Monday, 1/7/13, Public Square

elephant not forget


by | January 7, 2013 · 6:00 am

48 responses to “Monday, 1/7/13, Public Square

  1. I wonder where people learn this hate? [eye roll]

  2. prairiepond

    Yes, and elephant never forgets. And Kansas voters either never remember or they feel the same way. Hate the gays, arm every citizen, let the rich got tax free while cutting services to those most in need. Oh, and let the education system, once the envy of the nation, rot and slowly die for lack of funding. The problem isn’t so much the Kansas Repuke leadership. It’s the Kansas Repuke voters that keep electing them!

    Ahhh ahhhh Kansas!

    • I’ve said this before – there is very little difference between the message of Westboro Baptist Phelps Klan and your Religious Right Republican from Kansas.

      The message is the same…but the mainstream RRR have their corporate puppet masters pulling the strings…..

      Money talks and B.S. walks.

  3. prairiepond

    Of course, as I often mentioned, what choice to Kansas voters have? This repuke or that repuke since the Kansas Democratic Party can’t seem to find a way to support candidates for the statehouse or any office for that matter.

    Sometimes, I wonder if the leadership of the KDP is actually on the payroll of the Kansas Repuke party. They sure are doing their part to make sure no Democrats get elected.

    I had an interesting conversation this weekend with a well connected politico in Topeka who said there seems to have been a conscious KDP decision to abandon the party west of Highway 77. Just cut it off. And that echos what Sebelius’ chief of staff told me about western Kansas. She said “there just aren’t enough votes out there to matter.”

    Given how Moran beat Tiahrt, I bet he’d beg to differ. You can’t win a statewide office without at least SOME showing in the Big First. Democrats seem to not be able to count or read a map, or analyze voting patterns. Either that, or they just don’t give a damn. See paragraph number two above.

    Gotta ask. “How’s that abandon the west strategy working, KDP?”

    Gotta say, “Jesus wept.”

    • To be fair…..Moran got alot of help from people like me – who specifically registered as Republican so I could vote against Tiarht – and it worked.

      But -hey – I don’t claim any credit for this strategy….this came directly from Rush Limbaugh’s mouth when he was telling REpublicans to register as Democrats to vote for Hillary to knock out Obama in the primaries. Remember?

  4. prairiepond

    The paywall was down this morning on your local paper, so I took a minute to read a couple of things of interest. While I was there, I peeked over the wall at TBTSNBN.

    Did you know, we are regularly getting more comments and commentators than they are? Steven, er, Iggy, was so damn smart to set this place up in anticipation of just such a paywall event.

    Thanks to him and Fnord and everyone else who keeps the doors open here. It’s greatly appreciated, as are all of the posters.

    ((((((group hug)))))))

    • Steven was a wise man….but more than that – he cared about people.

    • I met CF and Cap’n, along with Capn’s wife one evening last week — our small group of five (counting me and hubby) watched the K-State bowl game together. Cap’n got it organized because he doesn’t have ESPN where the game was aired. They both asked about several of the people who blog here and said they would come see us. Cap’n still blogs at the old place, CF doesn’t, and I hope they both do stop by, pull up a chair and make themselves at home. I hope.

      • prairiepond

        Wow, that would be really nice if they would do so. I’m jealous. I bet you all had fun. I’ve net Cap’n’s wife and she’s a nice and interesting lady. I’ve never met CF’s wife or children, but I bet they are as special as he is.

        Too bad the game didn’t turn out better. 🙂

      • prairiepond

        On the same subject, do you ever hear from DaMoon? I know she goes by a different name over there now, but I have often wondered how she and her hubby were doing and how his health is. TBTSNBN was and is a pain in the patoot, but I sure made some good friends over there and I miss them and wonder how they are doing.

      • okie dokie……I remember that one……. so self-righteous and pious. I had a mental picture of what she looked like – ironically, it was a professor I had at at that Fundy Baptist College – yes, pretty hair bow and all…..ROFLMAO

        To this day – I still wonder how the hell I ever made it out of that place with one working brain cell left…

      • I can’t remember anyone we called DaMoon. More hints? I keep up with Wichiwoman, PMom, CF, and a few others that don’t come to mind right this instant, through Facebook.

        Yes, Indy, leaving that sanctimonious okie dokie gma behind was a real treat. She used to follow me around just to pick on me. I remember bloggers from both sides of the fence commented about her puppy dog ways and pettiness. Oh well, life goes on — FORWARD — and gets much better when you don’t deal with little snippy ankle biters like her.

        Maybe I’ll remind CF he needs to check us out.

      • Do you mean Moonshadow?

        I don’t think she blogged at WEBlog, only here. If so, she and hubby seem to be doing well. As well as any of us old coots are doing anyway. 🙂

      • Isn’t Moonshadow the one that posted that awesome picture of her granddaugher on the back deck with the illusion of her holding the moon in her hands?

        I loved that picture…

      • Yes, that is Moonshadow.

      • prairiepond

        It would be nice to hear from Moonshadow again. Please give my best to Pmom. I kind of lost touch with her, but I sure enjoyed the day you two came to visit. Wish it could happen again. 🙂 Wichiwoman was cool, too. We shared a love of the blues. It would be nice if she’d drop in here.

        Damoon was Mary, whose husband had such a serious heart attack. I know you used to keep in touch, but don’t know if you still do.

        And okie dokie along with tippy can kiss my fat white ass. Both were too toxic to live. And of course, I was never convinced they were not one in the same! HA!

      • Ah, yes, of course! She too is a Facebook friend, and I got together with her — a bunch of us evahl libaruhls — at the election to drink a beer in celebration of President Obama being reelected. Her hubby was there and looks grrreeeaaatttt. They are counting the days to her retirement which is still a few years away unless Obamacare can get insurance options sooner. Will was in town from his new home north of here for that get together and I got to meet his new absolutely wonderful lady. She’ll keep him in line without doing anything because she is truly that special and he knows it! 🙂

      • How awesome the good news of other bloggers. Will seems pretty happy when he finds time to drop in here…..and he deserves every bit of happiness – IMHO

      • prairiepond

        That is all good news about the other bloggers. Good folks, all of them. It’s always great when good people are doing well.

      • Sooooo, PrairiePond, when are getting a Facebook account? I could set you up with a bunch of friends who would love to keep in contact!

  5. WHAT KIND OF AMERICA DO YOU WANT TO LIVE IN? The next time you hear someone denigrate those on welfare, show them these staggering statistics. When lawmakers cut “social programs” they are sentencing more children and families to poverty. When businesses find it cheaper to move jobs overseas than pay living wages, they send us down this road.

    TeaPublican Evangelinuts have been inundated with propaganda from their “news,” where they’ve been convinced to stop asking “Where are the jobs,” into self-serving individuals who spout “Get a job.” If we were the military, we would say “no man left behind” but instead, we have turned into a society who asks “what’s in it for me.” A selfish, self-centered, very un-Christian society. Shame on us.

    “Behind the steady upward creep of these numbers lie a series of unpleasant realities. While the economy has made modest gains in recent months, jobs remain thin on the ground, and many existing jobs pay less than what a family of four needs to live. One in five Americans has had trouble affording food for the family table in the past year, and nearly half of all U.S. households are struggling to cover basic expenses like electricity and medical care.”

    • Sad commentary on these self-professign Christian Conservative Republicans – they want to cut spending for people to be able to feed their children but yet want to give even more of my tax dollars to these oil companies who already making record-breaking profits.

      It just does not make sense…..does it?

  6. Totally off topic ….but do we have any fellow ‘Downton Abbey’ fans in here?

    This is a television series on PBS – complete with a castle, aristocrats, castle-full of servants and the ins and outs of daily lives – between these two groups.

    Last night was the premiere of Season 3………I must confess, I love this show. It takes me back to a time when life was supposed to be simpler – but ironically, those folks faced the same basic problems we have in our society today….

    Just further proof that the more things change, the more they stay the same?

    • I just thought of something in last night’s episode. The Lord of Downton Abbey (who is facing financial ruin and loss of the Manor) – he said that the house was more than just his home – it was the largest employer and people depended on him being in that house.

      Hmmmm……isn’t that the way corporations used to work here in America? Now, it seems the CEO’s and their shareholders are in it for nothing more than to make a profit. And not just a profit – they demand to make a budgeted increase in profit. And if they do not make the projected profit – then they consider they lost money – even though they still made a good profit.

      It’s all about ME-ME-ME………in our current society. And that mentality will bring us down faster than foreign terrorists with a bomb…

  7. This is very interesting reading….

    The thing I heard this morning is the reason the Jews don’t like Chuck Hagel – he advocated for talking to the group Hamas – in other words….Hagel wants to try diplomacy first instead of dropping nuclear bombs on those folks ‘we don’t like’?

    But….but…..didn’t Reagan also state emphatically he would never negotiate with terrorists – so, what the hell was Iran Contra about?

  8. Now…..let’s see how long it takes before CONServative Republicans to come after Hillary Clinton about Benghazi…


    What a bunch of buffoons…

    • Those people who continue onandon about Benghazi are stupid and have mean spirits — their hearts are black with hate and their minds are vile. They are terrorists of the worst kind!

      When horrible dangerous tragedies happen there isn’t a stenographer standing nearby taking down the events accurately as they happen. Later, when the danger is gone is soon enough to study what happened, when and how. That’s been done. Reports have been made. Statements that came before all the facts were in have been clarified.

      Remember the conflicting accounts during the recent Hurricane Sandy? Yeah, that’s how all tragedies are — you tell what is, to the best of your knowledge, the facts until they aren’t facts any longer because you know more now.

  9. I think it was R.D. that posted a comment about the platinum coin strategy to solve the debt ceiling problem? Here is the next chapter in this particular story.

    But, as I read this, it occurred to me – this law was passed in 1996. Republicans had total control of Washington from 2000 to 2006 – why didn’t they get rid of it then?

    Or did they not need to – since GWB was successful in persuading people that putting two wars ‘off budget’ was a financial good strategy?

  10. What was the percentage of Latinos who voted in the 2012 election for President Obama? Wasn’t it over 70%? Maybe the Republican Party should give more thought to who they alienate with their policies —

    (from the link): The nation’s 53 million Hispanics comprise 17% of the total U.S. population but just 10% of all voters this year, according to the national exit poll. To borrow a boxing metaphor, they still “punch below their weight.”

    However, their share of the electorate will rise quickly for several reasons. The most important is that Hispanics are by far the nation’s youngest ethnic group. Their median age is 27 years—and just 18 years among native-born Hispanics—compared with 42 years for that of white non-Hispanics. In the coming decades, their share of the age-eligible electorate will rise markedly through generational replacement alone.

    An Awakened Giant: The Hispanic Electorate is Likely to Double by 2030

    • And poetic justice is – it was a majority of Republicans and their corporate master – Chamber of Commerce – that pushed for immigration as long as the corporate interests were making their profits.

      But – I guess nobody figured on the Hispanics having babies and raising their kids to grab their American dream – huh?

      Once again – Republicans are blinded by their own greed.

      IMHO – the only reason immigration is now on the front burner is because when GWB and his Gang of GOP Bullies crashed the economy – that long arm of unemployment reached up into the higher levels of middle class – and the GOP paid-talking mouths joined in their chorus – let’s blame the immigrants.

  11. This would be a dream come true, a wet dream even! Go! Go, go Michael Savage! [I think this would be the end of these idiot Teapublican Evangelicals!]

    The conservative radio host Michael Savage Sunday called for a third, “nationalist” American political party to challenge the Republican Party on the right of the political spectrum.

    “We need a nationalist party in the United States of America,” said Savage on Aaron Klein’s WABC radio show.

    “You have the rudiments of a new party in this country called a Tea Party. They need to restructure their party. They need a charismatic leader, which they don’t have,” he said. “When you say Tea Party no one knows who the leader is because there is no leader. No man has stepped forward who can lead that party.”

    Savage is the third-most widely heard radio talker in the country, and a leading voice among conservatives seeking an alternative to the Beltway Republican Party.

    “The Tea Party is the rudiment of the new nationalist party,” he said. “Somebody has to bring them all together, unite them like King David did the ancient tribes of Israel. And there is no King David out there. Who’s the King David? Tell me who is going to do it?”

    Savage passed on nominating himself for the role.

    “I could do it if I was 20 years younger. I would do it right now. But I’m not 20 years younger and I don’t have 20 years left in me. This is going to require enormous resource and enormous energy,” he said.

    “There are people so frustrated by the democracy that is gone in this country, the structure that has replaced, lets put it to you this way, replaced our democracy, is what I meant to say, that they would clamor for the new nationalist party,” Savage said, going on to slam the Republican Party.

    “There is no Republican party. It’s an appendage of the Democrat machine as we’ve all just seen. It’s two card Monte, as we all know. It’s a game being played against the American people. You’ve got the drunk Boehner on the one side, and the quasi-pseudo-crypto Marxist on the other, who is really just enjoying the ride in Hawaii right now, representing his factions,” he said.

    • No man has stepped forward who can lead that party.”
      Hmmmm….right there, this buffoon has written off half of the population. When will these Teapublicans learn their lesson?

      Never fear, they will always have Sarah Palin.

      But I can save Mr. Savage alot of time and frustration – Teapublicans, Fundy Christians and Birthers are not known for being able to compromise – so, there will NEVER be a coming together of these groups.

      Why do you think there are so many different versions of the same religion? Answer: Because nobody can seem to get along with others. These are the folks that had the Kindergarten teacher write in their report card – ‘does not play well with others’./

  12. I have been quite pleased with my experiences with the VA and my medical care to date. Appointments confirmed, both in writing and by “robo call”. Waiting time a lot less than other experiences. Lab results provided as a matter of course. When with doctor, seemingly only patient; no “I’ll be right back” during appointment as the doc scurries off to see another patient. Some would surely be put off by what and how much is done by nurse or other personnel which traditionally has been province of physician. And, gotta love the pharmacy (and the copays).

    Now, it is clear the local center may well be better than others based upon conversations with others. However, given what I “knew” about the place 30 years ago, then 20, then 10, it is far from the horror stories I heard. Everyone there (patients) were quite pleased. Further, while there are waits, when I think about it, these aren’t any longer than others, just done differently.

    I’ll keep y’all informed as my journey into “socialized medicine” continues. So far, it’s all good.

    • A great friend of ours, former co-worker of hubby and golf partner for around 20 yrs, and his wife both volunteer there. They have nothing but praise! Another great friend of over 30 years is an RN there — she just wishes there were more hours in each day.

      I need to talk to you about who is eligible. Hubby served during Vietnam but was assigned to a prison in Germany so never saw combat (well, he says being an MP put him in many combative situations…). So, does he qualify?

      • Yes. Your husband and I are both Vietnam era vets, who never were “in country”. This has some “magic” atached to it, not quite sure what it is. He, if interested, should “do the paperwork”. His priority group might be different than mine due to income, which will potentially affect his co-pays (some of which may be covered by any medical insurance),. I’m learning as much as I can as fast as I can, due to all the information that is provided once one dips his/her toe in the water.

      • The main reason for my question is that hubby would like to retire at age 62 which is next year and a few years before Medicare eligibility. I can go on Medicare whenever the coverage provided by his employer ends since I’m older, but I don’t know what we’ll do in those gap years for him. I’ll need to look into that paperwork stuff.

    • Forgot; the entire system is highly computerized. An i.d. card is issued, which has a bar code on the front. Each step means “take a number”, and when with the appropriate professional, a scan of the bar code occurs, which gives the pro immediate access to your information. As an example, I went to the pharmacy today to see where I’d fouled up Friday, when 3 Rx written, but I’d (as a nwbie) left without checking, etc. My number was 51; the pharmacy tech was on 41. II checked my watch to see just how long this would take.

      Answer: including all waiting time, I was there less than 45 minutes, leaving with a 14 day partial fill, the rest of the (as I understand it) 90 day supply to be mailed, and (hopefully) received within 10 days. I’ll find out what my copays are when I’m billed; there was a suggestion made that since the Rxs were for more than 30 days, there might not be one; if only for 30 days or less, would be no more than $8/each, a total of $24. Given I pay >1.5 times that each month at my Dillons Pharmacy, I think I’ll be just fine.

  13. Newtown pol to Gabrielle Giffords: ‘Stay out of my towns!’

    (from the link): Connecticut State Rep. DebraLee Hovey had a rather insensitive message for former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, who visited Newtown after the horrific Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings: “Stay out of my towns!!”

    The six-term Republican took to Facebook to make the rant, arguing the visit “was political.”

    • Please refer to my reference above – Republicans are just grown-up Kindergarteners that teacher had to write ‘does not play well with others’.

      IMHO – just let these Republicans keep showing thier poop-filled diapers to the world. Eventually, the numbers of Republicans will dwindle down to their IQ size?

  14. There are new polls out showing the declining favorability of The Tea Party. Warms the cockles of my heart to know that Americans realize when a major political movement is revealed to be a complete waste of time, based solely on racist, unmitigated, and completely baseless hatred for a president, after awhile, it loses some steam. 🙂

    Tea Party Popularity Falls To Record Low, Rasmussen Reports

    • Just think….if these Teapublicans put in Sarah Palin as their Queen – there will be even less favorability….

      Is it possible to be a minus-positive number?

    • What I find especially interesting is that the polling was done by Rasmussen, whose results tend to have a pro-GOP skew.

    • I know there are many who say recent redistricting made republican control of The House an absolute fact for a decade, but with the growing minority numbers, and people waking up to the Tea HATE, I wonder if that is an accurate analysis.