Monday, 12/9/13, Public Square

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by | December 9, 2013 · 6:00 am

14 responses to “Monday, 12/9/13, Public Square

  1. Republicans need sensitivity training on how to talk to women so they can get the women to vote them in to pass their bad policies that are anti-women?

    Welcome to the New and Dumbdowned America…

  2. In answer to above cartoon header – Florida Congressman Alan Grayson summed it up the best as to the GOP Healthcare plan –

    1) Don’t get sick.

    2) If you do get sick, Die quickly

    • R.D. Liebst

      Ok I generally can depend on Congressman Grayson to say what comes to my mind. In this case is was the quote from scrooge about the poor ” They should die quickly and rid of the excess population!”.

    • wicked

      Under Dubya, I always said the Bush Healthcare Plan was – Don’t get sick. Alan Grayson has taken that to the next step. Unfortunately, he’s right. The GOP doesn’t care if people eat or starve, live or die. As long as money keeps getting stuffed in their pockets as they sell their votes to the highest bidder, it’s all good…for them.

  3. Happy Zappadan

    We’ve discussed many times how the rise in income inequality and the war on the poor started with St. Ronnie Ray Gun. So… in honor of that thought and how it relates to today’s graphic, here’s today’s Frank Zappa words of wisdom.

    “Let’s not be too tough on our own ignorance. It’s the thing that makes America great. If America weren’t incomparably ignorant, how could we have tolerated the last eight years?”
    — Frank Zappa, in 1988


    “The last election just laid the foundation of the next 500 years of Dark Ages.
    — Frank Zappa, in 1981

    I couldn’t find any Zappa music I wanted to post today. He just doesn’t have much out there that isn’t an hour long. So, how about a couple of music quotations?

    There are more love songs than anything else. If songs could make you do something we’d all love one another.
    — Frank Zappa, quoted from Cyber Nation’s quotations section

    I wrote a song about dental floss but did anyone’s teeth get cleaner?
    — Frank Zappa, Senate Hearing on “Porn Rock”, 1985, in response to Tipper Gore’s allegations that music incites people towards deviant behavior, or influences their behavior in general

    • I firmly believe most people would fit right into a religion based on the 10 rules above! I do have lots of confidence in most people’s basic goodness!

      Here’s a map from the 2010 census showing the largest religious groups in each country of the U.S. Kansas is one of three states with the largest amount of diversity.

      • wicked

        Well, I’ve always been diverse. 😀 It would be a waste of time to try to pigeonhole me into any religion. They all have good points, but they also have bad ones. I like to pick and choose and make up my own mind. I’m stubborn that way.

        But, yes, those 10 are the essence of the good of all. Or simply good people. That’s what we have here.

  4. Sorry this is so long, I couldn’t figure a way to ‘link’ to it and wanted to share.


    My Five Favorite Types of Republican Voter:

    Being in this business, I’ve had countless debates with many types of Republicans. Well, I say “many” based on the number of Republicans, not really the different types of Republicans. Generally, each type says basically the same things. The sad reality is all I have to do is turn on Fox News and/or listen to Rush Limbaugh and I pretty much know what your average conservative voter is going to say.

    So I thought I’d list my 5 favorite types of Republican voter:

    1) The Birther:
    We’ve all dealt with these. The ones that honestly believe President Obama somehow faked a birth announcement and two different forms of his birth certificate. Oh, and fooled every federal agency which conducts background checks on politicians. Even though this myth has been debunked countless times, no amount of facts deters their belief that President Obama is a Kenyan, not an American. They also seem to ignore the fact that his mother was an American, therefore making him an American. These are also the people who seem to believe being Muslim is an ethnicity instead of a religion.
    Ironically, these are also some of the biggest supporters of Texas Senator Ted Cruz — someone who was undoubtedly born in Canada.

    2) The “Constitutionalist” Who Hates Our Constitution:
    These are the people who essentially cling to three parts of our Constitution:
    – Freedom of religion (though they interpret this as the freedom to force their religion on others)
    – Second Amendment gun rights
    – Tenth Amendment states rights

    And even within their rabid support for these three areas, they tend to completely warp them for their own personal beliefs. Freedom of religion really only means freedom of religion for their religion, no others. If you don’t wish to follow a religion – too bad. They want to interject religion into public policy and force it on you anyway.

    With the Second Amendment, they completely ignore what life was like in the late-1700′s when armed militias were vital for the defense of our nation’s borders. And they almost always ignore the entire first part that talks about the Second Amendment being meant for a “well regulated militia.” To them, the term “well regulated” has no meaning in our Second Amendment.

    Then the Tenth Amendment is almost always the argument used when conservative-controlled states seek to violate other parts of our Constitution. It was the argument made by pro-slavery advocates, the argument made against desegregation and it’s the argument being made against giving same-sex couples equal rights.
    These are also the people who often talk about how much they love our Constitution, until it doesn’t support what they want — then they’re the first ones to talk about secession.
    Real “patriotic” of them.

    3) Pro-lifers:
    The ones who seem to only believe that life exists inside of a womb. Their only basis for being “pro-life” consists of an opposition to abortion (which is a Constitutionally-protected right as determined by our Supreme Court). Yet, once that child is born, they’re also the same people supporting politicians who cut programs that help poor children get food and health care — all while pushing for deep cuts to education spending as well.
    These are also some of the biggest pro-death penalty people, which is quite ironic. Nothing quite like being “pro-life” while bragging about how often your state uses the death penalty.
    Oh, and let’s not forget how quick they are to support sending our military to war, such as the war in Iraq where over 4,000 Americans died as well as tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

    Like I said, the only time they’re “pro-life” is when you’re talking about an unborn fetus. After it’s left the womb, “pro-life” goes right out the window.

    4) Living on Government Assistance, While Judging Others Who Rely on Government Assistance:

    I always find it funny when I talk to someone who uses Medicare and lives off Social Security, then complains about how the government can’t do anything right and they don’t need the government in their lives.
    You can go ahead and include the people who are on welfare, “because they’ve earned it,” while judging others who are on the same programs that they are as “lazy moochers” who need to get a job.

    These are also the same people who fail to realize that public roads; Interstate Highways; public schools; traffic signals; our military; clean public water; safe food inspected by the FDA; the police department; the fire department and the FAA — all depend on the government.

    You know, “socialism.”

    5) The Republican Voter Who Blames Democrats for Problems Caused by Republicans:
    These are the people who believe President Obama has really added more to our national debt than every other president in United States history. They’re also the ones who deny President Clinton balanced the budget, or give the credit to the Republican Congress — even though that same Republican Congress destroyed our budget as soon as Bush got into office.

    They’re also the ones who believe President Obama was in office when the Great Recession began. They also really believe our economy — despite adding 8 million jobs and having record-setting stock markets — has gotten worse under President Obama. You know, the guy who took over in January of 2009 when we were losing hundreds of thousands of jobs every month.

    When deficits are mentioned, they tag Obama with the massive deficit we saw in 2009 — that was actually passed in 2008 under George W. Bush.
    When nothing gets done in Washington, they don’t blame the House Republicans who refuse to vote on bipartisan pieces of legislation sent from the Senate, or the Senate Republicans who have set records for the use of the filibuster to obstruct progress in the Senate. Nope — all the blame rests with President Obama and Democrats.
    Who cares if Democrats control 2 of the 3 branches of government, Republicans should call all the shots, right?

    These are also the people who seem to think elections don’t matter. Who cares if Obama was overwhelmingly re-elected by the American people? He should still do exactly what the minority in Washington wants him to do.

    Then when Republicans refuse to compromise (“negotiating” is not asking for things that were deal breakers prior to negotiations, then complaining that the other side is unreasonable) it’s not Republicans who won’t compromise — it’s the Democrats.
    I honestly could have listed many others, but I’ll go ahead and cut it off there.
    But please, tell me I’m not alone here. Have you dealt with these kinds of Republican voters?

    Via @Occupy Democrats

  5. I need to start slowly and get in shape for this challenge!

    “Imagine there is a bank that credits your account each morning with $86,400. It carries over no balance from day to day. Every evening the bank deletes whatever part of the balance you failed to use during the day. What would you do? Draw out every cent, of course? Each of us has such a bank. Its name is time. Every morning, it credits you with 86,400 seconds. Every night it writes off as lost, whatever of this you have failed to invest to a good purpose. It carries over no balance. It allows no over draft. Each day it opens a new account for you. Each night it burns the remains of the day. If you fail to use the day’s deposits, the loss is yours. There is no drawing against “tomorrow.” You must live in the present on today’s deposits. Invest it so as to get from it the utmost in health, happiness and success. The clock is running. Make the most of today.”

    • Thank you ….my ever optimistic friend….for giving me something to think about – and help me to strive to make a daily conscious decision to make the most out of my 86,400 seconds.

  6. wicked

    I hate to turn this into a downspin, especially after fnord’s great post above. And maybe it isn’t a downer, but might also be taken as a shove in the right direction.

    We’re all old enough to remember the 1980s. See if anything rings a bell, and then go to the link and read the rest. (Yes, it’s Michael Moore, but who cares who wrote it? It’s spot on.

    From time to time, someone under 30 will ask me, “When did this all begin, America’s downward slide?” They say they’ve heard of a time when working people could raise a family and send the kids to college on just one parent’s income (and that college in states like California and New York was almost free). That anyone who wanted a decent paying job could get one. That people only worked five days a week, eight hours a day, got the whole weekend off and had a paid vacation every summer. That many jobs were union jobs, from baggers at the grocery store to the guy painting your house, and this meant that no matter how “lowly” your job was you had guarantees of a pension, occasional raises, health insurance and someone to stick up for you if you were unfairly treated.

    Young people have heard of this mythical time — but it was no myth, it was real. And when they ask, “When did this all end?”, I say, “It ended on this day: August 5th, 1981.”

    The Day the Middle Class Died