Tuesday, 3/18/14, Public Square


The conservative distortion campaign against Obamacare has been so widespread that there is confusion over what it even is. 


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57 responses to “Tuesday, 3/18/14, Public Square

  1. Have you ever tried to tell one of these CONservative Republicans that even when in uninsured person goes to the hospital emergency room (the highest form of routine health care) – everybody gets hit with higher prices?

    It just does not get through their thick skull.

    And when any of these CONS say the uninsured should not be treated at the hospital emergency room – I ask them if they know which president signed legislation making it a mandatory thing for hospitals to treat everyone.

    I always get this blank look……(we’ve all seen that look, haven’t we?)

    Does anyone here remember who that president was?

    • http://www.salon.com/2012/07/05/reagans_healthcare_mandate/


      I do wish these CONS would pick up a history book and learn a few facts

    • No, they don’t understand — they don’t want to because they don’t care. You see, republicans have a need to be ‘better than.’ They are better than people who don’t have health insurance (plus a long list of others). Health care isn’t provided at emergency rooms. You get emergency care only. There’s a BIG difference.

      • “republicans have a need to be ‘better than.’ ”

        Indeed. That’s why they hate gays and brown people and poor people and non-christians, and… well, the list goes on.

        They love to hate people who are other because that makes them “better than” as Fnord said.

        Jesus wept.

      • I agree 100%..

        The sad fact is – the emergency room has become the routine health care doctor for a lot of folks ever since Reagan left our country in a sad, sorry shape ….IMHO

        I’ve known people who go to the emergency room for a rash, a cold and when they have kids – the likelihood of these folks going to the emergency room goes even higher.

        CONs seem to have this idea that uninsured people just do not exist.

        In what alternate universe do these CONS live?

      • BTW – these Evanglinuts seem to have this insatiable need to be ‘better than’ – what else could explain those long lines of sheeple waiting to buy an overpriced deep-fried chicken sandwich just to prove how much they love their Jesus and hate homosexuals?

      • Hell, Indy. If I could explain the chicken sandwich thing, I’d be rich. But I’m not, and I can’t….

      • There is no logical explanation for the damn chicken sandwich thing.

        I have come to the conclusion that if and when I do understand the way these Evangelinuts think – that would make me ‘one of them’.

        Who the Hell wants or needs that?

  2. Bottom line about Obamacare – there would have been no need for health care reform if the insurance companies would have done the right thing in the first place.

    One thing that has not been addressed are higher prices for health care.

    Before the Catholics bought out my doctor’s office – my office visit cost $89.

    The same office visit now is $147.

    My question is – did health care reform raise that price or are the Catholics gouging again?

    From my past dealings with Catholics and their health care – I suspect it is their gouging..

    BTW – with that higher cost for a routine office visit comes less time with the doctor and a whole lot caring on their part. The doctor is physically out of breath every time I have seen him since the Catholics took over…..

    Dr. has told me ‘they keep me running all the time’.

    Hmmm……..because your life matters is what their television ads state – correct?

    Yeah, my life matters so much to these Catholics that my doctor cannot spend more than 3-5 minutes with me.

    I truly feel the only reason ‘my life matters’ is because they need me breathing in order to bill my insurance …..for their lovely profit..

    • correction: whole lot LESS caring on their part….

      P.S. – since Catholics took over – when I call into the doctor’s office, I get on their automated phone message merry-go-round…

      Sometimes I get a live person to answer the damn phone……and sometimes I simply give up and try to call back – in hopes of getting a new spot on their never ending merry-go-round.

      • The only time I don’t have trouble getting through to Catholics is when I call their billing department.

        BUT – when I asked for a payment plan, I was told emphatically that they prefer 3 months total time – and I told them I prefer 6 months.

        Wesley Hospital – a for-profit hospital – will give payment plan for up to 2 years – without any backtalk…

        NOT the damn Catholics – they want their money N-O-W….

    • I think a lot of businesses in health care are taking this ACA transition time as a good opportunity to raise prices whether the new prices are justified or not. They are uncertain about the future, so they just decided to git while the gittin’ was good.

      • There are certainly a lot more paying customers in health care now – that’s for sure.

        Wouldn’t you think CONservative Republicans would be thrilled to get all that extra money?

        Oh wait, they don’t like Obamacare because it is government health care.

        Oh wait, Medicare is also government health care – but I don’t see any of the Tea Party Mad Haters giving up their Medicare – do you?

      • Obamacare is NOT government health care. It is still insurance bought through insurance companies. Yes, there are government regulations that improve the insurance coverage. But stupid conservatives are against government regulations too. It’s fine with them that companies pollute drinking water, soil where food is grown, that fertilizer plants blow up and kill people… Without those damn government regulations those private companies could MAKE MORE MONEY and since that’s way more important than safety… There just isn’t any way to understand that kind of stupidity, greed and lack of responsibility.

      • We all know CONservatives are not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree.

        But – these folks do know how to get their sheeple base riled up and foaming at the mouth.

        We all know that Obamacare is not health care – it is a way to purchase health insurance from for-profit health insurance companies.

        But……CONS do not want Obamacare to be successful because these folks want to make Obama look bad and fail. CONs also do not care who gets hurt in the process of their demonization of Obama.

        And then these folks expect us to be stupid enough to believe they are the patriotic ones?

        Oh Bull Shit…

  3. I often think when I check my e-mail about reposting here to show the crap you get when you are a Republican. Racist, moronic and in denial of any sense of reality. Though I do enjoy coming back with pointing out facts and how they must think that Republicans are all racist and so stupid that they think that the world will in because this it s the first time there is a Democrat in the white house!
    And of course that religious freedom is dying in a country where new churches are being build and you can not go more the a couple of block with out seeing a church of some fashion.

    The most common response I get is that I am in denial, I come back with “well I knew one of us was.”

    • “end” not “in” my mind is getting faster it is just that my eyes do not always keep up with what my fingers are doing! LOL

    • “well I knew one of us was.”


      Reminds me of they saying “all the world is crazy except for me and thee and I’m not too damn sure about thee!”

  4. Lady Liberals —

    A few years ago my best friend & I were talking about politics and her 6 year old daughter kept interrupting to get attention (as kids do). Finally her mom told her to hush because we were busy talking. She sighed in exasperation and said, “Well what are you talking about?!”

    I turned to her and said, “Well honey, let me explain it to you. There are two general kinds of groups who want to run the country and make the rules we all live by. One group thinks that rich people are more important than other people and that poor people don’t need any help. They don’t care about making the earth better by protecting the air & water from companies that pollute everything and they like making war with other countries all the time.
    “The other group thinks everyone should be treated equally – rich or not – and that the poor should get some help. They want to protect the earth from the polluters, and they like to talk to other countries to work things out instead of fighting them.

    “Which group do you think should be in charge?” I asked

    She threw her arms up in the air and said, “Well DUH! The second group! Can we go play now?”

    So, even a 6 year old can figure it out.

    • I see the rich and think – how many taxpayers did it take to make you rich – old fat boy…

      • I have absolutely no problem with people getting rich if and when they use their own money to do so….

        But how many of these fat cats have gotten rich the old fashioned way – by hard work and no handouts from that government they profess to hate so much.

        Republicans do not really care about how much money the government spends – they only want to control WHO gets that money..

  5. Here’s some investigative journalism!

    (from the link):

    In this story, we define the Koch network as including 12 nonprofits active in 2012 — 11 social welfare nonprofits and one trade association. These nonprofits all shared the same attributes: They used LLCs, installed Koch allies at the helm and hired the same set of lawyers. (We did not include think tanks, foundations or other charities, nor the like-minded groups that are funded by the Kochs.)

    Officials with Koch Industries and groups in the Koch network did not respond to calls or written questions from ProPublica.

    So what’s a TOHE?

    You would think you could go to the Internal Revenue Service web site, punch in the magic letters, and get an answer. But that’s not how it works.

    Disregarded entities cannot be searched by name because their tax returns are filed as part of their parent nonprofit, which of course is exactly what you don’t know.

    As of 2012,all 12 Koch network groups had offshoots known as “disregarded entities” — LLCs that are “owned” by their parent nonprofits and are considered part of them for tax purposes.

    Who Controls the Kochs’ Political Network? ASMI, SLAH and TOHE

    Obscure limited liability companies have ultimate say over the Koch network’s nonprofits, which spend hundreds of millions of dollars to advance conservative causes.

  6. Economic inequality has been growing for a long time, and one reason is that our tax system — not the most exciting issue but important nonetheless — plays favorites with the likes of Wall Street bankers and loaded inheritors like the Kardashians. Here’s how that works —


  7. (from the link): Car dealers fear Tesla. In states across the country, powerful car dealer associations have lobbied to ensure the electric car maker and its direct-sales model are kept out. This movement claimed another victory this week when New Jersey banned Tesla stores in the state.

    On the surface, the fear is hard to fathom. In New Jersey, for instance, sales of Tesla’s $70,000 Model S reportedly number in the hundreds. But if you dig a little deeper, it becomes obvious why dealers are worried. They don’t just fear Tesla’s cars. They fear Tesla’s plan to create a world where you never have to bring your car into the shop again.

    Car Dealers Are Terrified of Tesla’s Plan to Eliminate Oil Changes

    • http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/223/electric-car-timeline.html
      Interesting reading…..

      If CONS are so worried about Russia – then why don’t they get behind the movement for America to become self independent on alternative energy sources?

      Oh, what am I saying?

      CONS do not care about Russia – these are the folks that truly believe if we just drop a bunch of bombs over Russia – that Putin will shake in his boots at how powerful (and macho) the Americans are.

      Bottom line – making sure the oil companies get even more wealthy at the taxpayers’ expense is more important than any patriotic or even good common sense in trying to ensure America’s future by not being a slave to the oil teat.

  8. Your boss is NOT your doctor!

  9. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/18/2014-illinois-primary_n_4985782.html

    As I am a native of Illinois – I will be watching the results of this primary election. In reading this article, one might think that only the Democratic governors have been convicted of wrongdoing.

    Oh, Hell No. I remember some Republican governors who were just as corrupt and if I remember correctly, some of them landed in the big house – just like Rod Blagovevich (sp?)

    As for that one voter saying that all the taxpayer money goes to Chicago and the crumbs are left for everything south of there – Hell, that was always the case when I was growing up in Illinois.

    And half of that time – we had Republican governors…..so what’s new?

    As for the unions being the bad guys – have these folks looked around at these corporate churches lately? There is one place where one could find a new source of tax revenue.

    It’s way past time to tax these corporate churches – IMHO.

    At least make them pay real estate taxes on all that prime real estate they buy up and then build those ugly mega monuments they call their campus.

    • Take notice that the Republican guy has spent $6 million of his own money to win a primary for the chance to go up against the current governor

      There is something very wrong in our political world. The amount of money that is spent by folks just to get a job that pays very little when compared to the huge sums of money being spent to get said job.

      Americans are in love with the competition – or the reality t.v. mindset? – when it comes to our elections.

      Can you imagine how much good that guy’s $6 million could have done if he put it towards creating living wage jobs for people?

      Nah, he would rather burn it like toilet paper strewn around for his campaign – and this is just the primary. Who the hell knows what the real campaign will cost….

  10. Asher Bob White

    I’m still “reading” along with all of you, and I want each of you to have a great day.

  11. Here’s a suggestion to fix uninsured, homelessness, hunger and maybe even creating a few jobs – let’s make each one of these churches ‘adopt’ as many people as they can and they will be responsible to meet the needs of their adoptees.

    I wonder how many of these mega churches will jump at the chance?

    Let’s see how many of these places put their money where their big mouths are….

    Jesus went out and walked in the midst of the hungry, poor, homeless and sick. Jesus healed them without demanding payment or to see a valid insurance card.

    Jesus fed people when they were hungry. Jesus stopped the others from stoning a woman because she was allegedly a prostitute.

    Damn…Jesus even raised one man from the dead. Imagine if Jesus had gotten the patent on that particular skill – he would have made a fortune.

    But Jesus did not do that – did he? He gave freely of his love and concern for others.

    These so-called followers of Jesus we see today are a way far off from the Jesus path – IMHO

    • BTW – when Catholics brag about how much charity they give – ask them one question.
      Where do you get the money to run your charity programs?

      Hint: federal programs and grants. My hairdresser is a Catholic and she has often said – Catholics do have charity programs – but if you will notice, they never use their own money. They always look for government funding…..

      Via Christi Hope is an example – this is a program that helps people with their health care.

      Okay, that is true. But guess where most of their funding comes from?

      You guessed it – federal government that they profess to hate so much.

      Isn’t it ironic that the federal government is not stomping on their ‘religious freedom’ when it pays the Catholics to run their charity programs.

      But the minute President Obama seeks to make access to birth control pills easier – all Hell breaks loose and these same Catholics are smearing Obama’s name.

      These folks make me think about how the snake will always turn around and bite you…just because they can..

  12. Ladies and Gentlemen,

    Here we have the republican base —

    • Wouldn’t that be – turban?

      fnord – I found this interesting when I just now finished typing my post and saw your picture

      Maybe #6 on that t-shirt should read – Not be an Irish Catholic.

      Then….do you think Paul Ryan might get the message?

  13. Joan Walsh of ‘Salon’ was on Rev Al Sharpton’s show last night.

    They were talking about Paul Ryan and his budget going after those on food stamps.

    Rev Al stated the statistics that 45% of those on food stamps are children. 9% are elderly and 10% are disabled adults.

    Sharpton asked why Paul Ryan and fellow Republicans would go after these vulnerable people – sometimes calling food stamp welfare queens as being lazy, drunks and druggies. And with the GOP thinking that some people are not worthy of help from the majority.

    Joan Walsh brought up an interesting point. After stating that she believes Republicans just don’t care (which I agree with her 100%) – Joan also made the comment that Paul Ryan is a proud Irish Catholic.

    There was once a time in our history when all Irish Catholics were seen as lazy and drunks. Irish Catholics were looked down on in our society as ‘those people’ who were not worthy of any helping hand.

    Joan Walsh made the comment that Paul Ryan – of all people – should understand how people are treated badly just because of their circumstances – or which population group they fall into.

    I had never thought about that – Paul Ryan does brag about his Irish Catholic roots – doesn’t he?

    Maybe Paul should be given a taste of how his ancestors were treated…….would be fun to watch, huh?

    • Time started for these republican whacked out evangelinuts on January 20, 2009.

      • The destruction of our middle class started when Ronald Reagan was sworn in and we saw how his deal with Iran panned out – when those hostages were released the minute he was in power – remember?

        I knew right then at that moment – Reagan was a snake in the grass – IMHO
        But, these ignorant Republicans actually believe the Iranians released those hostages because of how tough and macho Reagan was.

        Yeah, sure, big eye roll.

        I rather suspect Ronnie made a deal with the Iranian Devil at that moment and her did it with the pure intention of gaining power and running the middle class Americans out of existence.

        But, what do I know?

        I’m just a little woman that was taught by the Fundy Baptists to wear a pretty hair bow to keep my husband at home…..

        I’ve NEVER worn a damn hair bow….and I’ve married to the same man for 37 years.

        Kinda blows their theory all to Hell – doesn’t it?

    • I loves me some Joan Walsh! She needs her own show.

    • Are republicans still planning to base the 2014 midterms on opposition to Obamacare? Period. That’s their only plan? It really does seem their lies aren’t working as well even now, six months in advance of that election. Maybe this plan will be exactly like their ‘autopsy of the 2012 election,’ merely words that have no actions behind them.

      • Evangelinuts are driving the Grand Old Party – so empty words with no actions behind them is their method of operation – isn’t it?

      • Yes. Plus they chose what they wanted to believe and ignore anything else. Their numbers aren’t strong, and dominated by old white men.

  14. Reason and spirit, in harmony. When you’re smart enough to know that you don’t know everything.

    • The Republican-controlled House passed legislation on Thursday to force President Barack Obama to crack down on states that have legalized marijuana in any form.

      Introduced by Reps. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), Jim Gerlach (R-Pa.) and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), the ENFORCE the Law Act (H.R. 4138) would allow the House or the Senate to sue the president for “failure to faithfully execute federal laws,” including those related to immigration, health care and marijuana

      • Well let’s see that bill pass the Senate and be signed into law by the president.

      • But…wait a minute…..Republicans are always yammering about states rights….aren’t they?

        These states put legalization of marijuana on the ballot and the people in their state voted in favor of it…

        Why do Republicans want to stomp on the Will of the People?

      • I know, I know…..this is just another attempt to make Obama look bad.

        Don’t you just wish these fools would work as hard as they do to make Obama look bad on solving some real problems – like creating those jobs these same GOP fools promised in 2010?

        It’s been 4 years fools – WHERE are those jobs???