Saturday, 7/13/13, Public Square

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by | July 13, 2013 · 6:00 am

18 responses to “Saturday, 7/13/13, Public Square

  1. I know we live in Kansas and are outnumbered BIG time, but let’s not allow that to be a reason to quit. Let’s take the lessons we learn as stepping stones to success. This is not a time to be complacent or discouraged, it’s a time to work harder.

  2. An Impertinent Question
    By Robert Reich

    Suppose a small group of extremely wealthy people sought to systematically destroy the U.S. government by (1) finding and bankrolling new candidates pledged to shrinking and dismembering it; (2) intimidating or bribing many current senators and representatives to block all proposed legislation, prevent the appointment of presidential nominees, eliminate funds to implement and enforce laws, and threaten to default on the nation’s debt; (3) taking over state governments in order to redistrict, gerrymander, require voter IDs, purge voter rolls, and otherwise suppress the votes of the majority in federal elections; (4) running a vast PR campaign designed to convince the American public of certain big lies, such as climate change is a hoax, and (5) buying up the media so the public cannot know the truth.

    Would you call this treason?

    If not, what would you call it?

    And what would you do about it?

    • I guess my lawyerly training comes in here when I refuse to call these actions treason. Fraudulent, yes; treasonous, no.

    • Ah I believe that is exactly what I have said for years, history is repeating itself. Rich industrialists have been trying to back roll a candidate they think that can control. But the ones they are supporting are mostly bat shit crazy with designs on taking over. Not able to control them after they are in power and then the elected supreme leader leads both the industrialists and the country into ruination that will take many decades to over come!

      Gee this all sound quite familiar to those who remember the past since the nineteen forties….

  3. When the Zimmerman jury asked the question about manslaughter I saw recognition that a teenager is dead on the face of Zimmerman and his defense team — for the very first time! I saw much arrogance on their faces and in their demeanor during the trial.

    Seems a person or person(s) on the jury may understand that a teenager who did nothing wrong is dead and there would never have been a confrontation if Zimmerman had stayed in his truck and let law enforcement handle his call. By the time there was a face-to-face Martin had as much reason to be afraid and the same right to protect himself as Zimmerman.

    I have a question. Would Zimmerman have been more likely to stay in his truck if he hadn’t been armed?

    • Yes, Ok that is one of those questions that could go either way. People everyday put themselves into harms way without being able protect themselves or having a sane reason that others in the cold and clear light of day can see.

  4. Not guilty.

    It was the verdict I expected, but I had hoped for better.

    • I suspect this entire scenario was pre-planned.

      My theory:

      There had to be a trial to appease the many people calling for justice for the death of this 17-yr-old black male.

      But…..from what I saw (and heard from pundits) – the prosecution was not exactly presenting their best case – IMHO

      Wh didn’t the Prosecution present a different scenario than Trayvon Martin on top of Zimmerman while on that sidewalk?

      I fully suspect the prosectuion and defense both knew how this trial was going to play out…..

      But…now…Zimmerman can not be tried again for the murder of Trayvon Martin – can he?

      • We shall see what happens in the community of Sanford, Florida.

        I heard the press conference with the Police Chief and Sheriff calling for calm…..

        Rather than acting out in violence – the only way to make a real change is to get everyone out to vote.

        Do you think this trial will be a catalyst to get more minorities out to vote?

      • “Wh didn’t the Prosecution present a different scenario than Trayvon Martin on top of Zimmerman while on that sidewalk?”

        My opinion is they thought, just like I did, that that this didn’t start on the sidewalk. Zimmerman started the confrontation the minute he began following an innocent teenager so the aggressor was never a question. Trayvon Martin wouldn’t have had reason to be afraid, suspicious, or to defend himself if he hadn’t been followed. Did you notice there were no grass stains on his light colored pants? Wonder how that happened? I can’t even kneel to garden without getting grass stains.

        Dead men tell no tales.

        I hope for a peaceful night in Florida and across our country. Violence isn’t the best solution to anything.

  5. In all seriousness ….I expected the Not Guilty verdict.

    I also think the truth will never be known as to what happened that fateful night.

    But one question keeps ringing in my head – if Zimmerman had the right to stand his ground – didn’t Trayvon Martin have that same right to stand his ground?

    • One last thing – if the Far Right Wingers whoop and holler as to how Zimmerman is somehow their new Messiah…..I think that political trouble will follow.

      I’ve never accused these Far Right Wingers to be smart – so, if they gloat over this verdict – that will sway alot of what happens in the midterms of 2014 – IMHO

    • According to six women Trayvon Martin didn’t have the same rights that George Zimmerman had.

      Part of Zimmerman’s story was that Trayvon had seen his gun. You think that might have added to Trayvon thinking his life was in danger? He already had to wonder why (and he asked why according to Zimmerman) he was being followed and he felt threatened. The last thing that teenager knew was fear.

      Dead men tell no tales.

  6. I do hope George Zimmerman doesn’t kill again.

  7. The U.S. has a system. It’s not perfect, but it provides for a jury of a defendant’s peers to decide a defendant’s innocence (presumed) or guilt (must be proven).

    And if you have money you can buy some defense attorneys which can also make a difference. I’ve never had very much confidence in our judicial system, I’ve never had much evidence that justice isn’t for sale.

    • To a certain point fnord that is true, poor defendants do not often get the best of the best attorneys. Depending on which system that the court uses.
      Either where the defendant is appointed a legal pool attorney or in part a rotating list of criminal defense attorneys. It can be a toss up as to which is better and the caliber of attorney it get. It pretty well goes with out saying that for the attorney they will not make as much as if they were actually hired by the defendant. It might have changed since I was working around the court system, but at least that was the way it went in the early eighties in Sedgwick County.

      • If we truly believed in what we SAY we believe in- justice for all – then why should money be the determining factor in our Courts?

        I did not like the Defense Attorney Don West when he started his opening remarks with a knock-knock joke.

        This was a case of a 17-yr-old’s death – what is so damn funny?