Tuesday, 7/17/12, Public Square


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  1. Misconceptions and Realities About Who Pays Taxes


  2. Read the one-page article in its entirety. It has some great one-liners to start your day with laughs!


    (FROM THE LINK): The bottom line in all these questions is this: These are the decisions — the vice president, the choreography of the convention—with which a nominee makes the party his own, erases that which preceded him.

    Who, in this context, is Mitt Romney? An ex-governor who can’t discuss his record, and an ex-capitalist who … is getting close to the point where he can’t discuss his record. And who has been afraid for two years, or more, lest he offend Rush Limbaugh and Fox. This is not his Republican Party. It’s theirs. And Romney has given us no reason to think that will change.


  3. (FROM THE LINK): A recent Fox News poll found only 27 percent of Americans think Romney has a plan to revive the American economy. By comparison, 41 percent of registered voters think Obama has a clear plan. That is a 14-point gap.

    It is interesting to note only 49 percent of Republican voters in the same poll said Romney has a plan to improve the economy. By contrast, 72 percent of Democratic voters said Obama does.

    The same Fox poll also asked voters, “Who do you think will do a better job looking out for you and your family during tough economic times?” Forty-seven percent said Obama and 36 percent said Mitt Romney.

    What is true in poker is true in politics. You can’t beat something with nothing.

    And right now, voters are coming to the conclusion that when it comes to credible plans to fix the economy, Republicans have nothing.

    This perception will be a huge drag on Romney’s presidential campaign but it is also a problem for GOP congressional candidates running with Romney.

    Can they claim to be creating jobs or simply blocking Obama’s job creation efforts?


    • R.D. Liebst

      The differences I am seeing is that the President is looking at what is here and now and going from there. while the likes of Romney is pointing to the kind of sort of might actual in a prefect world be the could be case and then going from there! That and that moisture that the listener feels on their leg is the rain…

  4. I read Romney ‘outsourced’ the Olympic uniforms when it was his decision. Nothing new under the sun.In fact, go out and try your hardest to find clothes Made In America.

  5. Perhaps Romney should seek advice from Martha Stewart about how to handle the SEC?

    • You ever wonder why Martha had to go to prison but some of these other people seem to get off without even being charged?

      Do you think it had something to do with her being a woman?

      You know, we have to keep these women in their place and show them who’s boss.

  6. prairie pond

    Lawrence ripped Limbaugh last night on MSNBC. Rush accused Obama of smoking weed and snorting coke in college while Romney was building the country. Rich stuff from the drug addicted college dropout who “flunked everything” according to his mother. There’s no hope or help for the rushbots. They are beyond the reach of fact or reason.

  7. R.D. Liebst

    Pond no one like to feel stupid and watching Rush assures them that they are not being stupid just within a select group of like minded people who perceive the world in a less then realistic fashion and lacking an objective form of perception… Ok you know…. stupid people!

    • Rushbo knows where the most money is to be made – so he has manipulated that particular population of people for a long, long time..

      So goes the saying….. a fool and his money are soon parted?

  8. Anything like this from the Beagle? The primary is close. Anyone have recommendations, warnings, advice about this upcoming election? What about state wide offices?

    The KC Star checks all the right boxes. We need candidates who

    1) Support schools first
    2) Are independent thinkers
    3) Will represent their local communities and
    4) Are not in Gov. Brownback’s pocket

    The Star’s recommendations | Kansas House needs defenders of schools

    Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/07/15/3704605/the-stars-recommendations-kansas.html#storylink=cpy

  9. Just type in your address and it will build your sample ballot and allow you to read about the candidates on that ballot:


    • My Republican ballot is filled with people I don’t want to see elected! I’ll vote against incumbents. When there isn’t an incumbent, I will vote against the stronger and most decidedly radical right-wing nutjob and then look forward to the general election when my registered status doesn’t limit my vote! Moderates are few and far between in the republican world of Kansas.

      • In the race between Marc Bennett and Kevin O’Connor for District Attorney, Keven O’Connor seems to be the most radical of the two! Anyone have any input on either of these two candidates? I’ve read their answers to the questions posed at the link above where you build your ballot. I’d like to hear more if anyone knows more.

      • I also would appreciate any input anyone could provide on the race between Linda Kirby and Phil Journey. As I said above I wouldn’t like to see either of them elected but one of them will be so I need facts. Today’s mail brought a flyer from Linda Kirby and she sounds about as bad as can possibly be — in a piece asking for my vote so you know she is putting a ‘positive’ slant on that piece!

        Here’s one of her ‘selling points’ used on the flyer:

        Remove Phil Journey. We cannot afford another term of his liberal spending spree of therapeutic social services for DUI offenders…

        I guess she wants to be sure prisons are full and fuller. Yeah, that’s the ticket! That’s the best way to rehabilitate people with addictions. And there is a bunch of money to be made in the prison system!

      • I know both candidates for DA, and both those in the judge’s race you reference. On the latter, these are two people for whom I would never vote. Phil is a good guy, but never impressed me with his overall legal knowledge (with the exception of the Second Amendment). Linda’s practice has been, in my experience, limited to the areas of taxation and Estate Planning (in which she is highly competent).

        As to the two gentlemen seeking the office of District Attorney, I would not vote for Mr. O’Connor for code enforcement officer in Bel Aire. That should tell you all you need to know.

      • Thanks! I appreciate the info!

      • Is O’Connor from Bel Aire? If so, does he work for city as a police officer? Just wondering…..it would explain alot..

  10. Found this interesting list while surfing the Internet. I am posting this because of our discussion last week – when I was questioning my faith in God.

    Plus, it’s always good to see there are other people – besides me – that find these Rabid Religious Righties to be insufferable.

    Prairied Ond – I am starting to believelie I imay just be a Deist. But, who knows, I may change my mind…..LMAO


    • This is not the first rodeo Romney has been to – is it? How many times has Romney run in some political campaign race and this Bain Capital issue is always front and center?

      For that reason alone – Romney and his campaign staff – should never be allowed anywhere close to the White House.

      If Romney and his campaign staff truly think that they can get by with simply having Mitt make the same statement but never answering this ever-increasing questions about signed document for 3 years after he left Bain in 1999 – then is this what we can expect from a potential President Romney?

      That sounds more like a dictator – or the very least – the Emperor that had no clothes.

      Do we remember that story? Just ebeause the little emperor says something – does not make it true.

    • Another insightful comment by George Will, great Cubs fan who happens to make observations from a conservative (very traditional conservative) perspective.

      • Back when conservative was a more respectful ideology.

      • Yes. What do you expect from a crew who thinks William F. Buckley, Jr. was not a “true conservative”, and in fact (according to some) was a Socialist.

      • The Grand Old Party has been watered down when the Krazy Kousins hijacked the family reunions.

        Reagan started this downward spiral of the GOP when he let Jerry Falwell and his Moral Majority into the inner circle.

        On a serious note – I think the Establihsment Republicans are about to throw in the towel on Romney getting in as president. There are more and more of the old GOP coming out and tellling him to release his tax returns.

        But how can Romney do that when he has had to bow down to the Rabid Religious Right and the Teabaggers just to survive the GOP primary?

        These FAr Right Wingers are the ones running the show – aka Krazy Kousins at the family reunion.

        I look for Romney to lose and the start of the GOP implosion will be commencing about the time Obama takes his second oath of office.

  11. Just let these Republicans keep showing their butts to the world and at some point in time – the majority of Americans will tell them STFU.


    • Obamacare needs to be improved. It’s a first step toward solving a decades-old problem that must be solved. And, it beats what is being offered by the republicans! I think one of my favorite parts of Obamacare is that our elected representatives will have what we have. Can’t think of a better way to ensure improvements are made where improvements are needed!

      • Might I add that Republicans have been promising helath care reform for many , many years. In fact, the ACA was modeled after many of the GOP ideas.

        Imagine that…..

  12. Texas is the most reliable and largest Red State in the republican column, but the problem for republicans is demographics. Texas is currently 37% Latino, but in less than 20 years a majority of the state’s population will be Latino. Texas is changing and if Republicans keep alienating Latino voters with discriminatory policy proposals and Latino bashing, the Lone Star State will someday switch from red to blue.

    • Can’t we just let them secede now and then when they do turn blue – we pull a Romney? You know, retroactivate them into being a state in the USA?

      clarification: Romney’s defender Ed Gillisepie – said that Romeny retired ‘retroactively’ to 1999……..

      • At some point he finally realized Bain’s activities weren’t going to be easily explained, or popular, during his presidential campaign so he had to retroactively resign.

    • prairie pond

      Texas is the largest red state, but I don’t think it’s the most reliable. I think that honor goes to Kansas.

  13. I read this comment on Facebook. I don’t know the ins and outs of Mormonism so don’t know for sure about the accuracy of this comment. I am reminded of The White Horse Prophecy which I read some about, and it did include info about the planets of people to rule over. If I remember correctly, Earth is one of the planets that would be his to rule.

    It is good to remember that under the Mormon religion, Romney is as close to becoming a God as Jesus or Satan. They are all the same, under the Mormon religion. Romney is expected to get his own planets populated by humans when he dies. Just thought you should know,. we aren’t just voting between two men, here, one of them is becoming a God!

    • Reading your last statement made me have a flashback to the first ‘Ghostbusters’ movie. Remember when they were on the roof top and that intergalatic chick showed up and asked Dan Ackroyd’s character, Ray ,if he was a God – and Ray answered – NO. Then this chick told them they would all die and shot out some lightning or something and they were all about blown off the rooftop.

      What did Bill Murray’s character tell that Ray person? Something to the effect that- whenever you’re asked if you’re a God – you say YES…

      That is how much credibility I give these views of Mormonism. People are free to believe what they want – but seriously, dude and dudettes, I was given a working brain to use.

  14. Judge bars enforcement of voter ID requirements

    Circuit Judge David Flanagan ruled that Wisconsin Act 23, the voter ID law, “tells more than 300,000 Wisconsin voters who do not now have an acceptable form of photo identification that they cannot vote unless they first obtain a photo ID card.”

    That requirement, he wrote, imposes a “substantial burden” upon a significant proportion of state residents who are registered or eligible to vote because of the cost and difficulty of obtaining documents needed to apply for a state photo ID. That creates a “substantial impairment” to the right to vote guaranteed by the Wisconsin Constitution, he wrote.

    Read more: http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime_and_courts/article_0f7d9fea-d05d-11e1-81ef-001a4bcf887a.html#ixzz20vcZBzdS

  15. Economists Agree Romney’s Plan Would Spark a New Recession
    Austerity and Tax Cuts for the Rich Would Cripple Economic Growth

    Here’s what an array of economists are saying:

    –Joel Prakken, chairman of economic forecasting firm Macroeconomic Advisers, asks the directly pertinent question: “Are all these things going to reduce the unemployment rate from eight to five in two years?” No, he says, because Gov. Romney’s ideas “would do little to stimulate aggregate demand in the short run. The reason that unemployment is as high as it is inadequate aggregate demand, not inadequate supply.”

    –Mark Hopkins, senior adviser at Moody’s Analytics, states plainly that “on net, all of [Romney’s] policies would do more harm in the short term. If we implemented all of his policies, it would push us deeper into recession and make the recovery slower.”

    –Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz is more blunt: “The Romney plan is going to slow down the economy, worsen the jobs deficit, and significantly increase the likelihood of a recession.”

    –James Galbraith, business professor at the University of Texas at Austin, worries that “if applied, these fiscal measures would be utterly draconian. The attacks on Medicare and Social Security would throw large portions of the population into poverty.”


    • I guess this all comes as no shock to me, even without the astute comments cited above. While one may have great arguments about economic theory, and which comes first – supply or demand – common sense dictates that no provider of goods and services can remain in business unless there is demand for that supplied. If this was not so, then advertising would not be necessary.

  16. And, there is this resounding support from McCain who says it wasn’t something in those 23 years of Romney tax returns behind his decision to choose Palin as a running mate. Nope. So, Romney was, at best, a second for VP. Behind Caribou Barbie. Sarah Palin was much more qualified. She was the best in the entire country, from among all the other contenders! Does this high praise tell you where Romney falls as a candidate for president?

    “We thought that Sarah Palin was the better candidate than Romney.” — John McCain, 7/17/12

    Wonder why I can’t get the old saying, “With friends like these…” out of my mind?

    • The phrase “Damning with faint praise” seems to be applicable to Mrs. Palin, too.

      BTW, I think Mitten$ (hat tip to fnord) has another “friend” he could do without: John Sununu. Then, there is guano crazy doing her impersonation of Joe McCarthy. Glen Beck’s crazed conspiracy theory comments have been seized upon by Egyptian protesters. Makes one wonder how anyone could be comfortable with “friends” like these. Then there’s Rush. . .

  17. wicked

    For those of you who are watching HBO’s The Newsroom and for those who aren’t but are interested, here’s a link to an NPR interview with producer and writer Aaron Sorkin. It’s long (45 min), but you’ll get a taste of what this is all about.


    I saw a YouTube of the first episode, and if I can hunt it down again, I’ll share it. Definitely worth the time!

    • The younger tells me that the attempt to recreate West Wing is being panned by critics who have seen the first four episodes, as the universal complaint is that it rapidly deteriorates in quality with each subsequent episode.

  18. prairie pond

    Late to the party here, but I’m wondering if you guys happened to see this today. OMG. A montage of Bush’s “awesome” eight years when he was, ya know, famous and stuff.


    Jesus wept. Really. And you will, too.

  19. prairie pond

    Some times I am so ashamed to be an American…

    • And the last damn thing anybody needs is John Sununu telling people that Obama needs to learn to be an American.

      Who the Hell is John Sununu and why the Hell am I supposed to care what this fat old white fart thinks?

      • John Henry Sununu served as the 75th Governor of New Hampshire (1983–89) and later White House Chief of Staff under President George H. W. Bush. Time magazine dubbed him “Bush’s Bad Cop” on the front cover on May 21, 1990. Sununu was born in Havana, Cuba, the son of Victoria (née Dada) and John Saleh Sununu, an international film distributor. He is of Palestinian and Greek descent. His father grew up in Jerusalem and his mother was born in San Salvador, El Salvador.

        CONTROVERSIES (according to wiki):

        Sununu angered some when he was the only governor of a U.S. state not to call for repeal of the controversial UN General Assembly Resolution 3379 (“Zionism is Racism”). He later reversed his position on this issue and supported the Republicans’ pro-Israel 1988 platform.[9]

        As White House Chief of Staff, Sununu reportedly took personal trips, for skiing and other purposes, and classified them as official, for purposes such as conservation or promoting the Thousand Points of Light.[14] The Washington Post wrote that Sununu’s jets “took him to fat-cat Republican fund-raisers, ski lodges, golf resorts and even his dentist in Boston.”[14] Sununu had paid the government only $892 for his more than $615,000 worth of military jet travel.[15] Sununu said that his use of the jets was necessary because he had to be near a telephone at all times for reasons of national security.[16] Sununu became the subject of much late-night television humor over the incident.[14] Sununu worsened the situation shortly afterwards when, after leaking rumors of financial difficulties in his family, he traveled to a rare stamp auction at Christie’s auction house in New York City from Washington in a government limousine, spending $5,000 on rare stamps.[17] Sununu then sent the car and driver back to Washington unoccupied while he returned on a corporate jet.[17] In the course of one week, 45 newspapers ran editorials on Sununu, nearly all of them critical of his actions.[18]

        Sununu repaid over $47,000 to the government for the flights on the orders of White House counsel C. Boyden Gray, with the help of the Republican Party.[19] However, the reimbursements were at commercial rates, which are about one-tenth the cost of the actual flights; one ski trip to Vail, Colorado alone had cost taxpayers $86,330.

    • I am always ashamed of the people who tout themselves as more American than another American.