Saturday, 4/16/16, Public Square



by | April 16, 2016 · 8:29 am

9 responses to “Saturday, 4/16/16, Public Square

  1. Asher Bob White

    And, hopefully, destroyed the Republican Establishment’s hold on that party of Capitalism and its destruction of the common good and public interest.

    • indypendent

      But these Republican Establishment folks could not have held that hold without the help of the Kristian Konservatives (I refuse to use the letter ‘C’ for these folks because I believe these folks are not true followers of Christ)

      Let’s not forget – Reagan teamed up with Jerry Falwell and his Immorality Boys in 1980 to get rid of the true Christian in the White House – Jimmy Carter.

      Since 1980 – our country has turned it’s back on We the People and put all our focus and dare I say worshipping(?) to the Corporatization of America.

      Corporations are not intended for the common good and public interest – so why would we expect anything less from them?

      I went on a field trip with my granddaughter’s 4th grade class yesterday. We went to the Kansas State Capital and Kansas History Museum.

      The restored Capital building is beautiful but did you know there is real gold in a lot of that fancy looking restoration?

      Hmmmm……gold in the ceilings and walls but yet our state is broke?

      Now why does that not surprise me?

      • indypendent

        BTW – my daughter-in-law had to keep a close watch on me yesterday as we were taken into the lobby of the Governor’s office.

        When my DIL went around the corner and saw we were headed to the Governor’s office – she told me to brace myself.

        That’s when I remember saying something to the effect that if I saw Governor Sam – that God had better tape my mouth shut.

        I was surrounded by parents that were obviously Republicans (and churchy folks) that gave me a very stern look like I had misbehaved.

        Hey – I’ve got the freedom of speech just like they do…and I intend to use it.

      • indypendent

        FYI – our tour guide was very good and kept it entertaining. Many murals on the walls through the entire building had to be repainted because one group or another objected to this or that.

        Oftentimes it was because of some woman’s breasts were showing too much and this one woman’s dress was too short.


        One of the most famous murals in that building (the one with the too-short dress) was done by an artist who got fed up with all the criticisms and after being forced to make so many changes – he just stopped working and told them to forget it.

        Well – eventually the artist was asked to come back and to finish his mural.

        When the artist did return – he decided to paint in a new little scene within the prairie scene. He added numerous skunks and he put the names of those senators who objected to his previous work on the backs of those skunks. The artist then declared he was finished with the painting and he then refused to sign the painting before he left.

        The story is told that when the news of what this artist had done with the skunks and the names got out – every senator came running down the corridor to see if their name was on the back of one of those skunks.

        NOW that is my kind of artist – get them where it hurts.

  2. indypendent


    This is interesting – and it provides fuel for my political fire about how we are becoming too corporatized around the globe – not just America.

    But does the average American voter even care about this?

    Plus – if WalMart is the largest retailer – tell me again why they cannot pay their employees a living wage?

    • The average American cares naught. And, because Wal-Mart doesn’t pay a “living wage”, it is the world’s largest retailer.

      There are certain relationships between costs and size, which bluntly are, in my experience, immutable. The wages/size one is such a relationship. I am now heading for the shower to clean off the stench of my last comment. And please, think before trotting out the size of the CEO bonus/total compensation argument. A raise of $7 per hour spread over 100,000 employees averaging 20 hours per week costs the corporation $728,000,000 extra per year in wages only. Add employer’s share of FICA, the total costs are $783,692,000. An “over the top” example, perhaps, but instructive. Giving the CEO a $25 million bonus while holding other wages steady saves the company $758,692,000 using my example.

      I am blowing off steam, to be sure. But raising minimum wages from $7.25/hour to $15/hour (which does need to happen) in a situation where large numbers of employees are involved has a significant cost that many folks ignore, or haven’t computed. Thus, my plea to think before arguing “well, look at the CEO compensation, so it can be afforded”; maybe so, maybe not. There’s more to it than just the size of the CEO compensation package.

      • indypendent


        When a corporation lays off thousands of workers and then the CEO gets a 35% increase in pay – that does lend some fuel to the fire for the too-large CEO compensation argument – doersn’t it?

        No matter what the wages are in any given corporation – thjings are not like they were when we were younger – There are not too many jobs waiting around the corner if you don’t like the place you’re at.

        And Walmart can pretty much do whatever the hell they want because – IMHO – free market has been dying a slow death since the Reagan years.

        When I was growing up in the 50’s and 60’s – we had several stores to choose from – mostly Mom and Pop stores.

        And where has that Main Street gone – since Walmart came on the scene and Reagan came in and made it ‘patriotic’ to throw all our taxpayer money towards these corporations – Mom and Pop stores went the way of the Buffalo.

        I don’t hate corporations but I believe we should have a balance of corporations.

        For example – sicne the 2008 taxpayer bailout – Capital One has become the bank with the majority of the credit card business.

        Do you suppose that the taxpayer bailout was used to buy other banks to get even bigger than they were before 2008?

        Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders have both been talking about these bailed out banks are even bigger now.

        Are they correct?

      • indy,
        No, it doesn’t. Really. Look at the scale of total costs for compensation of all who were laid off versus the size of the bonus/salary. In almost every case, the bonus/additional compensation is a fraction, usually well under 50%, of the savings achieved.

        As to the arguments propounded by Senators Warren and Sanders, they are correct.

      • indypendent

        But in the public court of opinion – and appearances – when a CEO gets a 35% pay increase because he just fired thousands of workers, that is rarely seen as a good thing – unless you’re the CEO and/or the stockholders who seem to believe their short-term gain is worth more than keeping thousands of workers on the payroll that then turn around and purchase goods and services to keep our economy going.

        I wonder if that one CEO purchases as much goods and services as those thousands of workers used to do?