Monday, 8/20/12, Public Square


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  1. We’ve posed the question: “How far back does the Republican Party want to take us?”

    Well, one member, Todd Akin R-MO, has proven he hasn’t progressed beyond around the 13th century!


    (from the link): The idea that rape victims cannot get pregnant has long roots. The legal position that pregnancy disproved a claim of rape appears to have been instituted in the UK sometime in the 13th century. One of the earliest British legal texts, Fleta, has a clause in the first book of the second volume stating that:

    “If, however, the woman should have conceived at the time alleged in the appeal, it abates, for without a woman’s consent she could not conceive.”

    • Last year, Akin joined with GOP vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) as two of the original co-sponsors of the “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act,” a bill which, among other things, introduced the country to the bizarre term “forcible rape.”

    • R.D. Liebst

      From a time when it was thought that eating certain foods could cause pregnacy. Riding a horse other then side saddle could also lead to pregnacy.

      Daily I seem to be reminded of Abott and Costello and the greatest line in a movie: How stupid can you be? How stupid do you want me to be?

      • Funny you should mention Abbott and Costello – I just gave reference to you on the post from last night.

        How sad that the routine from Abbott and Costello is still so appropriate?

  2. When Conservatives Talk About “Smaller Government” Do They Know What They Want to Cut?

    (from the link): The government spent more on those 5 areas of the federal budget alone than it collected in revenues. Those 5 areas total $2.45 trillion in spending compared to the $2.3 trillion in revenues the government collected in taxes and other income. So – when a conservative says they want “smaller government” – ask them which of those 5 areas they would cut first … because it is mathematically impossible to cut government spending and balance the budget without raising taxes on someone unless you cut many of these programs significantly.

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  3. The Votemaster on the Romney “TO DO” list —

    Most important is the convention speech. Should he go full red meat to get the base to turn out and to hell with the independents or should he try to woo them? When making this decision, he has to remember that Democrats will also be watching and moving sharply to the right will not only motivate the Republican base, it will also motivate the Democratic base. Also of note is that Romney is a somewhat wooden speaker, not unlike Al Gore, and style is as important as content. Obama has a much simpler task. He doesn’t have to worry much about motivating the Republicans; they are already enraged and it is doubtful that anything he says could make them hate him more.

    • Bob White

      Just more “trickle down” waste. This “trikle down” econ theory is exactly like the trickle down that occurs following my elimination of urine, It is certainly more of a “waste” than anything else.

  4. prairie pond

    Face. Palm.

    Kansan in the news again, and once again, SURPRISE, it’s an embarrassment.

    ” A group of House Republicans visiting Israel as part of an official Congressional delegation last summer enjoyed a late night of drinking at the Sea of Galilee that included swimming and, in the case of one member, a little skinny dipping in the place where the Bible says Jesus walked on water.

    The story was first reported by Politico and has been confirmed by ABC News.

    House Majority Leader Eric Cantor was on the trip but was not present for the late night antics. When Cantor was told about what happened, according to Republican sources, he was “livid” and called members of the delegation to say the behavior was unacceptable and must never be repeated.

    The skinny dipper, according to the sources, was Rep. Kevin Yoder, R-Kansas.

    In a statement to Politico, Yoder said: ‘A year ago, my wife, Brooke, and I joined colleagues for dinner at the Sea of Galilee in Israel. After dinner I followed some Members of Congress in a spontaneous and very brief dive into the sea and regrettably I jumped into the water without a swimsuit. It is my greatest honor to represent the people of Kansas in Congress and [for] any embarrassment I have caused for my colleagues and constituents, I apologize.'”

    And we wonder why no one wants to move or stay here?

    • It’s been years and years since my own skinny dippin’ days. We did what we planned — all of us — we drove to the place, we took off our clothes, and, most of us quickly jumped in. There were some exhibitionists who stood on the bank a little longer..

      I’ve never been the only one… That seems to be somewhat of an exercise in futility.

      • But the reason given was the cherry on top of this hypocrisy sundae..

        The Sea of Gallillee is a Holy Site of such religious significance…

        So this Yoder Yokel decides to dip his naked ‘little dipper’ into the Sea to become closer to God – is that really the story he wants to go with?

    • azzzippy

      SIgh. . .and based on a statement by Dana Bash on CNN, I check, and confirm, that Yoder has no Democrat opponent for November.

      Fer Christsakes, even with Jan Pauls and all, you’d think the Kansas Dems — let alone the natIonal party — would make some attempt to find a warm body to recover Dennis Moore’s seat. It’s only been 2 years since a Democrat represented it.

      Put this in the shoot-yerself-in-the-foot category.

      P.S. Re: Skinny-dipping, I don’t give a damn if our congressfolks like to swim in the nude (not good from a PR standpoint, just sayin’), but please –not on an official state visit, and not in water that is regarded as sacred by a large portion of the population.

      Next up: Steve King visits New Delhi and gives out hamburgers.

      • We;ll be rooting for Jan Pauls republican opponent!

      • prairie pond

        Agreed, Zippy. Which only goes to reinforce what a clusterphuck the Kansas Democratic Party is. God, a placeholder would at least be able to step in and salvage something. The KDP. As Bad As You Think.

  5. prairie pond

    I want what they were drinking….

    • On the Huffington Post blog last night – it was said that the Koch Brothers paid for this fact-finding mission. I’m not sure if that was in the article – but it was stated that it was privately funded.

  6. I’ve got a question ….

    There were several people on the Huffington Post blog last night that saw no problem with these bunch of drunken Republicans swimming in the Sea of Galilee.

    My questwions is this –

    What if that had been a bunch fo drunken Palestinians swimming nude in the same Sea of Gallilee – which is considered a holy site in Israel.

    Do you think these same Republicans would be outraged and screaming about the Palestinians dissrespecting the religiious liberty of the Jews?

    To gain respect from others – one must show respect.

    And jumping in naked is NOT showing respect – IMHO

    • Here is another scenario –

      What if this had been a bunch of drunken Muslims in our country and they decided to take a leak on the Washington Monument – would that be okay?

      When in a foreign country, as a guest, and when representing MY country – these elected officials need to show some respect.

      If they cannot hold their liquor – then maybe they need not go on the trip..

      But – what do you expect – this is what happens when the Krazee Kissin Kousins are invited to go on a public outing.

      • prairie pond

        Well, ya know, Romney’s aid told the press to “kiss my ass” and STFU and not ask the candidate any questions while they were on their World Asshole Tour and said it was a “religious site” for the Polish people.

        So.. religious sites are too sacred for the press to ask questions, but not too sacred to take a drunken skinny dip? Word is today that the skinny dip was taken in front of other congresscritters and their families. Yoder was the only one who jumped in without a suit.

        I actually don’t care if anyone goes commando in the water. Done it myself. But for cryin’ out loud, recognize the hypocrisy of these “family values” guys.

        I read today that Yoder also was stopped for DUI and refused a breath test back when he was in the Kansas legislature.

        Does someone have a drinking problem?

      • I know we often use the letters IOKIYAR, but it’s so true. Do they even know the definition of the word hypocrite? How often do we need to point out their words and actions don’t match, they don’t walk the talk…?

        I’ve read their book and understand why they want to make the verses it contains a smorgasbord where they pick and choose. They always pick the verses they think support being superior to women, and gays.

        They’re afraid! Just as rape isn’t about sex but instead it’s about power, these men who wave their gawd book around and use it as their excuse for their behavior are rapists. These power hungry men are raping women in every way — they don’t respect us, they don’t care about anything but their perceived power over us.

        They could talk to some liberal men and if they’re capable of learning they might find out the joys of respecting women. Or maybe the liberal men will keep that secret to themselves and enjoy the benefits.

        Ladies and gentlemen, there is a war on women. Republicans. Will. Not. Win. This. War.

  7. prairie pond

    So… Augusta National has finally decided to join the modern world and admit women? Almost 100 years after women gained the vote they are finally allowed to golf with the men. Of course, it had to be wingnut women who were admitted, but at this point, I’m just glad it is no longer a “no girls allowed” club like on the Little Rascals. Congrats, Condi!–golf.html

    The comments are priceless but only if you have a strong stomach.

    • I’ve heard you can be whoever you want to be on blogs, so maybe I can’t ask this, but: Did you notice how many of the most stupid comments seem to come from women? What’s up with that?

      • I have to wonder if it was not men pretending to be women? I know there are stupid women everywhere….but, damn it…

      • prairie pond

        I think we can safely say that any woman that supports the Republican party and/or votes Republican is stupid. Talk about voting against your own self interests!

      • prairie pond

        And that is not to say, sometimes, that the damn Democrats are any better. They are not great, just not quite as bad as the repukes.

  8. How Romney and Ryan Plan to Close Your Family Planning Clinic
    The GOP candidates envision a one-two punch that will shut down family planning clinics nationwide—even in blue states.

    • One might get the idea that these two Republicans are trying to drive up the number of babies born in order to keep that line of new bodies working for their much-desired wars for profit from here until doomsday?

      I mean seriously, you don’t think that Romney and Ryan are going to send their kids to do the actual fighting – do you?

      • I would like to go on record as being in full support of putting birth control in the water supply. Seriously, one can just see where the most babies are being born and in what conditions these babies are being raised in.

        The Conservative Republicans are consistent though – they consistently want all babies born – and they consistently do NOT want to help provide a thriving environment in which to raise those babies.

        BUT…..if those babies manage to live until the military age – then – SUDDENLY, those Conservative Republicans love those soon-to-be soldiers with all their cold-cold hearts.

  9. I realize this is in Oklahoma -but, damn ….

    I am just curious – I wonder if the principal of this school thinks that a bunch of drunken Republicans swimming (one naked guy) in the Sea of Gallillee – a Holy site in Israel is just a bunch of guys having fun.

    But this girl cannot say ‘hell’ in a speech?


    A funny side note – I was listening to my NPR station last week and a caller from Oklahoma stated that he was a Democrat – he then went on to say – one of seven….

    I laughed so hard, my little grandson looked at me like Grandma had finally flipped one too many times…

    • I have many relatives in Oklahoma, the state where I was born. One of seven might be an exaggeration! 🙂 Another thing about Oklahoma democrats is that they’re not liberals any more than a Massachusetts republican is a conservative. In fact, on many issues I could be considered a Massachusetts republican, if that gives you any insight. I could not, however, ever be mistaken for an Oklahoma democrat!

      • prairie pond

        Out here in Western Kansas, we can hold our Democratic party meetings in a single restaurant booth. And the Progressive Caucus can meet in a phone booth, if one still existed. The LGBT caucus could meet in the front of a two seater car!

  10. This Akin comment is just standard fare for many republican men and even the women who do their bidding. It’s the way they think. In fact, I would be very surprised if the evangelical bigoted idiots even recognize why anyone is having trouble with Akin’s statement. I would be shocked if Paul Ryan finds anything wrong about it! Don’t the verses they choose to heed in their book tell them women are inferior to men, that women have ‘their place’? Romney probably wishes it hadn’t been said. I think Romney understands that he lags President Obama by 15 points with the women’s vote. Besides, Romney will take whatever highly-principled conviction you want him to take!

    • This kind of thining – the woman is always at fault – comes from the idea that Eve tempted Adam – so it was not Adam’s fault, Eve made him do it.

      Big eye roll…

      But when one thinks more clearly about that scenario – one would have to ask why Adam did not use his brain to make his own decision.

      Or maybe that was the problem – there was no brain. One cannot use what one does not possess.

      But I seriously think it all boils down to this – men like this theory that women are to fault for everything because then men can go out and do exactly as they damn well please , and they are NEVER at fault.

      Kinda like when all those Republicans went to Israel, got drunk and went swimming in the sea that holds such a religious significance.

      Another ….big eye roll…

      And – of course, it was out Kansas Bible thumper that decided to dip his ‘little dipper’ into the Sea of Gallilee.

      My, oh my, I wonder if Jesus got a good laugh about that one??

      • But one thing about that ‘Women are to blame theory’ – exactly how did women make those Catholic males cover up the priests molesting little boys?

        That was completely a C.Y.A. operation.

        And we all know what the C.Y.A. means – don’t we?

      • prairie pond

        For those priests, it should have been C.Y. P.P.

      • wicked

        Adam, like most men that came after him, was thinking with his little head, not his big head. In fact, I’m not convinced Eve offered him an “apple.” (Isn’t there something sexual about apples?) Of course it was probably a fig or a date, and she probably wasn’t offering it to him, just holding it out to compare… Never mind. 🙂

  11. Over on Huffington Post blog – the Republican defenders are trying to say that Obama and the Democrats are tryign to use this Missouri Todd Akin guy’s comments about how women’s bodies can shut the whole thing down – if it is a ‘legitimate rape’ as a distraction to the real issue of the unemployment rate.

    Oh…..I swear…..these Republicans did not learn their lesson when the American Women took Rush to taksk for attacking Sandra Fluke – and she was just testigying about access to birth control.

    King Rushbo lost sonsors oover that deal – remember?

    And then the Susan Komen Foundation found out exactly how much power the American women have when they are mad about something.

    WHEN will Republicans learn their lesson?

    As I was driving around doing my errands this morning, the thought suddenly popped into my head.

    I know Republicans hate the fact that a young black man beat their old white guy in 2008 and they have been out to bring Obama down at any costs

    But – what if there is more to this story?

    Just imagine – if a black president is successful. What’s next?……a woman president?

    God forbid……that would just be too much for these Republicans’ cold hearts – wouldn’t it?


    • They’re afraid of losing their power over women. And, they really don’t understand. They probably think they’re gawd’s gift to women and expect to be treated as such.

    • Oh, Hell! Do you think that the collective heads of all the members of the GOP would explode if we elected a black, female, Lesbian non-Christian?

      Dang, what a mess there would be to clean up!

    • Many republicans are obtuse jerks, especially the ones who hold themselves to be superior due to their religion and their exemplary ‘family values.’ This Akin jerk is not much different than the others. Maybe a few of them are more socially adept. I remember the king of obtuse jerks from WEBlog who enjoyed calling me dear and other terms of endearment after I clearly asked him not to. He thought he was such a great guy and seemed to have such fun being an insensitive jerk. There was another whose most oft-made comment to a female was to ask her to bring him a beer or go make him a sandwich. So dull and dense you had to wonder if they could remember to breathe. And they really are too slow witted to understand!

      They’ll probably never acknowledge the 15 point advantage President Obama enjoys among women voters, and certainly never understand what hit them!

  12. Damn, I move to Missouri to get away from the right-wing, FundyCons and look what I get – Akin.

    How freakin’ embarrassing.

  13. Since all this talk of Yoder skinny dipping in holy water while holding himself on the pedestal of family values and Akin’s take on which rape is legitimate and whether or not pregnancy could result is nothing more than a distraction from the important ‘stuff’ republicans want to talk about, why in hell are they talking about it? Why did Romney come out with a statement? Why are republicans defending Akin and Yoder?

    It’s kinda like their criticism of the stimulus. If republican economic policies had been successful, no stimulus would have been necessary.

    • Could it have anything to do with the race to be the majority in the Senate?

      Could it have anything to do with the fact that Akin and Paul Ryan are in agreement on women’s health and reproductive issues?

      Could it have anything to do with women’s rights to have control over their own bodies and the fact that republicans are on the wrong side of that question?

      • I am thinking Romney saw that the Akin dude went way too far…..and Romney knows it.

        Romney may agree with Akin’s view – but even Romney is not that stupid to not come out and try to distance himself and Paul Ryan from the little dude.

        But – how can Paul Ryan distance himself from Akin when it was Paul Ryan that cosponsored that legislation that is straight-down that narrow agenda of Akins’?

        Ah, just another painted corner these Republicans find themselves in and don’t know how the Hell to get out of it……

        Oh, but I have a feeling King Rushbo will ride in to save the day. I went to King Rushbo’s website today and wouldn’t you know – the King is absent from his throne (you, know the Almighty Toilettte) untiil August 21st.

        I will be anxiously waiting to hear what King Rushbo has to say about the Akin dude.

        And I suspect – if Rushbo goes on a 3-day rant demonizing those evil liberals – that will certainly keep this story going and make the Akin’s comments into the Frankenstein monster.


        Can’t wait to see this backfire on all these elephants.

      • Todd Akin will be history before Rush returns! The republicans have counted on that Missouri Senate seat — they will not allow Akin to remain in the race!

        Besides, Akin is too closely tied to Paul Ryan. They really want everyone to ignore the Ryan stances on ‘social’ issues. It’s why he’s on the ticket, yes — to convince the ‘base’ of the conservative creds of Romney, but it can’t be talked about!


    Gaining a majority in the Senate is obviously highly important to the GOP, as amended. Gee, Repo. Akin, did it hurt when that bus ran over you?

    • ker thump…

      Yes, the Senate is that important. They are obtuse jerks but they do recognize how unlikely it is they will win the race for president. Thus the House and Senate are highly desired. They desire four years of gridlock, if they can’t have their way. Go figure.

      The best hope for a Democratic win is that Akin stays in the race for Senator from Missouri.

  15. If you aren’t yet convinced that republicans have no idea, are obtuse jerks, I submit —

    Mike Huckabee Would Like to Remind You That Rape Has Created Some Extraordinary People

    (from the link): Why is everybody so down on rape? This is what Mike Huckabee wanted to know today, on his radio program, which also featured Rep. Todd “Legitimate Rape” Akin as a guest. For instance, did you know that Ethel Waters was conceived when her mother got raped? Do you know what a world without rape would look like? A world without Ethel Waters, that’s what.

    Women should probably be lining up to be raped… /sarcasm

    • Man – oh, man…..the B.S. is flowing so high we all need some chest-high waders….

      I suspected Republicans were full of it – and Huckabee sure seems to prove my point.

      OH, by the way, Huckie, how’s that deep fried chicken sandwich – mighty tasty now that Jesus himself has blessed it -I reckon.

  16. In all seriousness – when talking about this Yoder Yokel from Kansas that decided it was a good thing to go skinny dipping for some religious significance (big eye roll).

    What happened to the days when people had the ability to be ashamed and embarrassed?

    I’ve noticed that about Republicans – especially. These are folks who just do not seem to care who they offend.

  17. So this Todd Akin character seems to be a middle aged white man scared to death of women and minorities. Yes, let’s repeal The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and The Voting Rights Act of 1965 and get back to old white men making the decisions!


    Todd Akin is the Republican candidate for Senate of Missouri and he’s one of the most extreme conservatives running for public office this year. He is so extreme that his Democratic opponent, Claire McCaskill, is absolutely thrilled that he won the GOP primary election. During a radio interview on Fox 2, Akin demonstrated that extremism when asked if we should change or repeal Voting Right Act of 1965.

    Rep. Todd Akin, the GOP’s candidate for U.S. Senate in Missouri, suggested in an interview that it was time to “look at or overturn” the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

    Here’s the video of him saying it–

  18. NEVER FORGET: During the next presidential term THREE Supreme Court Justices turn 80 years old.