Wednesday, 9/19/12, Public Square

Voting for Romney/Ryan is like buying a car without being able to check under the hood, kick the tires and take it for a test drive. Heck they won’t even let you SEE the car.

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32 responses to “Wednesday, 9/19/12, Public Square

  1. Clear, Concise. Truth.

    (from the link): “My job is not to worry about those people,” Mitt Romney said of the 47 percent of Americans who are likely to vote for Barack Obama. “I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

    There will be plenty said about the politics of Romney’s remarks. But I want to take a moment and talk about the larger argument behind them, because this vision of a society divided between “makers” and “takers” is core to the Republican nominee’s policy agenda.

    For what it’s worth, this division of “makers” and “takers” isn’t true. Among the Americans who paid no federal income taxes in 2011, 61 percent paid payroll taxes — which means they have jobs and, when you account for both sides of the payroll tax, they paid 15.3 percent of their income in taxes, which is higher than the 13.9 percent that Romney paid. Another 22 percent were elderly.

    Romney’s theory of the “taker class,” and why it matters
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/17/romneys-theory-of-the-taker-class-and-why-it-matters/

  2. As we listen to Romney, as we listen to the republicans who support him and to those who are acting nervous about him, let’s remember: he is their guy, the one they chose.

    Yep! We were told clearly and frequently they had learned their lesson with McCain and this time they would choose their candidate!

    🙂

    • How long will it take to hear that Romney wasn’t really a ‘conservative,’ and the many other excuses we heard four years ago? I don’t think we’ll hear anything about the party platform that clearly denigrates and suppresses minorities, women and gays and we won’t hear about religious right-wing extremists and I’m convinced we won’t hear about The Tea Party — it will be all about needing to double down on the crazy they’ve changed the word ‘conservative’ to mean. If they truly faced the fact that ‘conservative’ was all about fiscal and personal responsibility before Reagan they might be able to address the challenges they face. Until they do, and as long as they want to be the party of old white men who control everyone else, their appeal will be limited. In fact, their losing streak will get worse due simply to demographics.

      Or is it possible they’ve finally been given enough rope?

  3. (from the link): Conservatives like David Brooks, Peggy Noonan, and Bill Kristol have recognized how small Romney made their party look, but Romney did not. Instead of backing down, he has simply tried to invite others to share in his resentment.

    And yet how many people paying a good deal in taxes have a Pell grant in their past? (I know that I do.) How many were able to focus in school because they weren’t hungry, or keep moving forward without being bankrupted by a death or the medical needs of an elderly relative? Romney doesn’t seem to recognize that people may like certain programs because of where they have brought them, and are allowing them and their children to go—not where they have kept them.

    Any gratitude toward the country we’ve all built, Romney seems to be saying, is misplaced. Instead, the feelings Romney regards as proper ones for the rest of us to assume are a cheerful appreciation of the wealthy and an eager resolve to be just like Mitt—and also a little nicer to him. Romney has reduced the great issues of fairness and a just society to the rather boring question of whether people are being fair to him and his friends, and whether they admire his fine qualities. Among other things, this cannot help him electorally: What is less attractive than a manifestly lucky man sulking about how everyone is jealous of him?

    Mitt Romney’s Resentment
    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2012/09/mitt-romney-mother-jones-video.html

    • As I’ve made the rounds this morning I see the republican meme is “Mitt tells it like it is and is persecuted…”

      whine, whine, whine.

      There’s always an excuse. Never seems to be much accepting responsibility tho…

      • I didn’t Mormons were like the Fundy Evangelical Christians. If these folks could not whine about everything – they could free up 23.5 hours in their day to do something constructive.

  4. I suspect we’ve all heard this story about George Romney being on welfare when he first came back to America.

    The entire story of George Romney is how he went from being a rrefugee on welfare to the Governor of Michigan. And how many opportunities came from the country (taxpayers) – and that is the part these REpublicanns fail to recognize – it takes ALL Ameircans coming togehter to make success stories.

    I don’t know the statitistcs – but I wonder – back in the 60’s – did these corporations just get to go to the taxpayer trough and gorge themselves whenever they needed money? Were corporations given taxpayer-funded subsidies and special tax cuts so they can make record-breaking profits for the CEO’s while laying off hardworking Americans?

    Our priorities are screwed up in this country…….very screwed up.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/19/1133810/-Mitt-Romney-s-dad-was-on-welfare

  5. (from the link): Today Alabama voters go to the polls to decide whether or not to approve an amendment to the state’s constitution that would allow shifting $437 million from the state’s gas and oil drilling royalty trust to the state’s general fund to cover a $150 million budget deficit. Alabama suggested earlier this year that if the measure is defeated it may become the first state in the country to simply quit the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) welfare program, a move that could push more than 40,000 children in the state even deeper into poverty.

    Such a move would have been unthinkable before 1996, when President Clinton signed a welfare reform bill passed by a Republican controlled Congress. Before that, welfare was a federal entitlement program whose budget grew according to need. But the 1996 reforms turned the program into a block grant which gave states a fixed amount of federal money every year, no matter how bad the economy got or how many people were in dire straits. Under the 1996 law, states were also required to spend a certain amount of their own money to receive federal funds.

    Alabama Voters to Decide Whether to Save Poor Kids
    http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/09/alabama-constitutional-amendment-tanf-welfare

  6. I also read this morning that Chick-Fil-A has agreed to stop funding anti-gay organizations. I like good news. I like when anyone decides to stop hurtful acts and move forward doing better!

  7. This is good!

    The Road We’ve Traveled

  8. This is our future? Isn’t suffering under Pastor Sam and his Altar Boys enough?

    http://www.kansas.com/2012/09/18/2495350/kansas-is-13th-fattest-state-according.html

    • Yes, I do believe this is our future if republicans are elected. Doesn’t it also remind you of how Romney / Ryan want to get rid of those pesky Medicare and Medicaid programs?

      • Taking money away from people who are hungry just to turn around and give that same money to corporate buddies to make even more profits – is something I will NEVER understand.

  9. After reading this – I have two questions.

    1) Jerry Morans think this is due to uncertainty in Washington – DUH. Do you think Mr. Morans might also think that the Obstructing Republicans might have something to do with that uncertainty by creating the Do-Nothng Congress?

    2) Did Pompeo vote to end ALL energy tax credits? I thought he still supports the oil and gas tax credits.

    http://www.kansas.com/2012/09/18/2494373/siemens-plans-146-layoffs-at-hutchinson.html

  10. I suspect this is the reason Mitt Romney doubled down on his remarks on that video tape.

    But – let’s look at the big picture – the only people Mitt has left as his chance to win the election are the people that follow Rush Limbaugh.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/rush-limbaugh-mitt-romney_n_1893882.html

  11. As always, Stonekettle Station tells it like it is —

    Mitt Romney: A Simple Test of Character
    http://www.stonekettle.com/2012/09/mitt-romney-simple-test-of-character.html

  12. I am trying to find articles about Pompeo’s stance on ending all energy subsidies.

    I did find this….but how interesting that in order to get rid of all the oil subsidies – the Republicans also want a corresponding reduction in corporate tax rate.

    So….let;s get this straight…..oil companies have been recieving these subsdidies for years longer than the wind, solar and other alternaitve energy sources – but NOW they are willing to forego their billions in subsidies to get the lower coproate tax rate?

    How very big of them…..

    Maybe – the alternative energy guys should be given the same amount of subsidies that the oil guys have received over the decades and THEN we can stop their subsidies at that time?

    Of course, the oil guys will be squealing all the way to their corporate masters..

    http://pompeo.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=282984

  13. While the majority of the focus on Romney’s fundraiser comments has been on the 47% – another comment by Mitt the Twit has me worried – given the fact Mitt has already told everyone he is ready to go to war with Iran and to fight for Israel.

    Romney has already painted the entire Palestinian peole as not wastning peace – so he has written them off. Plans to don othing about the attempt at peace .

    Is this because Mitt the Twit already knows that he would be more than happy to press that nuke button – all in the name of kissing the Fundy christians’s lily-white butts?\

    Our country definitely does not need another G-D war or wars? I still remember John McCain’s speech at the RNC Convention – how many Muslim countries did he list as possible wars? And then threw in Russia and China for extra B.S.?

    Mitt the Twit has disdain for 47% of Americans (as evidenced by his own words) – but this Twit is more dangerous when he could have access to our military.

    You know, Republicans with their own small gun should NEVER be given access to BIG GUNS….

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeast/la-na-romney-mideast-20120919,0,6283408.story

  14. Remember when Sarah Palin made a 30-second soundbite about those evil death panels in the Affordable Care Act?

    This type of counseling program is what she was talking about….

    As one who has been faced with a horrible diagnosis and a horrid prognosis – I can tell you that I made sure that my husband and I were on the same page. And not just – my grown kids – were on the same page as I had decided for myself.

    I’ve worked in the long-term care health care business for a long time – and there are worst things than death.

    I’ve seen doctors actually brag in their discharge summary how they talked the family into choosing life-prolonging procedures and/or treatments – even after the patient and their spouse said NO. One guy in particular bragged that he talked one of their grown children into saying YES to her father’s treatment – of which the father said he did not want.

    Is this really a doctor who treating his patient – or is it because our health care system rewards those who have the most procedures and/or treatments prescribed so they can bill for them?

    IMHO – health care should never be corporatized.

    Besides – I strongly believe in allowing the patient and/or their designated advocate to make the final decision. The doctor should be there to facilitate their wishes.

    But then – we have Republicans who want to get rid of Medicare – so who is going to pay for all unwanted health care?

    Maybe – the pharmaceuticals and doctors that prolong life when the patient has said NO should be made to pay for it?

    http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/19/13945441-in-the-end-making-hard-decisions-about-dying-brings-personal-financial-benefits

  15. For history buffs. 🙂 You gotta laugh to keep from crying.

    A Conservative History of the United States

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/shouts/2012/09/a-conservative-history-of-the-united-states.html

  16. My hope is that he not only keeps speaking, but he always has a microphone close by his mouth. No amount of money could buy this kind of favorable and effective advertising for the Obama campaign! Aren’t you looking forward to the debates!?

    • I heard a pundit just say that the first debate will be Romney’s make or break moment in this election. And then the guy added – Romney has proven himself to be a good debater.

      In what world might that be? The only debates I’ve seen Romney participate in were those GOP pirmary debats – and look at th eother clowns in the room – if Romney is the best, then th e Grand Old Party is not so grand – is it?

  17. (from the link): We continue our Presidential Geography series, a one-by-one examination of the peculiarities that drive the politics in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Here is a look at Kansas, the Sunflower State. FiveThirtyEight spoke with Joseph A. Aistrup, a professor of political science at Kansas State University; Burdett A. Loomis, a professor of political science at Kansas University; H. Edward Flentje, a professor in Wichita State University’s Hugo Wall School of Urban and Public Affairs; and David Kensinger, president of Roadmap Solutions, Gov. Sam Brownback’s policy organization.

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/the-end-of-a-kansas-tradition-moderation/

    If you have time, the comments are interesting too.

  18. (from the link): Romney today: “There’s a tape that came out just a couple of days ago where the president said yes he believes in redistribution. I don’t.”

    It’s one thing to wildly misrepresent your opponent’s positions. But to wildly misrepresent your own?

    Mitt Romney, like pretty much every other American politician, believes in redistribution. Specifically, the “issues” section of his web site says he believes in a progressive tax code, the Medicare program, the Medicaid program, the food stamp program, the Social Security program and pretty much every other feature of the federal government that’s involved in redistributing income.

    I asked the Romney campaign what Romney means when he says he doesn’t believe in redistribution. If they get back to me, I’ll update this post with their answer.

    Yes, Romney believes in redistribution
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/19/yes-romney-believes-in-redistribution/

  19. NOTE: Both Moran and Roberts are on the list.

    (from the link): Forty Republican members of the United States Senate betrayed veterans today when they decided that denying President Obama a victory was more important than spending $1 billion to create jobs for vets.

    The Veterans Job Corps Act of 2012 would have spent $1 billion over five years to put veterans to work tending to federal lands, and in the nation’s police and fire departments. Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) based her plan of FDR’s Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), but Republicans opposed the bill because they said there is no proof that it would work.

    Only 48 more days until we get to go to the polls and vote for candidates who truly do support our troops.

    http://www.politicususa.com/meet-40-senate-republicans-betrayed-veterans-killing-1-billion-jobs.html

  20. Leaked Romney Videos Make The Front Pages Of 41 Swing State Newspapers

    See the list here —
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/leaked-romney-videos-makes-the-front-pages-of-41-s