None of them see beyond their hate for Obama. They are sore losers! They’re also poor ambassadors for their political party, for their religions, for America, for humanity.
I don’t even know if I have an opinion. I’m sure whatever they did or didn’t do would have been unpopular with some. I hope the horror which was made public stops someone from being complicit in the future. I hope monsters like Sandusky are stopped quicker rather than later. I hope people like Paterno don’t turn blind eyes in the future. I hope the victims can find peace.
I don’t think building statues of live people is a good idea. If you are going to build a graven image to a person maybe wait until that person’s full body of work is available to analyze.
I agree about making those statues of living people….bad idea – IMHO.
What must have those who knew what happened since 1998 – when they decided it was more humane to handle it the way they did by covering it up – I wonder if any of these men were actually thinking with rational thoughts?
One of the recommendations contained in the Freeh Report (little noticed and even less discussed by the media), and which in my opinion was one of the most valuable going forward, concerned the culture at Penn State placing the football program above anything else contributed to the ability to run the cover up. The report recommended that steps be taken to change this culture going forward.
Thus, the emphasis on the culture in the remarks of President Emmert this morning on changing the culture. Not surprisingly, these remarks have been ignored for the most part.
I personally do not feel these sanctions went far enough, yet might have gone too far. If I had been NCAA Czar, my penalties would have included, but not necessarily limited to, the following:
1) Post season ban (bowls, conference championships, and the like) for 14 years.
2) No home conference games for 14 years.
3) An initial scholarship reduction of 11 (the number of alleged victims) the first year, with a reduction in aggregate scholarships from the permitted 85 to 74 for four years. This loss would be reduced gradually by one each year, provided Penn State adopted all recommendations set out in Chapter 10 of the Freeh Report, certified to by an independent monitoring organization.
4) The share of all football generated revenue otherwise going to the football program would instead go to repay the university for any amounts paid in settlement of claims/satisfaction of judgments relating to the wrongful acts of Sandusky. Once that has been repaid, such share of revenue would go to organizations educating about/fighting the effects of sexual abuse of minors, until the 14 year period is over.
5) Vacate the wins as did the NCAA.
6) Mandate the employment of a compliance officer to report to the NCAA and Big 10 monthly.
The goal of all this is to change Penn State from a football program with a university attached to a university with a football program.
617, for the most part, I agree. I thought it was ironic, and a little stomach turning, that Paterno’s family said taking down his statue would not help the victims.
No, it won’t. But JoPa COULD have helped the victims, and he chose not to do so. So cry me a freakin’ ironic river with the “help the victims” line. It could not be more insincere.
And as for penalties? I say take the football facilities, hell, all the athletic facilities at Penn State and burn ’em down. Then salt the earth where they stood. That’ll stop any evil on those sites for at least a little while. Let the smoking ruins remind everyone what happened and why they were burned.
Hey, I’m grumpy too. Just ask my tutee (prepping for final on Thursday). It’s a combination of the weather, stupid people, obnoxious people, and (once again) my ‘residual deficiency’ hampering my ability to do things that need doing. I think I’ll go out and find some kids to kick and dogs to bite. 😦
I received an email yesterday from someone who attended the same HS I did, although he was a few years older and I’m surprised he knows who I am. The email is a forward that rants about Muslims and how they’re destroying the Judeo-Christian roots in this country. Or at least I think that’s the gist of it. It was rant. Do they ever make sense?
Why I received this is a mystery to me, and I really want to let this person know that this kind of thinking is about as anti-Christian as it can get. Or at least impart my disgust of this kind of thing and the fact that the person obviously doesn’t know me or he wouldn’t have added me to the list of recipients.
I’m tempted to simple ask that I not received anymore garbage and end the message with: Matthew 5:43 Either that or a WWJD?.
I know the high school. I know the rant. I know the hate in the name of gawd.
Those rants are sent to as many emails as they can round up addresses for. Sadly, no rebuttal will be read, understood or heeded. The rant wouldn’t have been sent if the sender was capable of rational thought. I do hope a request to be removed from their list will be honored. I have my doubts.
I was on one of those ‘catch-all’ email lists – and my problem was it was one of my dearest and best friends.
She is a devout Catholic, devoted Fox News watcher, dedicated Tea Party and a hard-core Republican.
My problem was how do I respond to this enless email ‘forwrded’ rants/emails without telling her off so badly we can no longer be frirends?
And – I have to add – this woman has been a friend for many, many years. We have always disagreed about politics and religion – but we have never come to blows – before now.
I got yet another one of those rambling rants as to how evil our president is and how he is out to destroy our country – and God himself – because, you know – he is a secret Muslim – wink,wink….you betcha.
This particular email rant was about the Affordable Care Act and something about how if you sell your house, you will have to pay an enormous tax, etc.
Well – I did a Snopes check on the validity of this issue (because I had not heard about it) – and I found out that – as usual – these email rants only tell one kernel of the truth about anything when it comes to Obama. All the rest of their shit is just that …..shit.
So, I decided to send her the link to my Snopes discovery about this issue and I put it as sweetly as possible that I knew her to be an honest person and a devout Catholic person. I was sure that she would not want to spread something that was untrue – so, perhaps she really did not know she was spreading a lie when she forwarded this email to me and countless others on her email list.
I did not get any response from her – but those email rants stopped suddenly. It was a most peaceful time for about 3 weeks – now, I’ve noticed she has added me back on her email/rant list —
This time, it might just have to come to blows between us. I am so sick and tired of these Republicans thinking they can just bully everyone .
Friend or no friend – I am not going to sit back and be quiet.
Besides – if one really is true friend – wouldn’t they be truthful with the other one?
But – in your case – Wicked, this is not a close friend of yourse.
So just tell him the STFU.
Also – tell him that every person has one vote. And you will vote the way you want to vote and he is free to vote the way he wants to.
fnord, I’m the grumpy one. Most of the time, I would’ve ignored the stupid email, but it got to me this time. I’m really tired of dealing with stupid people. If I could move away–far, far away–I’d do it in a New York minute.
indy, there’s no way I would call this person a good friend. I hardly know him. This is obviously one of the drawbacks of having lived in a small town populated by narrow-minded idiots.
Funny you should say that about stupid people, Wicked. I was saying the same thing just yesterday. I’m so tired of “teh stupid” I could scream. Is it just me, or does Kansas, particularly western Kansas, have a higher percentage of Teh Stupid than other places? God, I miss Austin.
… hit send too soon. Hawaii may or may not have the highest educated people in the world, but the spirit of Aloha makes all the difference. In case you can’t tell, along with being sick of Teh Stupid, I’m tired of mean people, too. As the saying goes, “mean people suck.”
Gotta give props to the Jim Henson Company. They not only refuse to partner the Muppets with Chik-Fil-Bigot, but their CEO (a woman, I might add) ordered the financial group to cut a check for the money they received from Jesus’ Chicken and give it to the marriage equality group.
As passed by the Congress: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
Want to frost some ‘originalists’? Point out that the FF did not want a standing Army of any size, thus the concept of a ‘well regulated militia’ found its way into the Second Amendment. There will be loud gnashing of teeth, but it is relatively easy to research. IIRC, a large peacetime military didn’t happen until post-WWII, particularly post-Korea.
I hear all the wailing of how government is _______________ fill in the blank with some outlandish statement meaning ‘out of control on steroids.’ (You do know there is a _____ living in The White House!) Follow that with wailing about how they will be well armed and stocked up on ammo to protect themselves.
But when America pulls tanks to a stop on a neighborhood street in Iraq, when well armed American soldiers enter the neighborhood, those Iraq citizens who fight to protect their homes and families are terrorists and worse.
I just heard a Republican say that buying as many guns and ammo as you want is a constitutional right. And this moron does not think we need any government control over what Americans can purchase.
Oh really? Then wouldn’t that same logic apply to women who want birth control zand aboritons?
Isn’t it a shame we have no trouble getting a stockpile of weapons and ammo but women will soon not be able to get brith control – if the RePUKES continue to have their way.
That’s because – oh, Hell, I’m too grumpy to set out my snarky version of their (incorrect) argument. Suffice it to say those who feel that way think the Second Amendment grants the only absolute Constitutional right known. If you don’t believe me, just ask them.
Sad, but true, Fnord. They Sally and Tam both served the greater good. Too bad the “greater” won’t serve them.
And the Mayor of Houston, an openly gay woman, was on Colbert Friday night. She noted that Houston elected her six times to other office before electing her to Mayor, and she’s been elected Mayor of the nation’s fourth largest city two times. She and her partner have been together 21 years. But neither will be entitled to each others’ retirement benefits or any of the more than 1100 benefits of marriage. She said the same one Colbert.
To quote Yakov Smirnov, “America. What a country.”
“Tonight we cheer the Olympians, who only yesterday were children themselves,” Romney said. “As we watch them over the next 16 days, we affirm that our aspirations, and those of our children and grandchildren, can become reality. We salute you Olympians – both because you dreamed and because you paid the price to make your dreams real. You guys pushed yourself, drove yourself, sacrificed, trained and competed time and again at winning and losing.” …
“You Olympians, however, know you didn’t get here solely on your own power,” said Romney, who on Friday will attend the Opening Ceremonies of this year’s Summer Olympics. “For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We’ve already cheered the Olympians, let’s also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities. All right! [pumps fist].”
DOUBLE STANDARD 101: Only when Obama says it that FOX NEWS puts the insane SPIN on it, then the next day IDIOT Republican Bloggers and Rush Limbaugh make FOOLS OF THEMSELVES by running with the SPIN! But Romney says the same thing, it goes un-noticed! No truth in FOX NEWS, look elsewhere. AMERICA IS NOT STUPID FOX NEWS!!
PrairiePopulistsAndProgressives.net 
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see?
None of them see beyond their hate for Obama. They are sore losers! They’re also poor ambassadors for their political party, for their religions, for America, for humanity.
So, there we have it……Penn State’s punishment issued by NCAA.
What are your feelings about this? Too much, too little or does the NCAA even have a say in what happens at Penn State?
I noticed the statue of Joe Pterno was taken down yesterday – and that caused an uproar.
Exactly what does an institution do after something like these grown men who could not seem to do the decent and honorable thing?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/penn-state-ncaa-punishment-fines-vacate-ban_n_1694219.html
I don’t even know if I have an opinion. I’m sure whatever they did or didn’t do would have been unpopular with some. I hope the horror which was made public stops someone from being complicit in the future. I hope monsters like Sandusky are stopped quicker rather than later. I hope people like Paterno don’t turn blind eyes in the future. I hope the victims can find peace.
I don’t think building statues of live people is a good idea. If you are going to build a graven image to a person maybe wait until that person’s full body of work is available to analyze.
I agree about making those statues of living people….bad idea – IMHO.
What must have those who knew what happened since 1998 – when they decided it was more humane to handle it the way they did by covering it up – I wonder if any of these men were actually thinking with rational thoughts?
indy, since you asked. . . 🙂
One of the recommendations contained in the Freeh Report (little noticed and even less discussed by the media), and which in my opinion was one of the most valuable going forward, concerned the culture at Penn State placing the football program above anything else contributed to the ability to run the cover up. The report recommended that steps be taken to change this culture going forward.
Thus, the emphasis on the culture in the remarks of President Emmert this morning on changing the culture. Not surprisingly, these remarks have been ignored for the most part.
I personally do not feel these sanctions went far enough, yet might have gone too far. If I had been NCAA Czar, my penalties would have included, but not necessarily limited to, the following:
1) Post season ban (bowls, conference championships, and the like) for 14 years.
2) No home conference games for 14 years.
3) An initial scholarship reduction of 11 (the number of alleged victims) the first year, with a reduction in aggregate scholarships from the permitted 85 to 74 for four years. This loss would be reduced gradually by one each year, provided Penn State adopted all recommendations set out in Chapter 10 of the Freeh Report, certified to by an independent monitoring organization.
4) The share of all football generated revenue otherwise going to the football program would instead go to repay the university for any amounts paid in settlement of claims/satisfaction of judgments relating to the wrongful acts of Sandusky. Once that has been repaid, such share of revenue would go to organizations educating about/fighting the effects of sexual abuse of minors, until the 14 year period is over.
5) Vacate the wins as did the NCAA.
6) Mandate the employment of a compliance officer to report to the NCAA and Big 10 monthly.
The goal of all this is to change Penn State from a football program with a university attached to a university with a football program.
Further questions? Just ask.
617, for the most part, I agree. I thought it was ironic, and a little stomach turning, that Paterno’s family said taking down his statue would not help the victims.
No, it won’t. But JoPa COULD have helped the victims, and he chose not to do so. So cry me a freakin’ ironic river with the “help the victims” line. It could not be more insincere.
And as for penalties? I say take the football facilities, hell, all the athletic facilities at Penn State and burn ’em down. Then salt the earth where they stood. That’ll stop any evil on those sites for at least a little while. Let the smoking ruins remind everyone what happened and why they were burned.
Jesus wept. WTF is wrong with America?
And yes, I’m grumpy today too. Did I already ask, “WTF is WRONG with America?”
Hey, I’m grumpy too. Just ask my tutee (prepping for final on Thursday). It’s a combination of the weather, stupid people, obnoxious people, and (once again) my ‘residual deficiency’ hampering my ability to do things that need doing. I think I’ll go out and find some kids to kick and dogs to bite. 😦
617, hey, if any of those tactics work, let me know…
I knew there was a reason I was never fond of Craig T. Nelson. I just didn’t know what it was. Until now.
I received an email yesterday from someone who attended the same HS I did, although he was a few years older and I’m surprised he knows who I am. The email is a forward that rants about Muslims and how they’re destroying the Judeo-Christian roots in this country. Or at least I think that’s the gist of it. It was rant. Do they ever make sense?
Why I received this is a mystery to me, and I really want to let this person know that this kind of thinking is about as anti-Christian as it can get. Or at least impart my disgust of this kind of thing and the fact that the person obviously doesn’t know me or he wouldn’t have added me to the list of recipients.
I’m tempted to simple ask that I not received anymore garbage and end the message with: Matthew 5:43 Either that or a WWJD?.
Really? I mean, really?
Suggestions?
I know the high school. I know the rant. I know the hate in the name of gawd.
Those rants are sent to as many emails as they can round up addresses for. Sadly, no rebuttal will be read, understood or heeded. The rant wouldn’t have been sent if the sender was capable of rational thought. I do hope a request to be removed from their list will be honored. I have my doubts.
The curse of Facebook. I’m considering some major changes in that area.
A request to be removed from the list was my third option. That probably is the least volatile. I was just feeling like doing some stick poking. 😉
Why involve yourself? Seek love, avoid hate.
I apologize for being so grumpy. My ‘tolerance’ is totally empty. But I know how to fill it.
I was on one of those ‘catch-all’ email lists – and my problem was it was one of my dearest and best friends.
She is a devout Catholic, devoted Fox News watcher, dedicated Tea Party and a hard-core Republican.
My problem was how do I respond to this enless email ‘forwrded’ rants/emails without telling her off so badly we can no longer be frirends?
And – I have to add – this woman has been a friend for many, many years. We have always disagreed about politics and religion – but we have never come to blows – before now.
I got yet another one of those rambling rants as to how evil our president is and how he is out to destroy our country – and God himself – because, you know – he is a secret Muslim – wink,wink….you betcha.
This particular email rant was about the Affordable Care Act and something about how if you sell your house, you will have to pay an enormous tax, etc.
Well – I did a Snopes check on the validity of this issue (because I had not heard about it) – and I found out that – as usual – these email rants only tell one kernel of the truth about anything when it comes to Obama. All the rest of their shit is just that …..shit.
So, I decided to send her the link to my Snopes discovery about this issue and I put it as sweetly as possible that I knew her to be an honest person and a devout Catholic person. I was sure that she would not want to spread something that was untrue – so, perhaps she really did not know she was spreading a lie when she forwarded this email to me and countless others on her email list.
I did not get any response from her – but those email rants stopped suddenly. It was a most peaceful time for about 3 weeks – now, I’ve noticed she has added me back on her email/rant list —
This time, it might just have to come to blows between us. I am so sick and tired of these Republicans thinking they can just bully everyone .
Friend or no friend – I am not going to sit back and be quiet.
Besides – if one really is true friend – wouldn’t they be truthful with the other one?
But – in your case – Wicked, this is not a close friend of yourse.
So just tell him the STFU.
Also – tell him that every person has one vote. And you will vote the way you want to vote and he is free to vote the way he wants to.
And let he damn chips fall where they may.
fnord, I’m the grumpy one. Most of the time, I would’ve ignored the stupid email, but it got to me this time. I’m really tired of dealing with stupid people. If I could move away–far, far away–I’d do it in a New York minute.
indy, there’s no way I would call this person a good friend. I hardly know him. This is obviously one of the drawbacks of having lived in a small town populated by narrow-minded idiots.
Funny you should say that about stupid people, Wicked. I was saying the same thing just yesterday. I’m so tired of “teh stupid” I could scream. Is it just me, or does Kansas, particularly western Kansas, have a higher percentage of Teh Stupid than other places? God, I miss Austin.
… hit send too soon. Hawaii may or may not have the highest educated people in the world, but the spirit of Aloha makes all the difference. In case you can’t tell, along with being sick of Teh Stupid, I’m tired of mean people, too. As the saying goes, “mean people suck.”
I don’t know if Kansas has more than our fair share of The Stupid or that we seem to be more of just how many The Stupid we have here?
…and could they bring law and order, along with free and honest elections?
Just sayin’…
Gotta give props to the Jim Henson Company. They not only refuse to partner the Muppets with Chik-Fil-Bigot, but their CEO (a woman, I might add) ordered the financial group to cut a check for the money they received from Jesus’ Chicken and give it to the marriage equality group.
Now THAT is how ya do it!
And ya know, I really hate all this because I loves me some Chik-Fil-A. But I think I can live without it these days.
Either way, well regulated is there.
As passed by the Congress: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/if2nht
So is militia, which is what that is all about and always has been. We have no “militia.” We have a standing army. Therefore… Oh, never mind.
Want to frost some ‘originalists’? Point out that the FF did not want a standing Army of any size, thus the concept of a ‘well regulated militia’ found its way into the Second Amendment. There will be loud gnashing of teeth, but it is relatively easy to research. IIRC, a large peacetime military didn’t happen until post-WWII, particularly post-Korea.
I hear all the wailing of how government is _______________ fill in the blank with some outlandish statement meaning ‘out of control on steroids.’ (You do know there is a _____ living in The White House!) Follow that with wailing about how they will be well armed and stocked up on ammo to protect themselves.
But when America pulls tanks to a stop on a neighborhood street in Iraq, when well armed American soldiers enter the neighborhood, those Iraq citizens who fight to protect their homes and families are terrorists and worse.
America. Land of the free.
I just heard a Republican say that buying as many guns and ammo as you want is a constitutional right. And this moron does not think we need any government control over what Americans can purchase.
Oh really? Then wouldn’t that same logic apply to women who want birth control zand aboritons?
Isn’t it a shame we have no trouble getting a stockpile of weapons and ammo but women will soon not be able to get brith control – if the RePUKES continue to have their way.
I was reading about Bachmann today. I think I know why republicans don’t respect women. Think of some of the most well known republican women…
That’s because – oh, Hell, I’m too grumpy to set out my snarky version of their (incorrect) argument. Suffice it to say those who feel that way think the Second Amendment grants the only absolute Constitutional right known. If you don’t believe me, just ask them.
The rest of the Constitution is up for interpretation? Or maybe the rest should be rewritten to more closely resemble the Bible?
No, since it’s there, no interpretation is necessary. Sometimes I ask what about the Ninth Amendment, and watch their heads almost explode.
Sally Ride – dead at 61 – pancreatic cancer. DAMN all cancers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/sally-ride-dead-dies_n_1696459.html#comments
Today, upon news that Sally Ride, the first woman in space, had passed away, Mitt Romney called her one of America’s “great pioneers.”
Ride’s partner of 27 years, Tam O’Shaughnessy, will be denied federal benefits because of the Defense of Marriage Act.
Sad, but true, Fnord. They Sally and Tam both served the greater good. Too bad the “greater” won’t serve them.
And the Mayor of Houston, an openly gay woman, was on Colbert Friday night. She noted that Houston elected her six times to other office before electing her to Mayor, and she’s been elected Mayor of the nation’s fourth largest city two times. She and her partner have been together 21 years. But neither will be entitled to each others’ retirement benefits or any of the more than 1100 benefits of marriage. She said the same one Colbert.
To quote Yakov Smirnov, “America. What a country.”
The radical right wing 2009 Tea Party says that they are not like the Taliban…
But, but, but fnord; the Taliban aren’t Christians!
Yeah. I forgot there for a moment how superior one religion is.
It’s very difficult to remember how loving, kind and compassionate the Christian religion is when you’re around the practitioners.
Ain’t it the truth.
Got my *Women for OBAMA* sticker in the mail today. I’ll be adding it to my car window. (I don’t “do” bumper stickers.)
“Tonight we cheer the Olympians, who only yesterday were children themselves,” Romney said. “As we watch them over the next 16 days, we affirm that our aspirations, and those of our children and grandchildren, can become reality. We salute you Olympians – both because you dreamed and because you paid the price to make your dreams real. You guys pushed yourself, drove yourself, sacrificed, trained and competed time and again at winning and losing.” …
“You Olympians, however, know you didn’t get here solely on your own power,” said Romney, who on Friday will attend the Opening Ceremonies of this year’s Summer Olympics. “For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We’ve already cheered the Olympians, let’s also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities. All right! [pumps fist].”
DOUBLE STANDARD 101: Only when Obama says it that FOX NEWS puts the insane SPIN on it, then the next day IDIOT Republican Bloggers and Rush Limbaugh make FOOLS OF THEMSELVES by running with the SPIN! But Romney says the same thing, it goes un-noticed! No truth in FOX NEWS, look elsewhere. AMERICA IS NOT STUPID FOX NEWS!!