Sunday, 4/12/15, Public Square

what will it take


by | April 12, 2015 · 6:00 am

10 responses to “Sunday, 4/12/15, Public Square

  1. (from the link): The move to ban an issue leaves staff at the Board of Commissioners of Public Lands in the unusual position of not being able to speak about how climate change might affect lands it oversees. “Having been on this board for close to 30 years, I’ve never seen such nonsense,” La Follette said in the conference call on Tuesday. He voted against the measure. “We’ve reached the point now where we’re going to try to gag employees from talking about issues. In this case, climate change. That’s as bad as the governor of Florida recently telling his staff that they could not use the words ‘climate change.’”

    For Some Wisconsin State Workers, ‘Climate Change’ Isn’t Something You Can Talk About
    Even answering e-mails about global warming is out

  2. According to ALL the news this is the day Hillary Clinton announces a run for the presidential election of 2016. I was one of those people who didn’t think she would run. I am also one of those people who eyes her as too much a war hawk. But she is the smartest, the most experienced, the absolute ‘head and shoulders above’ anyone else who is said to even be considering a run. She has baggage, a bunch of it totally undeserved and without merit, but it’s there.

    Now let’s face facts. Here is the number one fact to concentrate on:


    Those are the ages that Supreme Court Justices Stephen Breyer, Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy and Ruth Bader Ginsberg will be when the next president is sworn in, respectively. The next president we elect (assuming he or she serves two terms) could very well be the individual who selects four Supreme Court Justices.

    Liberals might not like hearing this, but it’s going to be Hillary Clinton or a Republican in 2016. It really breaks down to these two options:

    Either get on board with Hillary Clinton, even if she’s not everything you’ve dreamed of.

    — or –

    Whine and cry because Elizabeth Warren isn’t going to run, become apathetic, then let Republicans win the White House in 2016; likely replace four Supreme Court Justices over the following 8 years; start a war with Iran; ruin the planet; destroy our economy again; and undo all the good that’s been done these last 6 years.

    Yes, it’s really that simple.

    The question is, would you rather have a candidate who supports 60-70 percent of what you support, or almost none of it?

    And spare me this, “I’ll vote for an independent because Americans need to move away from the two-party, corrupt system that’s ruining this country” nonsense. Look, if you want to waste a vote based on principles, that’s your choice. I’m telling all of those people right now, Republicans won‘t. In fact, Republicans are hoping that’s exactly what many liberals and independents will do.

    The system is what it is and it’s unlikely to ever change. We’ve mostly been a two-party system since the founding of this nation, and definitely have been for the last century and a half. While some liberals will go off and pout in a corner, pointlessly carrying on about how their wasted vote is a “stance against a system they don’t support,” you know what Republicans will be doing? Voting for Republicans and destroying this country.

    It all goes back to one simple fact: If liberals don’t want to get behind whomever is the Democratic candidate for president in 2016, then a Republican is going to occupy the White House after President Obama. This isn’t me trying to sensationalize anything or using hyperbole, I’m just telling you the truth.

    Even if we break this down to its simplest form, ignoring any mention of who is or isn’t running for president, then the question really comes down to: Who do you want potentially replacing four Supreme Court Justices in the next 8 to 10 years – a Democrat who supports same-sex marriage, abortion rights, health care and the separation of church and state, or a Republican who opposes all of that and then some?

  3. prairiepond

    It’s all very scary, Fnord. The voting percentage record of liberals and Democrats is low and getting lower. I don’t know if it is discouragement or something deeper, but we have to get our people to the polls, as your post so aptly states. I am a huge Hillary supporter. Always have been, always will be. I worry though that she just won’t generate the enthusiasm needed to get our people to the polls. We are all just damn tired. Outrage fatigue, Obama fatigue, Clinton fatigue, etc. It’s critical for SCOTUS that we all suck it up, one more time, to get over this hurdle in history. Otherwise?

    I don’t even want to think about otherwise….

    • It’s always so good to hear from you! I miss you bunches!

      I wish I had answers. Like you, I don’t want to even think about what will be if we don’t actually get the vote out. A theocracy isn’t a good form of government!

      • prairiepond

        I miss you too, Fnord, and everyone here. I read, but I just don’t seem to have much to say anymore. For those who know me, I know it’s a shock. 🙂 If my aging truck will make it, it may be time for a visit soon. Perhaps a face to face with my good pals would get the words flowing again!

      • Prairie Pond – I finally got to meet fnord and 6176 face to face – now it’s YOUR turn..

        And R.D. and his wife – if he is reading this..

        Of course, Bob is in Florida – so maybe he can plan to be in Kansas ??

        Maybe when all these rains and stormy weather are over – and before summer turns HOTTER than Hell – we can all plan to get together

  4. G-Stir

    I just wonder how much longer we “common people” will have access to any voting?

    I also wonder if the Americans for Koch Prosperity will ever elevate Kobach to the national scene and let him work his “magic” there?

    • I wonder with you, G. Even if we think we’re voting, will our votes be counted? I’m definitely not feeling any confidence in that!

      • I’ve got grown kids that feel their votes don’t count.

        And when you factor in that these kids grew up in the Reagan years – do you blame them for feeling they have no say in their future?