Wednesday, 1/14/15, Public Square

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by | January 14, 2015 · 6:00 am

16 responses to “Wednesday, 1/14/15, Public Square

    • Warriors can be people forced into being what they would never choose. Back to that old worn out scenario I’ve too often described about the war machines being driven into your neighborhood, parked at the curb in front of your house, the well-armed army climbing from them… Yes, you would do what had to be done to protect your family, your home. And maybe no one would have ever been seen as an enemy if there had been some communication, some understanding gained on both sides.

      • Asher Bob White

        We must never forget nor diminish all those who were drafted to fight for “their country”: much different than fighting for your family (loved ones). Most often, those actually doing the fighting are not representative of the wealthy and powerful elite in any empire, like ours.

      • Agreed 100% – I would like to see Congress pass the law that requires each Senator and House Representative to send their own loved one(s) into any war they vote to wage.

  1. I keep trying to explain to people that not every one of a faith is the same. And that even within a faith there are those who stand against the vary same things that people of other faiths and of no faith would stand against.

    • It seems less and less likely today that anyone is going to listen to a different viewpoint, let alone find any merit in it.

      I include myself! I admit that I’ve never felt interested in listening to any person who begins by insulting me. I do have conversations with people holding differing opinions and I do learn from them. Those who begin by telling me what a “dim” I am (and worse!) aren’t likely to be heard. Their hate will need to be dispensed to someone else.

      We’ve chosen sides and the ‘other side’ often sounds so very ridiculous we tune it out. It really is true that those who know the least know it the loudest. They all too often drown out those who may think the same or similar, are interested in the ‘other side’ but are able to be rational.

      • I fully confess that I have a problem with certain Fundy Evangelical ‘churchies’.

        But, if you had attended and graduated from the Fundy Baptist College in Chattanooga, Tennessee that I did – you would probably feel the same way I do.

        I am very cynical – as I’ve also confessed – but I think this is what keeps me sane – when it comes to dealing with self-righteous and pious people.

  2. Rioters destroying property, injuries and gunfire reported, police needing to use tear gas to control the violent crowds. Clearly, middle and upper-middle class white people pose a serious social problem in America today.

    Goal post torn down, 89 fires set after Ohio State’s national title win
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-ohio-state-fan-reaction-20150113-story.html

    One Tweet Shows the Hypocrisy of America’s Reaction to White People Rioting at Ohio State
    http://mic.com/articles/108372/one-tweet-shows-the-hypocrisy-of-america-s-reaction-to-white-people-rioting-at-ohio-state

  3. (from the link): If he was running for president in such a crowded field, odds are that he probably wouldn’t win — and, thus, neither would his ideas. But now that he’s forsworn any interest in the presidency while making clear he’s going to really use the power of the House Ways and Means Committee, no Republican will be able to win and govern without adopting Ryan’s ideas.

    Paul Ryan isn’t running for president. He’s after something even bigger.
    http://www.vox.com/2015/1/14/7537371/paul-ryan-presidential-run

  4. Look what the republican-dominated U.S. House is doing!

    Get that legislation going — the farther right the better. Those ‘illegals’ need to know republicans are NOT going to cut them any slack or make any welcoming moves! Get busy doing what it takes to deport undocumented workers who thought they were in the clear due to President Obama’s actions.

    Remember that without a funding bill passed by BOTH houses of Congress and signed by the president, the Department of Homeland Security will be unfunded as of February 27th. Maybe republicans can shut down that part of the government and play politics with security. A partial government shutdown would show that intruder in the White House who is in charge!

    Ignore the possibility of filibusters in the Senate and veto threats because voters will see exactly what republicans stand for and exactly what happens when republicans are given control of both chambers!

    [eye roll]

    House GOP vote to gut immigration actions
    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/house-gop-vote-gut-immigration-actions

    • Here’s a bit of what Ronald Reagan had to say on this subject —

      “I supported this bill. I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and who have lived here even though sometime back they may have entered illegally.”.
      Oct. 21, 1984 debate on immigration bill being considered by Congress.

      “We have consistently supported a legalization program which is both generous to the alien and fair to the countless thousands of people throughout the world who seek legally to come to America. The legalization provisions in this act will go far to improve the lives of a class of individuals who now must hide in the shadows, without access to many of the benefits of a free and open society. Very soon many of these men and women will be able to step into the sunlight and, ultimately, if they choose, they may become Americans.”.
      Nov. 6, 1986 signing statement, Immigration Reform and Control Act.

      Ronald Reagan calls for an open border with Mexico, 1980.

      • I believe Reagan supported open border with Mexico so that more and more corporations could exploit the cheap labor.

        Reagan was never a friend to any person who had less money – or happened to have been born with a different color skin – than Reagan’s wealthy donors…

  5. Jim Wright at Stonekettle Station always makes a bunch of sense in my opinion. We should all remember the media presents what they want us to hear — nothing more, nothing less. Let’s leave it to Fox viewers to be radicals to pass along exaggerations and down-right lies. The rest of us should stay as well informed as possible and always question. We could follow the good example of President Obama by remaining calm and not reacting without adequate information and confirmation of facts.

    Deja Vu all over again:

    “… other information suggests the Paris attacks may actually represent a new and dangerous collaboration between radical Islamist groups.”

    “Other information.”

    “MAY represent…”

    “Some ‘experts’…”

    “A former CIA analyst…”

    The ‘other information’ isn’t described or sourced. The experts aren’t identified or credentialed. The former ‘analyst’ who wrote the article could have been a senior field agent who specialized in Belize or stolen cars, or he might have been the intern who cleans the coffee cups in the gift shop at Langley. “Analyst” is a bullshit title that means exactly nothing. His area of expertise isn’t described nor is his education, experience, or time in service listed – and nowadays he’s a paid shill for a conservative “think tank.” I.e. the standard issue news media “expert.”

    So, to sum up: An article from an agenda driven source which makes its money from hysterical doomsaying and written by a mercenary with unknown expertise based on unidentified sources and unverified data that is mostly unofficial guessing on the part of the news media, speculates that the terrorist attacks in France are the work of a vaguely described and purely hypothetical collaboration between some shadowy organizations that might if they exist prove President Obama is some kind of something something alien reptile in a rubber human suit something something vague hand waving something something foreign policy something something radical Islamic terrorism something something another 911 OMFG OOK OOK RUN FOR YOUR LIVES EVERYBODY!

    Now, if they can work in some yellow cake uranium and a touch of Sarin war gas, Jeb Bush can invade Iraq again come 2016 and they’ll be cheering us in the streets of Baghdad!

    https://www.facebook.com/Stonekettle?fref=nf

    • Maybe Georgie W. wants to go back to Iraq and recover something he lost?

      IMHO – Dignity, credibility, honesty and integrity are something GWB never had in the first place – so how could ever recover those?