Tuesday, 2/21/17, Public Square

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by | February 20, 2017 · 8:19 pm

17 responses to “Tuesday, 2/21/17, Public Square

  1. This is a good piece. I agree with most of it, and it makes me less hopeful. đŸ˜¦

    Don’t Dismiss President Trump’s Attacks on the Media as Mere Stupidity
    http://time.com/4675860/donald-trump-fake-news-attacks/?mc_cid=4c20cfe453&mc_eid=8f0db6cad6

    • I’ve said this several times – Trump is not the problem.

      Trump’s supporters are the real problem. These are the folks who will follow Trump blindly – and it helps to be tone deaf, arrogant and ignorant.

      I keep thinking about Nixon – he was eventually brought down. But – those were the days when majority of Americans were educated and we knew how the government works and the majority of Americans trusted our journalists – newspaper and television anchors.

      I wonder – did the Vietnam War era change all that? When we learned the truth about Vietnam – and then Nixon’s forced resignation – was that the starting point of our destiny to fail as a democracy?

      One big difference between current day and back in Vietnam/Nixon days – social media and technology giving us instant feedback/gratification.

      Have we become desensitized to the point we are incapable of looking up and noticing what is really going on?

      And then our public education system – it has been lacking in teaching the basics of government/civics – and what it means to be an American.

      Last – but not least – our country has become more diverse in cultures, race, economic status (a lot more of the wealthy and lot less middle class and a lot more low income/poor).

      Is this all just the perfect storm about to unleash itself?

      I don’t know the answers – but I’ve got kids and grandkids that will be in the middle of all that storm.

      • BTW – The Vietnam War was the first war to be televised. Those pictures were burned into my memories – perhaps that is why people have become so cynical of the government?

        What about these churches that are now so political ? In my childhood, I don’t remember preachers actually telling their members which candidate to vote for – or in the case of Pat Robertson and Franklin Graham – they are on t.v. spreading their political crap.

        Btu then again – preachers and televangelists were not multi-millionaires – back in those good ol’ days.

      • Back in school history, government, even geography classes were my least favorite. I didn’t pay any more attention than it took to take the tests. I’m not proud of that. I wonder if other school kids were like me? All those topics became real loves later on life. But I’m still not well educated in any of them.

        When I was a kid we had a bunch of kids and not very much money. Before being an adult I had visited Nebraska, Oklahoma and Missouri where we had grandparents and close relatives. I didn’t get as far as Colorado until I was in my 30s. I really didn’t pay much attention to geography outside the U.S. until my children were adults and began traveling abroad.

        History I still suck at. I probably don’t have the knowledge of a high school graduate in history, especially if it’s World History. I may be a tiny bit better at U.S. history.

        Government is the one I know most about, because it’s an interest I feed. I study because I want to.

        All that to say maybe some kids today aren’t as different than the ones like me back then — uninterested and didn’t pay attention by choice.

      • To me, Watergate marks the turning point. Stir in “stagflation” (recall the notorious WIN buttons?), and one sees the beginnings of disinterest, because those with jobs had to work harder and longer to try to stay even “with the board”. A bit simplistic, albeit accurate (imho, of course) explanation.

      • Do you think our expectations of the ‘good life’ has made a big difference?

        I was born in 1953 and my parents had a 3-bedroom house, one-car garage and my father worked a union job which gave my parents the luxury of having the choice for my mother to not have to work outside of the home

        In fact, most of my friends had stay-at-home mothers. We lived in a small suburb – 99% White Christian – and one Jewish family

        Our house was comfortable but no way does it compare to what the average house is in today’s America.

        Up here in Northeast Wichita – the new houses being built just up from me are $350,000 starting price for the basic house (which are very few and far between). The average house up here is now $450,000 to 600,000.

        Who in the hell is making that kind of money to even qualify for those home loans – let alone pay the monthly payments?

        But I’ve noticed – there is nobody outside these houses. No kids out playing, no lights on -are these people so busy working to pay for these houses that they are never home to enjoy it?

        I call those places houses – not homes. A home is where your family and friends are always welcome – even when the place is messy or you’re in the middle of mopping the floor.

        A home is a special place where kids are nurtured, loved and then protected from the outside cruel world until they can sprout their wings to fly on their own.

        I guess that’s why I would never even consider signing a mortgage for a $350,000 to $600,000 house. I would be too nervous and anxious all the time wondering if I was going to ever be able to pay it off.

        I remember these mortgage burning parties when I was growing up. Does anybody else remember these?

        People rarely moved and they did not buy a starter home knowing they would trade up several times in their lifetime.

        Maybe I am just a different kind of fish in this ocean we now call America?

        I value things that may appear to be small in comparison to those fancy , brand new houses.

        But I consider my life a success when my grandkids come to Grandma’s house and they talk about all the memories we’ve made in this modest 3-bedroom house without granite countertops, or a three-car garage with an extra garage for the R.V., boat or jet skis.

        My grandkids are a part of the future of America – and that both excites me and frightens me at the same time.

        We claim to be such a morally superior country filled with family values people – but are we really?

        From what I’ve seen in the past few decades since Reagan – it’s all about MONEY

  2. A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE CONSERVATIVE

    Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised. All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer’s medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance – now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

    In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

    Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn’t think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
    It’s noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FDIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

    Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.

    Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers’ Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification.

    He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to.
    Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn’t mention that the beloved Conservatives have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day.
    Joe agrees: “We don’t need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I’m a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.”

  3. Rick Liebst

    I really do feel for those trump supporters who are suddenly getting their eyes opened. Some with the integrity are actually admitting their mistake and joining in on the chorus. Though I have to admit that some of the posts on my Facebook page. Has the feel of being either a trap or to simulates to get me to respond. One that was on Facebook that I know is geared toward the Fiscal Conservatives. Is about his trips to one of his homes in Florida. Exactly how much it cost for him to fly down there every weekend. At the citizens expense, at the best it just gets some to shake their head.

  4. GSTIR

    When I look at the picture of Trump at the top , it looks to me they put the diaper on the wrong end!

  5. Thunderchild

    The town hall rebellion against cons. It is so reassuring. And I do not think it is going away. This is SO much bigger than that astro-turfed tea party….thing orchestrated by the Kochs. It must continue. And it must begin locally.
    We are thankfully RID of Mike Pompeo locally. I confess I do not know the Democrat candidate in the special election that will replace him. But we must do all we can to support that person.
    Little hands is not wise. He is vain. And in the end, even Bannon will not tell him what to do. His ego will drive him more and more to prove that he is loved. That means more rallies, more spending by the local Governments at those rallies to protect him. He will continue to show no regard for these local concerns. It is all about HIM. Very shortly, the GOP will see this. If we continue to show it to them….

    • I wonder how Pompeo really feels when he hears Trump call his intelligence experts a bunch of liars and losers?

      Seriously – Pompeo is not that stupid to believe all the employees in the CIA are out to get Trump – do you?

      And if you’re the leader of that sorry bunch of liars and losers – wouldn’t you feel a sense of embarrassment – especially when if you do put in all new employees – and they report back with the same intelligence info the previous bunch of liars and losers presented to Trump for months – wouldn’t you just want to QUIT that damn job?

      But then again – I would have had more self respect to not even allow myself to get mixed in with the Trump Bunch in the first place.

      I’ve heard a few political pundits actually say that General Mattis (Mad Dog) and John Kelley (Homeland Security) are both very good men and been in the military forever. They are both said to be strong leaders who will tell ‘Trump back.

      I guess Time will tell on those two – huh?

    • His name is James Thompson. He is a civil rights attorney, a 46-year-old political newcomer and Army veteran. He will run against Ron Estes, Kansas state treasurer since 2011. The election is April 11 — don’t miss it!

  6. This is from Axios, a new news outlet. I heard about it because my grandson Andrew who live in NYC went to work for them, but I am liking what they write.

    Trump’s 2018 play
    The Capitol Hill calendar is way overstuffed — a Supreme Court nomination, plus Obamacare repeal legislation; tax reform; and budget, spending and debt-ceiling fights, including a possible showdown over a government shutdown.

    So Republican sources tell our Jonathan Swan that a backup plan is emerging for one of Trump’s top priorities:

    The plan: Push off until next year any consideration of the massive infrastructure plan Trump wants to push for roads, airports and other big projects, giving Republican lawmakers more breathing room amid a crowd of issues that’ll require massive effort, time and political capital.

    The politics: Republican strategists say that Democrats, who’ll be reluctant to give Trump a win, will be in a jam as midterm elections close in: They’ll be under huge pressure to support big projects that’ll bring money and improvements to their districts. And blue-collar unions, including construction and building trades, can be expected to favor of the package, driving a wedge into the Democratic base.

    What this shows: Trump officials, who originally wanted to flood the Capitol zone with their massive asks, are learning the rhythms of Washington — playing what White House counselor Kellyanne Conway last night called on Fox News “long ball, long haul.”

  7. One more from Axios I found interesting —

    Article of the day
    “I Ignored Trump News for a Week. Here’s What I Learned,” by N.Y. Times “State of the Art” columnist Farhad Manjoo:

    “Coverage of Mr. Trump may eclipse that of any single human being ever.”
    “He has taken up semipermanent residence on every outlet of any kind … He is no longer just the message. In many cases, he has become the medium, the ether through which all other stories flow.”

    “Even when I found non-Trump news, … much of it was interleaved with Trump news, so the overall effect was something like trying to bite into a fruit-and-nut cake without getting any fruit or nuts.”

    “[I]t is likely that no living person in history has ever been as famous as Mr. Trump is right now.”

    Per mediaQuant, “Trump gets about $100 million more in coverage than the next 1,000 famous people put together.”

    “On most days, Mr. Trump is 90 percent of the news on my Twitter and Facebook feeds … But he’s not 90 percent of what’s important in the world. … ISIS is retreating across Iraq and Syria. Brazil seems on the verge of chaos. A large ice shelf in Antarctica is close to full break. Scientists may have discovered a new continent submerged under the ocean near Australia.”

    • And yet Trump still whines that the media is so mean to him.

      I heard a political pundit make an observation the other day.

      At what point in time will the public reach the point of over-saturation of Trump’s name and his obsessive need for media attention?

      We all know about the attention span of the average American – it’s not that long.

      Trump will continue to do what he has been doing – a lot of talking, throwing bombastic tweets and throwing up shiny objects for his Trump Chumps to admire – while never asking him the hard questions.

      But when will the public be so sick and tired of hearing Trump’s name ?

      Will it be soon after they realize there are not manufacturing jobs coming back to America?

      Will it be soon after they realize that Trump is not the Master of the Deal Making – and our allies start doing trade with anybody else – instead of America?

      When will Trump find out that the public is no longer even wanting to hear his name – let alone listen to his whining voice?

      Maybe when Putin shows Trump the exit door because Trump has outlived his usefulness to Mother Russia?