Sunday, 1/11/15, Public Square

money and speech



by | January 11, 2015 · 6:00 am

12 responses to “Sunday, 1/11/15, Public Square

  1. Yes, hate begets hate and violence begets violence. Some 20th century historians have remarked that it was surprising Nazism arose in Germany and not in France. The French right is already fairly strong, so it isn’t far-fetched to imagine that the goal of these attacks was to drive a wedge between white and brown Frenchmen. Another great read —

    (from the link): “Al-Qaeda wants to mentally colonize French Muslims, but faces a wall of disinterest. But if it can get non-Muslim French to be beastly to ethnic Muslims on the grounds that they are Muslims, it can start creating a common political identity around grievance against discrimination.”

    Sharpening Contradictions: Why al-Qaeda attacked Satirists in Paris

    • Perhaps one motive for such terrorist acts as the horrors in Paris is the terrorists’ desire, as radical extremist fundamentalist Muslims, to lock the entire religious community of Islam into their corner. They want to generate, among other things, not only fear and terror but heated attacks on Islam; they hope that those attacks will drive most Muslims into their own camp out of rhetorical self-defense against Islamophobia. So if we indulge in reflexive anger, hatred, and denunciation of Islam, we give the terrorists what they want…. Do we want to do that? Something to think about. — Richard B. Bernstein

  2. Speaking to today’s header, Robert Reich posted on his Facebook page —

    Just did “ABC This Week,” and I’m struck once again by how focused TV news is on the political game – who’s up, who’s down – rather than the underlying substance. Everyone wanted to talk about Romney versus Jeb Bush for the Republican nomination. But the real issue is both men are the picks of the Republican establishment – just as Hillary Clinton is the pick of the Democratic establishment. And both parties’ establishments are centered in many of the same corporate boardrooms and big Wall Street banks — at the very time in the nation’s history when big corporations and Wall Street have more political power than ever, and when inequality of income, wealth, and opportunity continue to widen notwithstanding an improved jobs market.

    So the big question that ought be discussed is whether Jeb or Hillary will respond to the deep frustrations of the middle class and the poor with real proposals and genuine mobilization and – if they don’t – who or what will fill the growing political vacuum?

    Some of the responses to his post are interesting too.

  3. ASLAN: “Well, first of all, let’s be clear that every single organization, major organization, Muslim organization throughout the world and in the United States, every prominent individual, be it political or religious leaders, everyone has condemned, not just this attack, but every attack that occurs in the name of Islam. Anyone who keeps saying that we need to hear the moderate voice of Islam. Why aren’t Muslims denouncing these violent attacks doesn’t own Google. But that said, I do think that we do need to do a better job of providing a counter-narrative. What really I think puts an obstacle in the way is opinions like Ayaan [Hirsi Ali]’s and so many others in the political and the media mainstream who continue to say that 1.7 billion people are responsible for the actions of these extremists. That doesn’t help the fight against radicalism. The answer to Islamic violence is Islamic peace. The answer to Islamic bigotry is Islamic pluralism, and so that’s why I put the onus on the Muslim community, but I also recognize that that work is being done, that the voice of condemnation is deafening and if you don’t hear it you’re not listening.”

    Reza Aslan: Anyone Who Asks Why Muslims Aren’t Denouncing Attacks “Doesn’t Own Google”

  4. Mitch McConnell: The Obama administration “refuses to call these attacks what they are.”

    Fox’s Megyn Kelly: “Do you think that there’s a conscious decision to not link this kind of terrorist action with that type of motivation despite the cries of ‘Allahu Akbar’ and reports that the terrorists were saying the prophet Mohammed has been avenged?”

    Mitch McConnell in response: “What else can you conclude? You’re entirely correct. They refuse to call these attacks what they are. To call it something else strikes me as being politically correct to a fault.”

    One problem with your observation, Mitch. Here’s President Obama’s FIRST public statement regarding the Charlie Hebdo attack: “I strongly condemn the horrific shooting at the offices of Charlie Hebdo magazine in Paris that has reportedly killed twelve people. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims of this TERRORIST attack and the people of France at this difficult time. France is America’s oldest ally, and has stood shoulder to shoulder with the United States in the fight against TERRORISTS who threaten our shared security and the world. Time and again, the French people have stood up for the universal values that generations of our people have defended. France, and the great city of Paris where this outrageous attack took place, offer the world a timeless example that will endure well beyond the hateful vision of these killers. We are in touch with French officials and I have directed my Administration to provide any assistance needed to help bring these TERRORISTS to justice.”

    Terrorist. Terrorist. Terrorists. Which part of that did you miss?

    Watching Fox News is the equivalent of listening to the paranoid homeless guy on the corner, the one that smells like cat piss and thinks he’s Jesus Christ.

    • Can I borrow your line about he smells like cat piss and thinks he’s Jesus Christ?

      NOW – that made my day….

      On a serious note – Foxxies in the Hen House Cluck Fest have to keep up this demonization of Obama being a secret Muslim and that he hates America – because this is how they make all those millions and billions in profits.

      Money before people? Hell – money before the truth also.

    • Again – Rupert Murdoch has to stay the course with his anti-Muslim rants because this old fart knows that his targeted audience on Foxxies Hen House Cluck Fest eat this crap up like it’s cotton candy.

  5. Tell me the difference between these Fundy Evangelical Christians sending their kids to Jesus Camp to learn how to be good soldiers for God and these Muslims sending their kids to learn how to be good soldiers for their Allah?

    There is no difference – because the end result is the fact folks have already tainted the future of our world by instilling their own fear-driven religion into the minds of young kids.

    When babies are born – they don’t know what hate or religion is – these are two things that are learned….