Saturday, 1/19/13, Public Square

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by | January 19, 2013 · 6:00 am

9 responses to “Saturday, 1/19/13, Public Square

  1. Our old friend Richard Crowson still draws cartoons and still plays beautiful music as often as possible. He also does a weekly radio show out at WSU. At the link you can listen to him, or read the script. You’ll like it!

    Richard Crowson: Regulations!

  2. Comedian Russell Brand interviewed leaders from Westboro Baptist Church . . .

    • Did you notice the irony in this video? Russell Brand looks like the pictures of Jesus with the long hair and beard – but yet these two Westboro church people are telling him he is going to Hell…

      While I may agree with their feeling about Billy Graham making alot of money off Gandhi’s message – I also remember the Bible stating very specifically that it is not up to us to judge. Judge not, lest ye be judged.

      Did you also notice the bald Westboro guy – he was certainly salivating and rubbing his hands togeher like he was thoroughly enjoying playing that who’s going to Hell game.

      That is just way too creepy……and definitely wrong by their own Bible standards.

      BTW – I still contend the basic Westboro Baptist’s message of hate is the same as these Far Right Winger Evangelicals – like Franklin Graham, Bryan Fischer, Pat Robertson. The only difference is – the Far Right Wingers know how to dress for their part and how to make those millions…..

      I wonder if the Far Right Wingers salivate and rub their hands together at the thought of making all those millions off the vulnerable?

      P.S. – And stop picking on Tom Hanks……..Geesh..

      • I have to ask…….is this craziness just all a well-perpetrated act to make money?

        Do these Westboro people really think by going on with Russell Brand that they are doing God’s work?

        And on the flip side – Russell Brand is using the Westboro people for his show.

        I don’t know……this entire world has just gone freaking N-U-T-S…

      • Hmmm

        You asked if “these Westboro people really think…” I don’t know, I haven’t seen any evidence that they do. đŸ™‚

      • What was that line delivered by the Scarecrow in the movie ‘Wizard of Oz’ – some people without brains do alot of talking….

        But in today’s world – their talking is getting louder and louder and accompanied by bullying tactics……

        the sad part – these are also the people who want more and more guns….

    • Bob White

      Great video. Westboro believes as do many that the Bible is ‘inerrant’ and the ‘word of God.’ I believe that today’s Bible which I read frequently is a book of Wisdom that was written by mankind telling the stories, legends and events as remembered before literature existed. The stories about Jesus were not written until centuries after his death, and mostly through only recall by various scribes for which not even one original text exists today. There is much Wisdom, however. There may be a God — but He did not write the Bible. And Russell Brand shows more tolerance of God’s creation than Westboro does. We’re all sinners.

  3. I heard about this on some NPR show while driving the other day – so I looked it up.

    Well, today is the day, so I guess we’ll see what came of this hairbrained idea…

    Seriously, two days before the Inauguration and on the designated day of service , which I think is being headed up by Chelsea Clinton?

    Why can’t these Republicans just accept this basic fact – Obama beat their boy in 2008 and he beat their other boy in 2012. Get over it…

  4. Wicked ‘shared’ a friend’s thoughts on gun violence on her Facebook page. I’ll go look for it.

    As wicked said, “…good sense is simply good sense, just as facts are facts.”

    So, here’s my two cents (which will end up being closer to $1.50 I’m sure) and I’m sure I will regret posting this later, due to the “friends” I will lose while exercising my First Amendment, but here goes.

    Instead of posting a meme with a picture and a falsely attributed quote or a made up statistic, I’ve spent my time researching the gun violence/gun control debate. And I’d like to talk about some of the pervasive themes I’ve seen lately.

    First off, Hitler did not say “In order to conquer a country, you must first disarm its citizens.” In fact, Hitler made it his position to enable guns to be obtained more easily.

    Secondly, the presidents, and I mean ALL of them, and their families, receive death threats on a daily basis. President Obama did not enact the regulations that REQUIRE Secret Service protection for him and his family. If you believe your children are as much of a target as the president’s children, then you have a self inflated idea of your position in this world.

    Thirdly, there is NO law or bill being considered that would allow anyone to come marching into your home to take your legally obtained and legally owned firearms. There are possible laws that are being explored that would require more responsibility on the part of the gun owner or person purchasing a gun (i.e. pass a background check even if buying a gun from a gun show dealer). If you buy a car from a dealer it must be registered (a record of the transfer is documented). If you buy a car from a private citizen, it must be registered. If you buy a gun from a dealer, there is a record of that sale and it is registered. So how is it illogical to require the same for private sales of firearms?

    Fourth, there are not more people being killed with baseball bats than guns. If you disagree with that because you saw a picture stating otherwise on the internet, then I would like to offer you the chance to buy some oceanfront property in Arizona and I’ll throw in the Brooklyn Bridge for free. There is no magical solution for solving the problem of gun violence. THAT is what we need to solve.

    We don’t ban cars that are used in DUI related deaths, but we do enact regulations regarding blood alcohol limits, prosecute people who enable a drunk driver to operate a vehicle after serving them, promote a DUI campaign raising awareness and educating drivers on the dangers of driving while intoxicated. All of which has reduced DUI related fatalities by over 40% in a decade.

    The media is not hiding other gun related stories because they want to sensationalize the problem, they are simply unable to cover every gun death story because there would be an average of 80 of them each day. So they concentrate (unfortunately) on the massacres which I think we can all agree, happen all too often.

    I find the fact that more children are killed in the US by guns than in the entire Middle East region, very disturbing.
    I find it disturbing that the NRA blames the rise in violent shootings on video games and then comes out with its own shooting video game (categorized for children as young as 4 years of age) less than a month after Newtown.
    I find it disturbing that other countries spend in excess of twice as much as the US on violent video games and have a small fraction of the amount of gun related deaths/injuries.
    I find it disturbing that instead of looking for a solution to a problem like Newtown, there are people wasting their time and energy by trying to turn it into a conspiracy theory.
    I find it disturbing that guns are the third largest killer of children ages 5-14 in the US.
    I find it disturbing that a child in America is 12 times more likely to be killed with a gun than the rest of the “developed” world.
    I find it disturbing that there are more guns privately owned in America than the next SEVENTEEN countries combined.
    I find it disturbing that all of these statistics are not discussed but fake statistics about a baseball bat death rate are plastered everywhere.
    I find it disturbing that some people believe that the ONLY answer to this problem is more guns.

    Banning all firearms is NOT the answer, which is exactly why it’s not being proposed. This country has enacted laws that didn’t work before, so they’ve been revised, repealed, reformed, etc. It’s ludicrous to think that as a society, we evolve, but the laws governing us cannot? The NRA states that the assault weapons ban didn’t work the first time. Well, you know what they say, “If at first you don’t succeed, f*%k it.”.
    If armed guards are the only answer to ending school shootings, then explain the VT shooting. Virginia Tech had an entire police department complete with a SWAT unit. Explain Columbine, which had an armed officer on staff. When discussing an end to gun violence in schools, there should be NOTHING left off of the table.

    Ronald Reagan, a huge gun proponent and signor of the Brady Bill, wrote to Congress in 1994 asking them to propose legislation limiting or stopping altogether the manufacture of guns classified as assault weapon. And anyone saying “assault weapon” is a made up term should remember that every word in every language is, in fact, made up.

    And yes, criminals don’t typically obey laws, but we still have them. Can you use that logic to say there should be none at all? No.
    Let me be clear, I am NOT anti gun. I have nothing against guns or responsible gun owners. I served proudly in the military, I worked in armed security, I’ve hunted, and enjoy target shooting since I was a kid. And I’m sure most gun enthusiasts are the same way. However, this issue should be discussed logically and rationally, and all I see are comments and pictures that are anything but rational and for the most part, are just viral, inflammatory, unresearched, vitriol.

    The president enacted 23 executive actions today, of which only 2 have anything to do with limiting the availability of a category of gun or a magazine capacity. The remaining 21 deal with aspects regarding background checks, school safety and mental health system requirements and deficiencies. Will it be a perfect solution? No. Will it help? We’ll see. Is it better than doing nothing? Definitely. If we keep using the statement, “It’s too soon to talk about it.” after each tragedy, pretty soon, we’ll never talk about it.

    OK, so maybe it ended up closer to $2.00 instead of 2 cents. So sue me.