Wednesday, 1/9/13, Public Square

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  1. States are still the places the WAR ON WOMEN is being waged.

    5 Anti-Abortion States to Watch in 2013
    Thought 2012 was bad for reproductive rights? Just wait until you see what some states have planned for this year.

    • prairiepond

      I’m going to assume Kansas is not on that list because all the damage has already been done? Pastor Sam and his church ladies have already destroyed reproductive and women’s health freedom in the state, and now they are on to wrecking the economy and the state treasury. Their work with reproductive rights is finished and can’t get any worse? That’s the only reason I can see that Kansas is not on the Mother Jones list.

      • wicked

        Or we’re too insignificant to mention. Kansas, that is. (sigh)

      • Hey – when the Catholics own the majority of doctors clinics and hospitals in the state – where do you think women will be treated with respect regarding their reproductive rights?

        My doctor’s office was bought out by Via Christi – And ever since that time, I’ve had trouble even getting a live person to pick up their damn phone – let alone get to see the doctor for more than 3 minutes if I am lucky enough to get in for an appt.

        But they are very good at mining the patient records for anything billable – I routine receive robocalls with the statement ‘we see from your records you are due for _________’

        Hmmm……wonder why the doctor did not tell me that when I saw him last week ? Maybe that did not fit into the 3-minute time limit?

        Make no mistake about it – health care is now about the bottom line – how much money can we make.

        We need to get back to the days when health care meant the doctors do what they studied to do – take care of their patients’ health needs.

      • prairiepond

        Yeah, Wicked. Good point. Kansas is increasingly not relevant. Hell, the pundits put timmy huelskamp on their show and couldn’t pronounce his name, and Breitbart said in their profile he was from Oklahoma.

        And notice how little attention Pastor Sam got at the Repuke convention this year? No place on the agenda, and no role one would expect for a future presidential contender. Stick a fork in him because in national politics, he’s done. He’ll have to content himself with just destroying Kansas and then cashing in on Koch Kash.

      • prairiepond

        Indy, good points all. 617 made good points that health insurance companies should be mutual, but as he said, that horse left the barn long ago. Medicare for all is the best single payer option we have. That’s why it is so important not to let the repukes raise the eligibility age or implement means testing. Hell, we need to be pushing them to lower the age, which is the next incremental step to Medicare for all.

      • prairiepond

        To Wicked’s point about our increasing lack of relevance, I post this. Sorry for the length. I copied the text and not a link, but it explains why Kansas, and other red rural states, are about as relevant as a buggy whip.

        Associated Press
        WASHINGTON — Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack has some harsh words for rural America: It’s “becoming less and less relevant,” he said.
        A month after an election Democrats won even as rural parts of the country voted overwhelmingly Republican, the former Democratic governor of Iowa told farm belt leaders this past week he’s frustrated with their internecine squabbles and said they need to be more strategic in picking their political fights.
        “It’s time for us to have an adult conversation with folks in rural America,” Vilsack said in a speech at a forum sponsored by Farm Journal. “It’s time for a different thought process here, in my view.”
        He said rural America’s biggest assets — the food supply, recreational areas and energy, for example — can be overlooked by people elsewhere as the U.S. population shifts more to cities, their suburbs and exurbs.
        “Why is it that we don’t have a farm bill?” Vilsack said. “It isn’t just the differences of policy. It’s the fact that rural America with a shrinking population is becoming less and less relevant to the politics of this country, and we had better recognize that, and we better begin to reverse it.”
        For the first time in recent memory, farm-state lawmakers were not able to push a farm bill through Congress in an election year, evidence of lost clout in farm states.
        The Agriculture Department said approximately 50 percent of rural counties have lost population in the past four years and poverty rates are higher there than in metropolitan areas, despite the booming agricultural economy.
        Exit polls conducted for the Associated Press and television networks found rural voters accounted for just 14 percent of the turnout in last month’s election, with 61 percent of them supporting Republican Mitt Romney and 37 percent backing President Barack Obama. Two-thirds of those rural voters said the government is doing too many things better left to businesses and individuals.
        Vilsack criticized farmers who have embraced wedge issues such as regulation, citing the uproar over the idea the Environmental Protection Agency was going to start regulating farm dust after the Obama administration said repeatedly it had no so such intention.
        In his Washington speech, he also cited criticism of a proposed Labor Department regulation, later dropped, that was intended to keep younger children away from the most dangerous farm jobs, and criticism of egg producers for dealing with the Humane Society on increasing the space hens have in their coops. Livestock producers fearing they will be the next target of animal rights advocates have tried to undo that agreement.
        “We need a proactive message, not a reactive message,” Vilsack said. “How are you going to encourage young people to want to be involved in rural America or farming if you don’t have a proactive message? Because you are competing against the world now.”
        John Weber, a pork producer in Dysart, Iowa, said Friday farmers have to defend their industries against policies they see as unfair. He said there is great concern among pork producers that animal welfare groups are using unfair tactics and could hurt their business.
        “Our role is to defend our producers and our industry in what we feel are issues important to us,” he said.
        Weber agreed, though, that rural America is declining in influence. He said he is concerned there are not enough lawmakers from rural areas and complained Congress doesn’t understand farm issues. He added the farm industry needs to communicate better with consumers.
        “There’s a huge communication gap” between farmers and the food-eating public, he said.
        Vilsack, who has made the revitalization of rural America a priority, encouraged farmers to embrace new kinds of markets, work to promote global exports and replace a “preservation mindset with a growth mindset.” He said they also need to embrace diversity because it is an issue important to young people who are leaving rural areas.
        “We’ve got something to market here,” he said. “We’ve got something to be proactive about. Let’s spend our time and our resources and our energy doing that, and I think if we do, we’re going to have a lot of young people who want to be part of that future.”

      • prairiepond

        A couple of other related points.

        Farm groups, like Farm Bureau, Kansas Wheat Growers, etc. did the usual rural Kansas thing after this and tried to kill the messenger without listening to the message. The started petitions to get rid of Vilsac without even considering that he was delivering some harsh truth. Typical Kansas.

        Also… From The Week magazine.12-1-12
        “America now has more computer software engineers than farmers. More than 1 million people are trying to make a living writing apps and other software, according to the NYT.”

        We are sure as hell never going to win anything on shear numbers, even if all the red flyover states band together.


        Yahoo 12-13-2012 Seven shrinking careers
        Between 2010 and 2020, some 96,100 farmers and ranchers will go out of business, the BLS says. “As land, machinery, seed, and chemicals become more expensive, only well-capitalized farmers and corporations will be able to buy many of the farms that become available,” the BLS predicts. “These larger, more productive farms are better able to withstand the adverse effects of climate and price fluctuations on farm output and income.”

        Farmers can either fight ‘em by niche marketing (think organic produce grown for local restaurants) or join ‘em by moving into farm management for an agribusiness corporation or, for those who like the business side of farming, agriculture consulting. If you’re up for a completely new career, consider agricultural appraising, says Cheryl L. Cooley, communications manager for the American Society of Farm Managers and Rural Appraisers.”

        But you’ll sure as hell never see those facts reflected in any farm bill or your local FSA office.

  2. Has the world gone crazy or have I lived so long that I am the crazy one?

  3. prairiepond

    Pastor Sam needs to remember that charity begins at home, like, not killing people by shredding the social safety net or making our tax structure less progressive or not expanding Medicaid even though the feds will pay for it. And not killing public education. And.. well.. the list could go on.

    As Will would say, “Hypocricy, thy name is…”

    “TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Gov. Sam Brownback has established a special panel to highlight and promote charitable work by Kansans throughout the state, the nation and the world.

    Brownback announced creation of the Kansas Humanitarian Commission on Tuesday. The panel will be chaired by Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer and Ashleigh Black, who will choose the other seven members.

    Colyer is a plastic surgeon and has volunteered to aid victims of violence in several war zones around the world. Black is the associate director of the Center for Global Health at George Washington University in Washington, D.C.

    The commission will develop a nominating process for the Kansas Governor’s Humanitarian of the Year awards, which will be presented each fall.”

    Kansas, where words and awards always mean more than, ya know, actions.

    Jesus wept.

  4. Multislacking.

    It’s nice to find a name for something so many are good at!

  5. Not hot off the press, but full of truth.

    The Recession’s Toll: How Middle Class Wealth Collapsed to a 40-Year Low

  6. While at The Atlantic, I found this piece. I can only hope this comes true!

    In 2012, Did Conservatives Lose a Battle or the War?

    (from the link):

    John Yoo: Well you could lose the battle but not lose the war.

    Rob Long: To use the military analogy, if you set out a strategy over the last 40 years, you say, okay, we lost the battle of socialized medicine, we lost the battle on big government, we lost the battle on deficits, we lost the battle on taxes, we lost the battle on social issues. I’m sorry, what are the battles that are left?

    Peter Robinson: Take Obamacare alone. One point that Rob is making here is that this isn’t reversible. This is irreversible. The country has suddenly ratcheted to the left and whether or not Barack Obama had a mandate to do it he did it. And as Obamacare begins to be enacted over the next four years, which it will be, it will begin to shape and mold the American character and American expectations. It’s a point that Mark Steyn has made over and over and over again that even Margaret Thatcher never thought about touching the National Health Service in Britain. Some expansions of government, for whatever reason they take place, become irreversible and shape the people who live under them.

    John Yoo: So Obamacare is kinda like the kudzu of American politics. I really disagree with that. If you control the House, you control the power of the purse, then you can’t repeal Obamacare, but you can slow it down a lot.

    Rob Long: That’s my point exactly. We can’t stop the progressive movement. We can just slow it down.

    John Yoo: Until 2016, when you can go to the country and say we want a mandate to get rid of Obamacare.

    Rob Long: but we did that. That’s what we had in 2012.

    John Yoo: But we had a candidate who was especially vulnerable on attacking Obamacare. And I hate to say it, the Supreme Court helped out Obama. Chief Justice Roberts wrote a constitutional opinion that I think was profoundly mistaken because he was faked out by Obama. He did it to escape attacks on the Supreme Court by the president. I think he was wrong to do it. And I think he handed over the right to appoint Surpeme Court justices for the next 40 years.

    Peter Robinson: I’m just going to repeat the question to give you a chance to recant. It was a 5-to-4 decision. They decided. The Constitution is heretofore to be interpreted in a different and from our point of view in a way that is permanently friendlier to the expansion of the welfare state. That has happened.

    Rob Long: And in the next four years… we’re going to have more Sotomayors and more Elena Kagans on the court. And we’re going to have them because we’ve lost our base. It’s shrunk and it’s not coming back unless we do something.

  7. Here’s what Brownback and his family received in farm subsidies (Socialism is okay for some, not so much for others) —

  8. A society where people are armed with weapons don’t necessarily need to be polite —

    Wrong Fast Food Order Leads To Standoff In West Wichita

    Wednesday, January 9, 2013

    A man upset over a restaurant getting his order wrong is now involved in a standoff with Wichita Police.

    Around 7:30 a.m. a man ordered food at a McDonald’s drive-thru, located at 6350 W. Kellogg near Dugan in West Wichita.

    The man reportedly became upset when he drove away and realized his order was wrong. It intensified when the man tried to cut in front of another car at the drive-thru.

    The driver waiting in line didn’t appreciate the other car trying to cut, and words were exchanged. At one point a woman got out of the car trying to cut, and threw a crowbar at the other.

    The driver of that same car then got out, grabbed a shotgun and fired into the air before leaving.

    Police responded and tracked the car to a home on Newell near Meridian where officers are currently trying to get the occupants to come out.

    The street has been shut down, but no one in the neighborhood has been evacuated.

    KAKE News has a crew on the scene and we’ll update this story as additional information becomes available.

    • So why would we want even more guns out into our sick world?

      • Oh, I forgot the NRA mantra – if only there was a good guy with a gun to take out that bad guy with a gun – none of this violence would have happen ed…correct?

        I’m confused though……which car was tracked – the one with the shotgun or the one that caused all this mess?

      • YES! Just what was needed was another hothead with a gun!

        [eye roll]

        I strongly believe the gun nuts who don’t feel safe without a gun strapped to themselves are looking for any opportunity to use that gun. I know responsible people who are licensed to carry. Never would they ever tell anyone outside their closest circle of trustworthy friends and family that fact. The difference is that they aren’t gun nuts and although gun nuts don’t seem to recognize the distinction everyone rational does.

    • As I just heard one pundit state so eloquently – why would the AIG board even consider this lawsuit when they are payiing for that multi-million dollar marketing those television ads saying how grateful and thankful they are to the American taxpayers for helping them….

      You just cannot fix S-T-U-P-I-D

      • The stupid part is Hank Greenberg. As I stated yesterday, the Board of AIG is between a rock and a hard place, all due to the actions of Mr. Greenberg. The lawsuit is already filed, the action will (apparently) continue. AIG has already sued the federal government; not by action of the Board, but by the procedural requirements underlying the litigation filed by Mr. Greenberg and others. Remember, Mr. Greenberg was terminated in 2005, and was not involved in any way with the bailout negotiations and implementation on behalf of AIG. He’s coming in now on the wings of a vulture seeking more for himself and his merry band of followers.

        There seems to be a strange disconnect here between what is going on and the perception of what is going on. It is very clear to me the current Board of AIG doesn’t want to be a part of this litigation. It can take the risk of allowing the action to continue with out its involvement while hoping the Greenberg group loses. Should the Greenberg group prevail, then the Breach of Fiduciary Duty litigation against the Board by the non-Greenberg group
        shareholders becomes a certainty, with large liability exposure. This is the issue for the AIG Board. Nothing else really matters.

        indy, as I was not listening to the pundit, was there or has there been any attempt to interview any knowledgeable lawyers about this? I’ve not seen any, and I think this contributes to the disconnect.

        Greed runs rampant among many in this country. Hank Greenberg and his cronies are just the latest personification thereof.

      • 6176 – this pundit was only addressing the P.R. side of this story…

      • Just did additional reading. I did not realize this litigation was pending in the Court of Claims, which is an interesting venue, and makes about 25 to 50% of prior stuff I’ve posted not applicable. The Breach of Fiduciary Duty stuff is still accurate, however.

  9. Well, that’s the gun culture for ya. Who would ever have thought that a lifestyle revolving around guns and violence and paranoia could have resulted in this?

    Cult YouTube gun channel boss found shot dead on rural Georgia road

    Keith Ratliff was found shot to the head but had cache of weapons near him
    He ran YouTube channel with three million subscribers and all videos combined have been viewed more than a HALF BILLION times
    32-year-old man leaves behind a wife and two-year-old son

  10. So sad. Makes zero sense.


    Sculpture Vandalized In Downtown Wichita
    Wednesday, January 9, 2013

    Officers are investigating after a sculpture in a downtown Wichita park was found vandalized.

    The “Heritage Woman” sculpture resides in Heritage Park, near the intersection of Main and William.

    A passerby discovered the damaged sculpture today, which was broken from its base and split in half.

    City officials are still trying to determine when the vandalism may have occurred and how much it will cost to repair.

    The “Heritage Woman” was sculpted by Salina artist Richard Bergen. The Junior League of Wichita donated it to the city in 1976.

    Anyone who may have information on this case is asked to call Crime Stoppers at (316) 267-2111.

    • wicked

      Maybe someone doesn’t like nekkid women.

      • In the bar section at Savutes there is a poster in the ladies room that someone didn’t like. It’s a cartoon of nearly nekkid skiers. It was taken down, torn into pieces and disposed of in the trashcan several times. No one could ever figure out who was offended. Anyway, after the umpteenth time it had to be replaced it was glued to a board, shellacked and barbed wire placed at the edges of the board. That’s the way it still is today. People hear the story and go in to the ladies room to see it. Lots of grins and giggles.

        Here’s a link with a larger version:

      • wicked

        Now that’s a cool picture!

    • prairiepond

      Maybe someone just doesn’t like women, nekkid or otherwise. I know, it’s hard to believe, but someone in Kansas just may not like all those uppity women wanting economic equality and freedom of reproductive health.

  11. wicked

    What’s art to some is porn to others.