Saturday, 9/7/13, Public Square

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by | September 7, 2013 · 6:00 am

15 responses to “Saturday, 9/7/13, Public Square

  1. The red line of chemical weapons.

    Last year President Obama said he would consider the use of chemical arms during Syria’s civil war a “red line” that, if crossed, would require American action.

    Since the First World War there have been fewer than a dozen wars or acts of terrorism involving chemical arms. The first was in April of 1987 when Saddam Hussein asked his first cousin General Ali Hassan al-Majid to clear out Kurdish villages. The gassing campaigns lasted two years and killed thousands of people. The Administration of Ronald Reagan stood by as “Chemical Ali” waged his campaign against the Kurds. Before chemical weapons were used in Syria On August 21, the most recent such attack was in 1995 when sarin gas was released into Tokyo’s subway because an insane cult leader, Aum Shinrikyo, thought mass killings would hurry the apocalypse.

    Gas weapons can’t be aimed to spare innocents. Gases travel with the wind. Children and bystanders are killed, and those that don’t die immediately experience prolonged suffering. The environment is contaminated with poisons.

    Since the Second World War governments and armies have stopped using weapons that don’t distinguish between soldiers and civilians. There are international laws and treaties that form the red line President Obama spoke about. It is the world’s red line. Our president is following the laws and rules of not just our country but of the world’s governments. Assad’s forces have already killed tens of thousands of civilians with conventional weapons, but chemical warfare is a step beyond.

    Will a failure to enforce the world’s red line change the way wars are fought?

    I say anytime an insane dictator is in charge and has access they will use whatever is available to murder whoever they think needs to be eliminated. I think it doesn’t matter whether Assad’s actions are ignored or he is slapped on the wrist. He is insane. Plus, this civil war in Syria doesn’t have clear lines of who is a soldier and who isn’t, and there aren’t leaders of armies being held accountable for where the soldiers under their command aim their weapons.

    I’m not so naive to think we have very many congress critters who will vote for or against America acting on the red line Assad crossed for reasons other than political. I know that what it takes for many of the “conservative” congress critters to finally be against actions of war is this man, Barack Hussein Obama. This man who must be opposed. This man who is too different to even be considered legal to hold the office of POTUS.

    This isn’t about a red line set by the world. This is about this man who is president. And, just maybe, also about the fact that some conservatives realize their future is dim, their numbers low, their plans or solutions non existent and their chances of winning at the national level dire unless something changes. If they can only get rid of this guy maybe they have a better chance.

    • These are really stewpid people doing the voting on whether or not America acts in Syria’s civil war. Before President Obama asked Congress to weigh in they were screaming from the rooftops that they must, that only Congress could make such a decision according to The U.S. Constitution. The same people are now screaming to the rooftops that Obama is a yellow-bellied (fill in the blank) who is too weak to make a decision. The republicans prove what we’ve talked about since this president was first elected — for them, time began on January 20, 2009.

      They have no memory that for decades the war-making powers of Congress have been ignored by presidents of both parties. Last week during the hearings I heard one of them arguing about how Ronald Reagan wouldn’t have been such a weenie because she has zero memory of Reagan deciding to tolerate Saddam’s depravities which taught future dictators the value of chemical warfare. This idiot (Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen) was arguing in a public hearing televised to everyone that Reagan stood up to Saddam and didn’t need help in making his decision. They’re all over the map in their hypocrisy and they make zero sense. They know no history, have no ability to think critically and the only thing they concentrate on is their hatred of President Obama.

      I leave you who have intact memories and a knowledge of history with this quote from Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.), the former chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. Reagan invaded Grenada without telling Congress he intended to do so; he bombed Libya without congressional approval or consultation; and he illegally sold over 1,000 missiles to Iran to finance an illegal war in Nicaragua, but he certainly did not stand up to Saddam when he used chemical weapons against his own people.

      “It is against the norms of international standards and to let something like this go unanswered, I think will weaken our resolve. I — I know that President Reagan would have never let this happen. He would stand up to this. And President Obama — the only reason he is consulting with Congress, he wants to blame somebody for his lack of resolve. We have to think like President Reagan would do and he would say chemical use is unacceptable.”

  2. Watching the Politics show I am so reminded of “How stupid are you… How stupid do you want me to be? Wit the daily changing of talking points and the mindless pabulum being fed, The only thing certain is that there is an assumption that either people don’t listen or they are just that stupid?

    • Good to read you, RD! You’ve been missed!

      These politicians are who we elect to represent us. How could we conclude anything different than: People don’t listen and they are just that stupid?

    • Ditto – I’ve missed you also.

      Whenever I hear the news lately, I think of you R.D. – just how stupid do these people think we are?

  3. This is a good read. It contains a little history and discusses where we are now when you reflect back on that history.

    Obama’s history-defying decision to seek congressional approval on Syria
    http://news.yahoo.com/obama-s-history-defying-decision-to-seek-congressional-approval-on-syria-143201825.html

  4. Reagan also gave weapons to Iran….but who on the Conservative Republican side has admitted that?

    N-O-B-O-D-Y……that’s who.

    The GOP has become a party of bullies, thugs, cheaters and liars.

    There, I said it.

    And I’ll say it again…

    Bullies – Thugs- Cheaters and Liars

    • The war Obama really needs to wage is on the GOP – and take no prisoners.

      I am sick and tired of these self-righteous, sanctimonius, pious and lying P.O.S.’s getting away with all their crappola.

      It’s time to fight fire with fire…….and in my personal opinion – it is going to take the WOMEN to get fed up, take charge and show these GOPPERS that we are half of this nation and WE do not want their damn war to kill OUR family members.

      I am getting old……and I have another grandchild on the way ……why the hell would I NOT want to fight to ‘ take my country back’ to some sense of sanity?

  5. What do you think of this statement by Robert Reich?

    “The driving force behind the folly of bombing Syria is Secretary of State John Kerry. I’m told Chuck Hegel has strong reservations, as do the Pentagon’s top generals. But Kerry has no reservations at all, and has convinced the President to stake much of his second-term presidency on it. Why? It’s possible, of course, that Kerry honestly believes that a punitive military strike against Assad is necessary, and that the benefits of such a strike would outweigh the potential costs. But I suspect something else is going on. Kerry is an intelligent man, but he has a fatal flaw. He craves the limelight. He wants to be in the center of the action and attention. Over the years I heard again and again from his Senate colleagues that Kerry grandstanded and wanted all the credit, said things that would get him on the evening news, pushed too fast and too far in order to make his mark. Recently he seemed to be making progress getting the Israelis and Palestinians back to the table, but perhaps he sensed that the incipient talks would drag on forever, and needed a new cause.

    Forty years ago John Kerry called for an end to the Vietnam War but in his public pronouncements this past week he has sounded eerily like Robert McNamara in that tragic time – urging that America show “resolve,” that our “credibility” is at stake, that our “enemies are watching,” that we mustn’t “back down.” These were not then, and they are not now, reasoned arguments; they are exhortations. Kerry is on the warpath. The President is ultimately responsible, of course, but I fear he is listening mainly to the loudest voice in the room. And that loud voice is channeling loud voices from America’s past — voices that have led us seriously awry.”

    • Maybe we should all just one big stone and start throwing on the count of 3…2..1…

      • Religious wars are the most stupid kind of war, and the reason behind most wars. My gawd is better than your gawd.

        It’s what America will face as soon as the stupid ‘conservatives’ (aka evangelinuts) get the U. S. Constitution rewritten to more closely resemble the bible and begin ‘discussing’ who has the true interpretation. Ya know, the inspired one everyone is positive is their own. Must be why they all attend the same church and follow the same beliefs, huh? [eye roll]

        Of course women will need to be submissive (not to mention barefoot and pregnant), gays will be stoned or worse. Will minorities be the slaves the bible endorses? Or will that be left to Catholics or Mormons or…?

      • Mr. Rogers could also teach these loud-n-proud self-righteous, pious, sanctimonius self-promoting Christians how to live the TRUE Christian life.

        I am so sick and tired of all this fake Christian S.H.I.T….