Wednesday, 10/3/12, Public Square


by | October 3, 2012 · 6:00 am

44 responses to “Wednesday, 10/3/12, Public Square

  1. It’s all over the web that a coordinated Drudge/Daily Caller/Hannity race baiting attempt began yesterday involving a video of a speech. I read Tucker Carlson was clutching his pearls while spluttering words of racial fear-mongering.

    Are they trying to incite a race riot? I’m sure they’re all good Christians who practice The Golden Rule. [eye roll] The right-wing lowered to a place few are evil enough to go seems not just desperate but terribly pathetic.

    Rev. Wright … Bill Ayers … Saul Alinksy … BLACK men … the president of the United States of America is a BLACK MAN!

    Be afraid, very afraid!

    He’s obviously UPPITY too. Like females and Latinos he should ‘know his place’! (In this evil scenario gays don’t even have a place!)

    • Like Rachel Maddow said – this video has been out since 2007 – and it has been throughly discussed before the 2008 election.

      But….you know that Rev. Wright is the Evil Son of the Devil himself – while good ol’ Paty Robertson, Franklin Graham and ther est of hose lily-white Fundy preacher boys are God’s favorites.

      • BTW – Republicans have used fear and scare tactics for so long to win elections – that’s all they know.

        As for race baiting – how about Scott Brown in Massachusetts in his debate with Elizabeth Warren. How many times did this doofus say that Elizabeth Warren is not a person of color – just lolok at her.

        And then his staffers go out in public and do the tomachawk chop adn war whoopigng?

        Bullies – plains and simple – bulllies.

  2. I found this interesting. Thoughtful questions for both candidates. Questions I’m sure we’d all like to hear answered. Few comments to the piece, but there is at least one really good one!

    The New Yorker’s Debate Questions: Domestic-Policy Edition

    And we added a twist: assume, for the sake of the exercise, that the candidates will actually answer truthfully.

    Read more

  3. Mitt Romney suggests cutting mortgage interest deduction on eve of presidential debate

    (from the link): In an interview Monday night with Denver TV station KDVR, Romney said, “As an option you could say everybody’s going to get up to a $17,000 deduction. And you could use your charitable deduction, your home mortgage deduction, or others — your health care deduction, and you can fill that bucket, if you will, that $17,000 bucket that way. And higher income people might have a lower number.”


    • I’ve said this before – I would like to see donations made to any church be disqualified as charitable donations.

      What is so charitable about giving to a mega church just so they can form a protest political group to go attack homosexuals or abortion clinics?

      That is NOT charity – in my book.

      • More every year I am agreeing many churches shouldn’t be given tax exemptions. What would be involved — both cost, time and effort — in identifying those churches who are preaching politics? Could it be discovered effectively, fairly? Sometimes these kinds of efforts end up punishing the innocent and I sure wouldn’t want that to happen. I know there are churches tending to the business of Christ.

      • Instead of making all church donations tax deductible – allow these churches to start specific charitable groups with restrictions on where that money goes – ie none of that money goes towards building a new church, parking lot or the latest fitness gym for their exlusive country club members to use.

    • (from the link): “It’s also very difficult to see how Romney achieves his goal to keep the plan distributionally neutral using this policy. Remember that when the Tax Policy Center looked at Romney’s rate cuts, they went ‘top-down,’ meaning they eliminated every dollar of deductions for people making more than $200,000 before eliminating any dollar of deductions for people making less than $200,000 — and they still couldn’t make the policy as progressive as the current system. This idea, while it hits the rich harder than it hits the poor, is not nearly so progressive, which means it does imply a net tax increase on those making less than $200,000 and a net tax cut on those making more than $200,000.” Ezra Klein

      Tax plan specifics! From Mitt Romney!

  4. While discussing charity and churches – there would be no hunger in America if these mega churches would stop building huge monuments to themselves and actually do what the Bible tells them to do ….

    But – then the dog and pony show would not have their sparkling dancing horses – would they?

    • Bob White

      I agree with your premise: But can we also agree on “what the Bible tells them to do?” Try me.

      • I’m game. I’ll go first.

        The premise of every religion seems to be: Be good. Jesus told me to love my Lord God and to be humble and loving to the point of treating others as I want to be treated — everyone, including those who hate me. He said all men (and he meant humankind as in women are included equally) are sinners and He came to die for our sins. All I need do is acknowledge I am a sinner, ask for His forgiveness and accept the fact that he is my personal Savior.

        Okay, so that’s the most simplified version, but it’s what I think the Bible tell me to do.

        Your turn.

      • Oh yes, He also said any kindness I do is done unto Him. I think that means if I offer help, food, comfort, shelter to a fellow human — I’ve helped, fed, comforted, sheltered Him

        Likewise, if I hurt another fellow human — I’ve hurt Him.

      • We are to be our brother’s keeper – was one lesson.

        Jesus fed the hungry – without expecting anything in return.

        Jesus healed the sick – without demanding cash payment or a valid insurance card.

        Jesus comforted the outcasts of society.

        Jesus saved a woman labeled a prostitute from being stoned from the other people – and what did Jesus say? He who is without sin, cast the first stone.

        These are just a few of the examples.

        But the one I think is the most revealing when I talk about these mega churches is the one and only time Jesus lost his temper – and what did he do?

        He threw the money vendors out of the Temple.

        These mega churches are just money vendors – snake oil salesmen – using the cover of righteousness and Godliness to make their profits.

  5. Serious question – I think Romney will choke tonight somewhere in the debate. After he chokes – he will get defensive and then start spewing all those zingers he has reportedly been practicing for months.

    When he starts this – do you think the independents and moderates will take offenses at Romney not giving President obama the respect that the office of hte presidency should be given?

    The GOP Rabid Base of Teabaggers, Brithers and Fundy Christians all want to see Romney ridicule President Obama – but I think that strategy will backfire on them..

    What do you think?

    • I think no matter how either of them ‘perform,’ those who support Romney will declare him the winner and those who support Obama will declare him the winner.

      Honestly, do you know anyone who doesn’t know who they will vote for?

  6. Have you heard about this one? Good for this woman…she certainly has brought class and dignity straight to the bully’s face..

    I did notice that this woman stated this issue was all over FaceBook……Is this really the best use of FB that we can come up with?

    • Has the Internet become our weapon? Is this bullying just a normal part of life or has certain groups – ie political, religious corporations- elevated the art of bullying?

      What has happened to the idea that was once so common – just be kind to everyone around you.

    • I just watched that this morning! Yes! Spread kindness, set an example and fight bullying! Yaayyy for all the adults who are nurturing children and spreading goodwill!

      “Never speak of others in a bad way. The negative energy that you put out into the universe will multiply when it returns to you. All persons make mistakes. And all mistakes can be forgiven. Bad thoughts cause illness of the mind, body and spirit. Practice optimism.”
      ~ unknown

      It’s worthy to strive for! Always be kind to yourself too — we all make mistakes!

      • wicked

        Amen on the quote!

      • My rand daughter is in the 1st grade. She brings home her school papers every day and I look them to see what she is learning – what she needs to work on, etc.

        There was a sheet yesterday about feelings. The 1st grader was to draw a happy face or a sad face after reding these ten statements.

        The issues were being kind, standing up for people when they are being made fun of and a few statements about bullying tactics.

        My first thought was – Wow, this is great to see the schools approaching these issues.

        My second thought was – how sad that we now expect our teachers to be teaching the kids on how to be kind to one another and not bully.

        What has happened to the parents/home life in this country?

    • wicked

      Wow. I applaud her for being able to do that without crying, both tears of fury and tears of joy.

      I’ve always felt that those who make it a habit to put down others are really the ones whose self-esteem is horrible. It’s often the only way they can feel better about themselves. Sad stuff.

      • My initial thought was – who has time – or the arrogance – to sit down and send this woman an email about her physical appearance?

        I just don’t have that much free time on my hands – nor the desire to do it – do you?

      • I’ve heard many many comments about the size and shape of both Hillary Clinton and Michele Obama. Usually said by the same people who will toot their own horns about their superior family values, exemplary work ethics, morality, christianity…

  7. Twenty years ago —

    • I just saw a comment on another blog that the person is choosing to vote for the man who paid off his college loans 8 years before entering the White House rather than the man who wants to buy his way into the White House.

      I don’t know if this fact is true (about the 8 yearrs prior to the WH) but it sounded good and it make a very valid point.

  8. rd liebst

    During a debate and half the time I expect such nonsense during one in tit for tat:

    Candidate one: Sir it is said that of your four children you have molested three of them!

    Candidate two in response: Well sir I heard you hate children so much that you have no children!

    Candidate one: Sir it has been reported that you had sex with three women, two dogs and a chicken!

    Candidate two: well sir if you were not Gay you too could be having sex with women!

    Candidate one: Sir what do you have to say about you wear a tong bikini underwear!

    Candidate two: Sir they are much more comfortable then the barbwire jockstrap I have heard you wear!

    Candidate one: Sir what I have to heard is you have six lovers, two wives and or so over sexed that you don’t even have time to remember their names so you just refer to them as 1 through 8! What have you to say to me about that?

    Candidate two: Jealous?

    • What will be will be.

      Besides everyone will choose their opinion and few will be willing to allow any new input to be an opportunity to reevaluate their conclusions.

  9. (from the link): And then he says it.

    “President Obama and I both care about poor and middle-class families. The difference is my policies will make things better for them.”


    Mitt Romney keeps talking about the people whose votes he needs as “them.”

    In the 47 percent video, it was “those people.”

    “I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives,” Romney said.

    But presidential elections are always about the grand national us. They are about we, the people. And when it come to a candidate, they are about me and you.

    As Bill Clinton famously said, “For too long we’ve been told about ‘us’ and ‘them.’ Each and every election we see a new slate of arguments and ads telling us that ‘they’ are the problem, not ‘us.’ But there can be no ‘them’ in America. There’s only us.”

    Mitt Romney’s ‘Them’ Problem

  10. Yesterday Mitten$ said he had no problem with the DREAMers having temporary work permits, and that he would not take away temporary work permits from those who benefit from Obama’s deferred action plan.

    Today, his campaign said the opposite. I’d say I’m surprised, but I’m not.

    Romney’s Immigration Clarification (Re-clarified)

  11. So – what did we all think of the debate?

    Obama is getting hammered on the Huffington Post blog ..

    But I suspect Obama has set a very cagey litte trap for Romney.
    Romney certainly spewed alot o ffacts and…..which can be fact checked. And Romney seemed to have taken some different sides to his issues – so just running the past videotapes to what Romney said tonight – will be s a few campaign ads.

    But – I was thinking that maybe Obama’s mind was not on this debate tonight. Maybe there was something else more important that we have no idea about.

    I would not be surrised if it was something out of the Middle East and I would not be surprised if Romney’s mouth and Netanyahu’s mouth had something to do with it.

    • I haven’t watched the debate yet. I recorded it and after I get hubby and granddaughter fed and off, I’ll listen.

      I’m hoping Romney gave everyone plenty of rope to hang him with. If, like you said above, he gave details, we all will have a heyday! 🙂

      And, if Romney expects voters to ‘just trust him,’ he is ignoring the many positions he’s changed which tell us clearly he can’t be trusted.

      • It’s going to take real discipline to watch this. I’m barely into it and they’ve both bored me. I’m trying, but neither man is holding my attention.

      • wicked

        Good luck. I watched online at C-Span, although it was on TV in the living room. Why? Twitter. Fun to watch what Alec Baldwin, Will Wheaton, Bill Maher and others were tweeting. Believe me, they were not impressed either.

      • WOW! Romney just made a very strong read my lips “I will not lower taxes on high earners, I will not raise taxes on the middle class” statement. WOW!! I think Bush the elder could give him some advice on those type statements. But then, all Romney wants is to be elected and he’s never indicated that lying to get it done would be any problem.

      • wicked

        “I will not lower taxes on high earners, I will not raise taxes on the middle class”

        Obviously Mitt is planning to raise taxes on the 47% he’s written off. Yes, I’m just dying to pay for a new yacht for some 1%er.

      • Romney is speaking so quickly he sounds maniacal. And desperate. I’m unable to hear his words because of this. He’s waving his arms, his voice is raised and his words trip over one another…

      • Well! Fact checkers are going to be vvvvveeeeerrrrrryyyyyy busy. Romney is rude too. He interupts both the moderator and President Obama. Truly, this is the way a maniac behaves.

      • And, there is that sneer on Romney’s face. If he isn’t interrupting, he is sneering. He is a very rude man.

      • I hope someone realizes Jim Lehrer isn’t effective at moderating when one of the participants is a childish maniac. Try as he might, Mr. Lehrer can’t be as rude as Romney and can’t get Romney to follow the rules.

        Romney’s rudeness just underlines my impression of him as a man who expects everyone to follow his rules and cater to his whims. He’s the boss everyone has experienced who demands and bullies — never ever realizes the value of anyone else due to his own over inflated opinion of himself. He is the ruler and the serfs are his to rule.

      • And then Romney dismisses Jim Lehrer as being a buddy to Big Bird and funding will go bye-bye for PBS.

        I agree that Romney seemed desperate, yelling, eyes darting back and forth and those flailing arms.

        All the Reubliccans are basking in the glow of a romney victory – but is it really a victory?

        Obama plays chess while RePUKES play checkers.

      • I’m glad they’re happy. I purposely stayed away from ALL news until I had watched the debate. Now, I’ll go read their gloating. It will be a good change from their crankiness.