Wednesday, 11/5/14, Public Square




by | November 5, 2014 · 6:00 am

33 responses to “Wednesday, 11/5/14, Public Square

  1. Yesterday’s elections certainly didn’t turn out the way I hoped, and I’m sorely disappointed. Now, I wish them well. All of us will be affected by their actions and inaction, by their triumphs and defeats.

    We get to see how Brownback and his majority, now large enough to pass constitutional amendments without being impeded, carry out the bidding of their corporate masters. A change in how judges are selected might be one priority. Do we kiss Medicare goodbye? Will health care be available only to those deemed deserving? Will a fetus need a photo ID before they’re issued their concealed carry license? Will we have a full-blown church built at the capitol, with only altars in the smaller towns? Will there be a script and timetable for worship? Will pregnant women need to be ‘isolated’ so they can be properly observed to ensure the protection of the fetus? How long will it take to eliminate public schools or at least change them to ensure children learn only what the masters want them to know?

    I think most of the changes will happen at the state level. I’m not convinced the republicans controlling both the U.S. House and Senate will help them know how to govern. Democrats can place secret holds and engage in filibusters same as Republicans. Gridlock will continue. Republicans will spend their time and our money investigating, lynching impeaching the president and blaming democrats for everything they can’t get done. The goal of congressional republicans will remain putting the black man in the White House in his place.

    That’s how it works. You win some. You lose some. I wish them well.

    • As history as shown – once Republicans feel they have full control, they will do exactly as they please – and there will be a backlash.

      Just give it time – because I do think a Republican win in 2014 will most assuredly set the stage for our first female president.

      Only one problem really remains – will our country be able to survive the 2 years between now and 2016 election?

    • Never give up the fight!

  2. An editorial from the New York Times —

    Negativity Wins the Senate
    NOVEMBER 5, 2014

    Republicans would like the country to believe that they took control of the Senate on Tuesday by advocating a strong, appealing agenda of job creation, tax reform and spending cuts. But, in reality, they did nothing of the sort.

    Even the voters who supported Republican candidates would have a hard time explaining what their choices are going to do. That’s because virtually every Republican candidate campaigned on only one thing: what they called the failure of President Obama. In speech after speech, ad after ad, they relentlessly linked their Democratic opponent to the president and vowed that they would put an end to everything they say the public hates about his administration. On Tuesday morning, the Republican National Committee released a series of get-out-the-vote images showing Mr. Obama and Democratic Senate candidates next to this message: “If you’re not a voter, you can’t stop Obama.”

    The most important promises that winning Republicans made were negative in nature. They will repeal health care reform. They will roll back new regulations on banks and Wall Street. They will stop the Obama administration’s plans to curb coal emissions and reform immigration and invest in education.

    Campaigning on pure negativity isn’t surprising for a party that has governed that way since Mr. Obama was first sworn in. By creating an environment where every initiative is opposed and nothing gets done, Republicans helped engineer the president’s image as weak and ineffectual. Mitch McConnell, who will be the Senate’s new majority leader, vowed in 2009 to create “an inventory of losses” to damage Mr. Obama for precisely the results achieved on Tuesday.

    Mr. McConnell was assisted in this goal by the president’s own second-term stumbles — most notably the disastrous rollout of the Affordable Care Act last year, an indecisive foreign policy, and revelations of domestic surveillance and improper veterans care. Republicans were also able to exploit nativist fears about immigrant children crossing at the southern border and some initial troubles in responding to the first domestic cases of Ebola.

    In some races, missteps by the Democrats helped Republicans. In Iowa, Representative Bruce Braley may have cost himself the race by making a belittling comment about farmers. In Kentucky, Alison Lundergan Grimes didn’t establish a reputation for candor when she refused to discuss her previous votes for president.

    Virtually all Democratic candidates distanced themselves from Mr. Obama and refused to make the case that there has been substantial progress on jobs and economic growth under this administration.

    But Republicans also had little to say about reviving the economy, and their idea of creating jobs seems to be limited to building the Keystone XL oil pipeline, cutting taxes further and crying “repeal Obamacare” at every opportunity.

    In theory, full control of Congress might give Republicans an incentive to reach compromise with Mr. Obama because they will need to show that they can govern rather than obstruct. They might, for example, be able to find agreement on a free-trade agreement with Pacific nations.

    But their caucuses in the Senate and the House will be more conservative than before, and many winning candidates will feel obliged to live up to their promises of obstruction. Mr. McConnell has already committed himself to opposing a minimum-wage increase, fighting regulations on carbon emissions and repealing the health law.

    “Just because we have a two-party system doesn’t mean we have to be in perpetual conflict,” Mr. McConnell said in his victory speech. As the new Senate leader, he must now prove those are not empty words.

    • How many ’empty words’ has McConnell made in his political career?

      This is what most politicians do – they lie, cheat, steal and then get offended when they get caught.

      The entire political system is corrupted…..IMHO

  3. Yesterday’s election results prove one thing – people really are S-T-U-P-I-D.

    Many do not think for themselves and they do not want to be bothered with the true facts. They want to W-I-N… any costs.

    And let’s put this into perspective – midterm elections are usually those voters who are engaged and know what their voting (or lack of voting) truly means.

    This is the problem – our turnout of voters in this country is sad….

    Unfortunately, because of that fact, certain folks interpret the results as their mission from God when they win.

    No – it just means that everybody did not vote……God had nothing to do with it.

    • Those who ?think? God had anything to do with this really have a low opinion of God.

      They’ll keep on blaming the black guy with every ounce of hatred in their so-called christian minds. When Social Security is threatened, when millions lose their health care, when minimum wage earners who voted republican are starving and need food stamps, when they send their babies off to another war in the desert that can’t be won, when their 15 year old daughter gets knocked up because she had no access to birth control and the church didn’t save her, when congress is gridlocked into endless impeachment hearings and cannot do anything else who will they blame? The black guy, of course!

      Here’s a piece that details the republican plan —

      How Republicans Conned The American People Into Giving Them Control Of The Senate

  4. This is good (as always)! From Jim Wright at Stonekettle Station:

    (from the link): If you want to see what a Republican led majority looks like, look to the House. They can’t even agree on the stuff they agree on.

    The Balance of Power

    • I just had another idea –

      What if this is exactly what the Democrats secretly wished for?

      Like we’ve all said at one time or another – Republicans cannot govern.

      Republicans are very good at beating every church-pew warmer into voting in every election.

      Republicans are very good at starting wars – using other peoples’ money and other peoples’ loved ones to do the actual fighting and dying.

      BUT – Republicans have not been very good at governing this country. The last Republican president that actually balanced the budget and was in power when America’s middle class was growing and thriving was Dwight Eisenhower.

      Eisenhower must be rolling in his grave at what has become of the Republican Party.

  5. Not everyone loves what their parents post on social media, but for Rand Paul this could be a huge liability.

    Ron Paul’s tweets tonight show why he’s a big liability for Rand Paul in 2016

    • Sad to say – Ron Paul is 100% correct.

      Who did not know these midterm elections was really about sending boots on the ground over in the sand-filled Hell Holes so Republican Evangelical Christians can have their Holy War?

      And Neo-Cons can, once again, start their world domination through military strength with the stupidity of the Evangelical Christians?

  6. I just had an idea…

    What is Obama resigned as president – and then Joe Biden would be president.

    But what if Biden resigned – who would that leave to be president?

    The Speaker of the House – then we would see exactly who is running the Republican Party. Would they keep Johnny Boehner in the White House?


    And THEN – what if there was a huge movement of people who just stopped paying their mortgages, credit cards and stopped buying all the foreign-made corporate crappola?

    THEN – those same people in the movement could claim the highest number of dependents on their W-4 form so their paychecks would be higher and the actual taxes they pay into the government would be lower.

    THEN – what would these Republicans do who have told us over and over as to how great they are at governing our country?

    If the housing and credit cards go under – we all know what that means from the days of George W. Bush and the economy crash in 2008.

    I have come to the conclusion that it is going to take a drastic thing to happen within our own country’s borders before the majority of Americans wake up from their corporate-induced coma of designer coffee, blinged-out cell phones and the 24/7 diet of stupid t.v. reality shows.

    Republicans always threatened with an armed revolution. Why use all those guns when We the People have a much greater power – our money.

    After all – Republicans – especially those Fake Christian ones – worship money above all else.

    Without money – we’ll see what these Republicans really do….

  7. Now that Republicans are back in the driver’s seat – I want to see them round up all these illegals and deport them.

    I want this accomplished in two weeks – that should be enough time for all these Republicans to show how great they are……..

    As for Social Security being threatened – once that hits home to the Tea Party folks that is THEIR money that is being threatened….I suspect Republicans will back off that promise…….

    As for Medicare being threatened – again – that hits home to all the white older folks – and the corporations that make obscene profits off Medicare.

    The old folks may not have much to say but the corporations will have a lot to say to these Republicans if they dare to cut Medicare payments.

    And the worse health care corporation – IMHO – is the damn Catholics. These folks are the ones with the huge gold statue of Jesus hanging on their wall but these are also the folks who think it is their right to harass and tell a woman to divorce her husband, quit her job so she can go on welfare just so they can get paid her portion of her health care bill for 29 days in the hospital. And this woman’s insurance company had already paid them $168,000 – these damn Catholics wanted the $2,000 woman’s portion and they wanted it NOW….

    Yeah – tell me again – how charitable these damn Catholics are……I don’t believe one damn word they say…..

    • BTW – that woman was gutted like a fish to have a foot of her colon removed because of the cancer.

      This woman also had two drainage bags hanging from her side.

      This woman also had many months of chemotherapy awaiting her.

      This woman had the gray color of a fireplace filled with ashes – and the harassment calls from the Catholic Health Care Mafia started the day after this woman was discharged from their hospital after a 29-day stay.

      So ….excuse me if I get very angry, frustrated and cynical when it comes to the Catholics.

      That woman was ME seven years ago..

      I will NEVER forget how I was treated…….by these so-called ‘religious folks’.

  8. Hi Guys!

    So… would everyone who agrees with me, that the Kansas Democratic Party can’t find their asses with a map, a flashlight and both hands, please step forward?

    Jesus wept.

    • Hi there Prairie Pond…..

      We all know you’re correct – but I was almost hopeful this time around.

      One thing this election did do was to get my grown kids to vote. This is the generation that has become so disillusioned – IMHO

      How are things going for you?

      • Hi Indy! Oh hell, everything is the same out here. I hope things are going better for you and yours.

        I saw this morning that the twentysomething and thirtysomething voter turnout was abysmal across the nation. I also saw that the youth vote in Kansas went to pastor sam.

        Good for your kids. It’s too bad most of their peers are not the same. Young voters don’t turn out unless there is a reason. The DNC and the KDP failed to make the case to them that there were many good reasons to turn out and pull the D lever.

        Hell, the DNC and the KDP failed to make the case to ANY voters. Why the hell are these people still in leadership positions in the party. Are they also on the koch payroll?

        Bring back Howard Dean, please. And put a sane and energetic person at the head of the KDP.

        Yeah, I know. I’m dreaming.

        All I can say is, this shit would have never happened on Hillary’s watch! We need Democrats with at least a hint of killer instinct.

  9. I mean, for crying out loud. The KDP could not beat Brownback? They couldn’t find a better candidate than Paul “milquetoast” Davis?

    I said when Sebelius was in office she would leave the state with no “bench” of Democrats ready to step up and run for office. I was right, and the proof? Four words. Tom Holland. Paul Davis.

    These are the best people the KDP can run? Sebelius did nothing to build the Democratic brand in Kansas, did nothing to recruit people to run for office in the future, and now we are reaping the rewards.

    Joan Wagnon, if you have any honor at all, fall on your sword and resign as KDP chair. Let someone with real political and people skills take over the party.

    I mean, for phuck’s sake, they didn’t beat Jan freaking PAULS!

    Sometimes I wonder if pastor sam controls the KDP as well as the Ks GOP. It’s as if he picks our candidates for us….

  10. One of many reasons I have not been around here much is that I’ve been campaigning. Yes, I was part of these failed campaigns. So, I’ve been in on some of the slicing and dicing of data today.

    Note, Paul Davis did not carry one county west of Manhattan.

    Former Gov. John Carlin, one of my heroes, has been saying at campaign events that he won by not giving up on western Kansas and digging out every vote here he could. It carried him through a close re-election for a second term. He spent lots of time out here trying to drum up support for Davis, but Davis himself? Not so much.

    The Davis campaign ignored everyone in the west except for Hays. Our good friend TW has said many times you can’t win statewide office without winning the Big First. And yet, Davis ignored the Big First and the result was he didn’t win one county west of Manhattan.

    I guess you can buy them books and send them to school but you can’t force them to be smart. Or as Ron White says, “you can’t fix stupid.”

    • PP, good to read your thoughts.

      At some point in the future, winning the Big First will not be a condition precedent to winning statewide office. Not true now, obviously.

      • Hey 617! You may be right, but even farther in the future, if depopulation continues, the Big First will be the ONLY congressional district in Kansas. It’s territory just gets larger. KC and Wichita will hold out longer, but sooner or later, the Big First will eat up the rest of the state and will include one or the other of those cities. Then, it won’t be the rural areas that determine outcomes in the Big First, but the Big First will still control outcomes in KS.

        Just speculation of course….

      • You’re quite right for the more distant future.

  11. Reposted without comment. I’m trying to find that promised rainbow behind this dark cloud. Somehow I can’t even move my head to politics at the national level as I’m too devastated by politics at the state level. I know how much damage we’ve already seen in Brownbackistan and I’m certainly concerned for our future. I miss my Pollyanna attitude! From a friend of a friend —

    Folks, for lots of us the midterm elections were a slap in the face with a dead fish. Lots of us fell in love with early polls and anticipatory poll numbers. Lots of us now are damning our fellow citizens with abandon. I’ve been through too many electoral disappointments to let this one sour me on democracy, on this country, or on my fellow citizens. I’m sticking with Harry Truman’s wisdom, which reminds us that sooner or later the American people do see through political fraudmeisters (my word, not his) — and that sometimes it’s later rather than sooner.

    Now the GOP has to govern; they can’t take shelter behind “the politics of no” after January. And, however astonishing their electoral victories might be in the cold light of day, they also don’t have veto-proof majorities in EITHER house of Congress. That also means that they don’t have the ability to amend the Constitution at will either, because they don’t have the needed supermajorities in either house of Congress or in the needed three-fourths of the states.

    Then again, neither do we. So let’s set aside our fantasies of amending the Constitution to get rid of this or that odious Court decision, and let’s also set aside our fantasies of politics as LORD OF THE RINGS in which the other side are orcs, demons, of Sauron, fit only for destruction.

    Let’s remember Lincoln’s sage counsel about how we are all citizens of this country and how we have to live together, work together, and — yes — govern together.

    Let’s be strong and of good courage, and gear up for 2016, while keeping our calm between now and then.

    • Personally, when I am feeling devastated due to national election results I always take myself back to when the results of the 2000 presidential election finally came in via SCOTUS. I often remind myself that we survived the presidency of George W. Bush. That’s a feat I didn’t think possible, and even tho we’re still feeling the disastrous effects, we did survive!

      This is a sample of the many counter-balance responses to above —

      Fraudmeisters – good word! I like your post, but isn’t it even the tiniest bit demoralizing that the Dems take their losses with a ‘let’s work together’ attitude, while the Repubs dedicate themselves to years of coordinated sabotage?


      Do remember that Lincoln’s sage counsel came from Lincoln – how can you compare him with the Congressional members of his party today? The President, by nature and training a seeker of consensus, tried that, only to find that the Congressional Republicans had no intention of even trying to work with him. They were quite open about that from the beginning. All I see ahead is paralysis and unrestrained venom. This is not, of course, all that unusual for the last midterm election of a presidency. We’ve gotten through these things before. We will again.


      We can sit back and suck lollipops and it will go downhill anyway. The Republicans and big money are making that a definite.


      That thinking is what allowed a pliable citizenry to support the rise of Hitler and blindly allow the slaughter of 12 million people. The Kochs (who have genuine Nazi ancestors) may not build modern-day concentration camps, but they don’t need to when they can simply do away with Welfare and food stamps and Social Security and Medicare and fair housing laws and universal health care until millions are literally on the streets and dead.

  12. This one from the Maddow Blog brought a much-needed smile to my face!

    (snip from the link): Elections have consequences? Republicans have spent the last two years insisting otherwise. It’s laughable for GOP officials to change their mind and declare, “Mandates only exist when we win.”

    What’s more, the obvious question for those arguing that Republicans have a mandate this morning is simple: “A mandate to do what, exactly?”

    A win? Yes. A mandate? No.

  13. Since we have no other choice – we will simply have to sit back and watch what these Republicans do for the next two years.

    And if I am correct in what I think these folks will do – I suspect their ineptness to govern will soon come with a big tidal wave of ass-whooping in 2016 – similar to what happened to the Democrats yesterday.

    And seriously – isn’t this the pattern in our political history? Midterm elections are generally those in which the minority party does well…

    I think back to the Newt Gingrich Republican days when they rolled out their Contract ON America.

    There was much applause and the cheerleaders were out bouncing their pom poms to the tune of Yankee Doodle Dandy – but what really happened during that time?

    Newt got his ass handed to him when he lost his coveted job – speaker of the house.

    And the lasting effect from those days was a bad taste in the mouth of a lot of Americans from Republicans who overstepped their boundaries and went to damn far.

    Now – the majority of the Republican Party is made up of a lot more Crazy Ass Tea Party and Evagnelinuts – these folks do tend to grate on peoples’ nerves the wrong way.

    At some point – these Republidcans will show their butts to the country and once again – they will be tossed aside much like Newt and his Gang were shown the door…

    • Bottom line – the average American expects their problems to be instantly resolved – and with no active participation on their part.

      And when that does not happen – they are ready to throw out the baby with the bath water.

      Nobody wants to work anymore to get things done……and God forbid if the resolution would require someone to actually pay taxes in order to pay for those benefits they receive from the government.

  14. I, for one, plan to continually contact each and every Republican to live up to the promises they made on the campaign.

    BTW – I have YET to hear from Mike Pompeo. It’s time for me to contact him again. If he wonders why, I can always recite his printed statement on his form letter I received – he welcomes my comments.

    Okay – Pompeo – now Is the time to prove that you really do ‘welcome my comments’.

  15. LOL I express to Harry Reid my concerns about the Koch Brothers and he said he knew… Then asked me for a donation!