Boston tomorrow morning and won’t return until May 25th. I don’t think I’ll have time to update and maybe not even to participate here. Two active boys will keep me busier than I ever am here at home. 🙂 I’ll be back before you know I’m gone.

    • Have fun my dear friend.

      And please – I don’t want to turn on my t.v. and see a video of you being dragged down the aisle or see you on national t.v. news on how the airline threw you off the plane due to your birthday cake.

      I’m just kidding…..

      Seriously – this is a crazy world we live in today – so please be careful.

      As proof of this crazy world – Trump is the president and everything David Brooks said is true.

      Maybe I need to add one more thing – it’s a SAD and crazy world?

      So -go to Boston and hug those grandkids tight and make a lot of good memories. That is what life is all about – isn’t it?

      • I’ll try to behave. 🙂 Although…

        Yes, these grandsons are too far away so I have a bunch of love all saved up to pass along. There’s a kindergarten graduation to attend, a 6th birthday party, lots of milestones to be part of.

      • We just went to a kindergarten graduation today. Time has gone by so fast.

        Our youngest is 3 and she will be going to preschool this fall.

        Grandma’s house will be so quiet…….

  6. Thunderchild

    The 25th? SOOO much can happen by then. But enjoy your visit! I have no doubt there will continue to be much to talk about. It isn’t just breaking news each day with this….creature. No it is breaking news from minute to minute.
    I am no great fan of James Comey, but one thing I have always suspected is that he does his homework. A HALLMARK of the FBI is that if they can’t get you on what it is you have done wrong, no matter how clever you are or think you are, they WILL get you in trying to cover it up or make it go away.
    Oh we have some compelling TV coming folks.
    Comey was wise to decline testifying in closed session.
    We are going to get it chapter and verse on the corruption and incompetence of this….current resident of the White House.
    And the story of OUR TIME is gonna be, what will the Republicans do? It takes a plurality in the US House and a 2/3 majority in the Senate to impeach a President. The numbers would seem to make that unlikely.
    But….in like 120 days the worst President in history has humiliated himself, his office, his party, his country, and ALL expectations of reason.
    Sticky spot the Republicans are in…..
    heh,heh, heh…
    They bail on him, they lose his crazy base electorally forever and risk violence that may approach civil war. His base is that nuts, and well armed. But if they “hang” with him, well then they likely HANG with him as everey time the child in chief gets away with stupid or illegal it just encourages him to do worse. Hope he grows up? He’s 70. Try desperately to advise him? Word is he considers ANY advice an insult.
    No, if you are a Republican, you are a frog on a hot rock in a vast field of hot rocks. Gonna be so much fun seeing which way or ways they jump!

    • I suspect there will be talk about how to get Mike Pence in there as president.

      Trump’s core supporters are White Evangelical Kristians – and they love Pence. Why not – he is just like them.

      The real problem is – how to do they dump Trump without making a lot of independents angry?

      You raised a good point – Trump lost the Popular Vote by 2.9 million. And if Independents flee the GOP – then the White Evangelical Christians just don’t have the numbers to have a real say in who gets to be dog catcher.

  7. Rick Liebst

    Well lets see.

  8. Rick Liebst

    OK good, it seems that about every other time I tried to post here something went wrong. I am seeing that trump administration is both imploding and exploding. But sadly so are many of my friends and family relations over this too. I had tried to warn them, but it was more taken as a insult to their beliefs or partisanship. Some have even barred me from their Facebook page. But the good fight must continue, eventually they will come back.

    • Relationships are a two-way street – they can come to you just as fast as you go to them.

      There are some family members and friends that are just downright toxic to me. I don’t need to waste my time on that – life is too short for that much drama.

      One cannot choose their family – but they can choose their friends.

  9. Trumpty-Humpty sat on his wall.
    Trumpty-Humpty had a great fall.
    All the King’s GOP elephants
    And all the KIng’s men
    Could not put Trumpty-Humpty together again.

  10. Thunderchild

    My report on the ranters on the right. You know? The radio goons and mindless robots they speak to?
    It took them about 24 hours to develop a strategy in the wake of the child in Chief being proven to have obstructed Justice.
    Spin 1: “Let it go,” didn’t meant stop investigating, it meant let the investigation go on. (Rush Limbaugh) they do not seem to be running with this.
    Take 1: (Also Rush Limbaugh) “The President is master of the Department of Justice. He can end an investigation whenever he deems fit!”
    That one was never going anywhere unless and until they get the Pricktatorship they want…
    Spin 2 “So what if there are contemporaneous memos! All that proves is that Comey feared he would rightly be fired and so began plotting his revenge!” Multiple sources. They are running with this one. They are also running with…
    “Comey is REQUIRED to report such things to the Department of Justice! He didn’t! It is HE who should go to jail!” Well, Comey likely did not report his concerns to Jeff Sessions, knowing he himself had been asked to swear loyalty, he quite rightly would have feared Sessions would not be a fair ear. Comey DID share his concerns with others high in the FBI. Comey does his homework. I doubt he would have put himself in peril. Unlike the child in chief and his lackeys, HE knows better. This one likely goes nowhere either…
    But the one, unifying thing that all of the right is pushing? “You don’t understand, this is not an assault on the ePresident. This is an attack on YOU! This is an attack on your vote. This is an assault on all that is good and the American way! Your President NEEDS you! There is SO much evil against him. YOU must stand strong! You must defend him!
    And while it is trending well among the mindless, this smacks of desperation.

  11. Thunderchild

    Hmmm Mike Pence establishes PAC. SO, folks who think homosexuality and gender issues can be treated by electroshock have a new place to send money to.

    Will the child in chief see it for what it REALLY is? And his master aint even out the door. What do you bet it is Pence gonna hand him his hat?

    • Rick Liebst

      I have said it before, I am more worried about Pence, too much of a lean and hungry look about him. Also not a dumb man, while trump is likely to be shooting himself in the face trying to figure out how the gun works. Pence will be taking a careful aim at what he wants to do.

  12. Rick Liebst

    LOL left Facebook where trump supporters are trying to bring his ego back up. saying how wonderful he is as President and as a human being. Well I had to put my two cents in, ” Oh Don you are so pretty just so so pretty!”.

  13. Rick Liebst

    I finally did get my internet to work with the computer about five minutes ago. Between grandson’s toys in the way and the wires twisted and flayed out like a three years old hooked them up! I knew I should have done it.

  14. Rick Liebst

    MY FAVOR COLOR IS BLUE! There some thing that someone will want to argue about in defense of a color other then blue! LOL…

  15. Thunderchild

    So, the campaign to pump up his insane base is working. I see it too.
    But America will be a different place when the manbaby and, well his entire staff get back from their trip. And that’s assuming they don’t provoke an international incident during it.
    His approval continues to sink. The investigation is not going away and may well hold subpoenas and indictments by their return. My guess is it is his son in law Kushner who is next suspect. That may well make Ivanka complicit. Manbaby continues to embrace Flynn, even though he is likely going to prison.
    In whatever capacity he has to care about anyone but himself now, his family and closest associates are now at risk.
    All bets are off as to what happens next. He DOES have the power turn it all off, just on HIS order. Nixon tried that. It is unlikely little hands knows or has learned anything from history though. So my bet is he will use his power to shut down any and all investigations. And as the noose he makes for himself tightens, who KNOWS what he will do.

  16. Thunderchild

    We have seen the end of O’Reilly. We may soon see the end of Sean Hannity!
    Hannity, an early to mid primaries joiner of the T**** in the primaries, has spent more than the last week engaged in a bizarre conspiracy theory. I will not repeat details and names here, as the story is hurtful to a suffering family. Three hours a day on radio and one hour a night on TV, he has attempted to implicate the Clinton campaign in an unsolved murder. The suffering family of this murdered young man has asked repeatedly that Hannity and others STOP pursuing this, as the politicization of their loss is deeply hurtful to them. Others at FOX news are disgusted and shamed by this. But Hannity insists that he is right and everyone else is wrong. Refusing to honor the wishes of a grieving family, he not only has refused to back down but has doubled down, now insisting that when he is proven right it will ALSO prove that there was no collusion between the T**** campaign and Russia….somehow. Though I cannot begin to guess at his math to that. Even though when 10 people tell you you are drunk, you should probably lay down, he soldiers insanely onward.
    Boycotts of his advertisers are underway. You can find and lend support to them if you like.

  17. fnord –

    • I’m here, I’m here! Thank you!

      I have unpacking, laundry, the usual stuff to catch up on. Good to be home and it was a very good visit!

  18. Fellow PPP bloggers – did you see the news coverage of Obama’s visit to Germany this morning?

    Obama and Angela Merkel are in Berlin – and that crowd that showed up for these two will certainly make a certain bully-boy in the White House very, very jealous.

    OH – OH…….and this Obama/Merkel meeting was on the same day as Trump’s meeting with NATO – of whom Trump has trash-talked for the past year.