Friday, 4/13/12, Public Square


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46 responses to “Friday, 4/13/12, Public Square

  1. r.d. liebst

    Still having sore throat and ahh well the other end “probed” with a scope it is a sore subject. I objected and thought of every reason under the sun to aviod it. Other then some pulups (misspell I think) everything checked out OK. But such a procedure should be the person’s decision not some Politician who only wants to make some brownie points with others who are equally involved and have no real interest other then their mindless point to be made.

  2. Good morning wicked and r.d. Looks like we’ll see some sun today, and maybe more rain. Ah, spring. Allergies have kicked my butt this spring.

    • wicked

      I’m sure the Mormon Church finds lying sinful. And what Romney does is sin. It’s one or the other, Mitt, not what suits you at the moment, whether that moment is a day ago or four years ago.

      Can you imagine what kind of friend this man is?

      Flip-flopping shows weak character.

      If you’re not sure how you feel about something, if you’ve honestly changed your mind about something over a period of time, be a man (or woman) and admit it. STOP LYING TO YOURSELF AND OTHERS.

      • One fact is clear: if women are paying attention, Mitten$ is losing.

        I read someplace he would be going after the bazilloinare dog-hating vote. Seems that’s the only voting block not yet alienated.

  3. Kansas courthouses are closed today because the GOP legislature failed to pass a budget.

    When most employees fail to do their job, they get fired. When GOP legislators fail to do their job, 1,500 Kansans are locked out of their offices.

  4. indypendent

    I heard Richard Land – Leader of the Southern Baptists – on the radio the other day saying that Evangelical Christians will embrace Romney.


    Santorum -the Evangies favorite – went on for how many months telling us that Romney is just like Obama?

    But yet these same Evnagleicals were so proud that they would never comprormise with Obama and Democrats becaist it was against their ‘moral principles’.

    NOW these same ‘morally principled’ people are going to embrace Romney?

    If this is what moral principles look like in the Evangelical Christian World – no wonder a flip-flopping Mormon guy is okay with them – as long as he can possibly beat the black man in the White House.

    Which, btw, is what I suspect is the REAL reason these Evangelicals hate Obama.

    When I graduated from that Fundy Baptist College – several students from the Southern STates (the GOP base) were the ones who tried unsuccessfully to convince me the Bible refers to the blacks as the beasts in the field.

    • You’ve got to give credit to the voters — they’ve said all along “Anybody but Obama.” They’ve made it perfectly clear what mattered, and the character, the policy positions, the morality of the “Anybody” has never mattered.

      • indypendent

        Yeah, but like the true Southern Belles of the olden days – they did protest too much – while all the time being ready, able and more than willing to go to bed with the winner of the primary.

        If I were Rush – I might insert a few names here that would characterize a Southern Belle willing to lay down with anybody – let’s see – the words ‘slut’ and ‘prostitute’ comes to mind?>

      • Yes I heard them all ranting and raving about how ‘the establishment,’ and certainly not the media was going to choose their candidate this time.

        I laughed when they said it, and am still laughing.

        Now just like the flip flopper “they choose” for their candidate, they’ll begin flip flipping about how great he is.

        I’ll keep laughing at them, they’re funny! And they still don’t have the votes it takes to win at the national level.

  5. We’re told that Mitt Romney will soon move to the center. Here’s the problem with Mitt Romney’s center. He has everything he needs materially for him and his family. He’s already turned his back on his greatest achievement. What does he have to lose, except the presidency?

    Until he stops running for President, you can find Mitt Romney’s center wherever Karl Rove, Roger Ailes and Pat Robertson decide it needs to be.

  6. People have been ‘fleshing out’ any possible differences in RomneyCare and ObamaCare. They found some differences! Yep! RomneyCare covers abortions and undocumented immigrants. It also has the equivalent of a public option.

  7. Women make up about 53 percent of the U.S. electorate. The recent flap over Ann Romney working hard (and let’s face it, staying home would be a tad more difficult when you first have to decide which home you’ll stay home in) showed the power of social media and the importance with which both campaigns view their efforts to appeal to women.

    As we’ve known for quite some time — it is the year of the woman! Guess what? That doesn’t bode well for the republicans. 🙂 It will take a bunch more to sway women than words, tweets, accusations…

    We watch the actions of republicans at all levels and know where the support is and isn’t!

    • indypendent

      Since we now have the Romneys and the rest of the Republicans on the record as viewing stay-at-home moms as working – then why don’t these same folks pass some legislation like Germany has those benefits for parents to take time off work when they have children.

      Or, better yet, why not just encourage our employers here in the US to pay living wages to all employees and get our health insurance away from our employer-sponsored type we have today?

      Like I said yesterday – my DIL works for the health insurance. If they could get health insurance through Medicare for all type plan and my son’s employer paid a living wage – then my DIL could and would stop working.

      But we are the lucky ones – I am the grandmother who is able to only work part time on the weekends in order to provide day care for my grandkids. I stopped working full time when the granddaughter (who is 6 yrs old now) and, beleive me, it has been a hardship on us. My husband and I could certainly use two full-time paychecks coming into our household.

      But I CHOSE to stop working full time in order to provide day care for my granddaughter. And I do it for free – because family is MY priority.

      But not every woman has the luxury to make the same choice – some women are single parents – some women want to work because that is their choice.

      And being able to make that choice is what the Women’s Movement was about – or it should have been.

      But, once again, we have to have this feud between working moms and stay-at-home moms. Why? Just to divide and conquer to make political points?

      But I have to give Obama and his Campaign staff kudos for coming out and defending Ann Romney over that strategist’s comments. It kinda took the wind out of the Republicans’ sails – huh?

      I suspect that if Republicans keep beating this particular drum about Obama hating stay-at-home moms – it will cause a backlash even bigger than the one against Susan G. Komen foundation. And that was not pretty…..

      • indypendent

        BTW – I thought our First Lady Michelle Obama’s tweet was the best one of the bunch….

        After all, Michelle Obama is also a stay-at-home mom – isn’t she?

      • She is now, she hasn’t always been. She also has lots of help — housekeepers, cooks… NOW, just like Ann Romney has always had. I’m pretty sure it’s easier to concentrate on parenting when you don’t have to shop for, prepare and clean up after the meals. I’m sure it’s easier to concentrate on parenting when you don’t have to give a second thought to whether there is enough money to buy food.

        I was a single Mom. I worked multiple jobs. Even when I came home from those multiple jobs, I typed papers for college kids. I didn’t have the money to buy food. Been there, done that.

      • wicked

        fnord, you’re definitely a good and strong woman who deserves a ton of admiration.

        I was a stay-at-home mom. Not working meant that we didn’t have as much as many of our friends had. But I’ve also done the working mom thing, too.

      • Thank you wicked, but I shouldn’t have made it sound like I’ve had experiences different than millions of women. I think we’re in the majority, neither Ann nor Michelle are. That’s probably why this silliness seems so … silly, to most of us.

        Words. Mean. Nothing. When. Put. Up. Against. Actions.

        And, I don’t think being a stay-at-home farm Mom, like you were, compares except in the part about not being paid.

      • indypendent

        I’ve been both a stay-at-home mom when the kids were in elementary school. But I went back to work full time when my youngest was in junior high.

        But what I find so frustating about Republicans and this issue of motherhood is that each woman should decide, for herself, if she wants to work outside the home or stay at home with the kids.

        Republicans seem to have this idea that every woman should be a stay-at-home mom and if she does not chose to do – then she is somehow an evil person that hates men and hate being amotehr.

        Where does that crap come from?:

  8. indypendent

    Let’s face it – by the two examples of website links I have posted here (and there were many others to choose from) – both sides of this issue is going to try to prove they’re right.

    But the bottom line is this – I heard a guy on NPR who helped Mitt Romney develop his Romneycare plan and this guy was also on board to help with Obamacare – and this guy said that they are the same plans.

    I am trying to find a link to that NPR story but I don’t remember the guy’s name and I have not found a link yet.

    Anybody else hear this show on NPR about a month of 6 weeks ago?

    • indypendent

      Found it on NPR… This is rather lengthy but the guy was very good on the radio show. He did break it down to at least basic terms (which, is a blessing – LOL)

      • indypendent

        This was in October …… damn, I thought it has only been a month of 6 weeks ago? I must NEED another cup of coffee…LMAO

    • Romney has said ObamaCare used RomneyCare as a model! First, he encouraged President Obama to use it as a model and later took credit for just that!

      Of course, that was the 2008 Romney. Who knows when he’ll flip back? He’s proven only one thing to me — he’s very willing to say whatever it takes to get elected. Beyond that, who knows for sure?

      His words mean absolutely nothing! Have you seen any actions that benefit anyone who isn’t uber wealthy? Me neither.

      • indypendent

        Many have criticized Mitt Romney for being too stiff and not able to relate to the average American.

        Oh, but his wife Ann says that Mitt is not stiff when you ‘unzip him’

        I don’t even want to know……..LMAO

      • indypendent

        But, of course, Ann seems to be the Mitt’s Economic adviser and also the Womens Vote adviser.

        On both counts – is that all you’ve got Mitt?

      • Not ‘stiff’ when you unzip him. They have pills for that!

      • It isn’t just Romney’s words that have absolutely no meaning. I could go round up all the words said in the campaigns of all the republicans elected in the 2010 mid terms, we could then compare those words to what they’ve actually done, what they’ve actually tried to do — whether successful or not — and we’d see words from republicans mean absolutely nothing!

        Actions! That’s what women see. That’s also the problem all republicans have with the women’s vote. Until they realize that, they’ll continue to have problems.

  9. indypendent

    The attitude and integrity of any company comes from the top down – read this about Roger Ailes and Enough Said?

  10. Here’s a sampling of ACTIONS President Obama has taken to prove he respects, values, supports economic opportunities, and works for women —

    Since President Obama took office, women have gained 1,166,000 private sector jobs. Women now make up more of the workforce than they did in January 2008 before the financial meltdown.

    The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act was the first bill that President Obama signed into law, making it easier for women to fight pay discrimination and get equal pay for equal work.

    President Obama extended the payroll tax cut, which provided an average of $1,000 in tax relief for nearly 75 million women.

    The Obama administration has supported more than 16,000 loans to small businesses owned by women, totaling more than $4.5 billion.

    The President and his administration are promoting STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math) careers to women and girls. Women who hold STEM degrees and jobs earn 30 percent more than women in non-STEM jobs.

    Now take a look at a sampling of the ACTIONS against women by republicans.

    1) Republicans not only want to reduce women’s access to abortion care, they’re actually trying to redefine rape. After a major backlash, they promised to stop. But they haven’t yet.

    2) A state legislator in Georgia wants to change the legal term for victims of rape, stalking, and domestic violence to “accuser.” But victims of other less gendered crimes, like burglary, would remain “victims.”

    3) In South Dakota, Republicans proposed a bill that could make it legal to murder a doctor who provides abortion care. (Yep, for real.)

    4) Republicans want to cut nearly a billion dollars of food and other aid to low-income pregnant women, mothers, babies, and kids.

    5) In Congress, Republicans have a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life.

    6) Maryland Republicans ended all county money for a low-income kids’ preschool program. Why? No need, they said. Women should really be home with the kids, not out working.

    7) And at the federal level, Republicans want to cut that same program, Head Start, by $1 billion. That means over 200,000 kids could lose their spots in preschool.

    8) Two-thirds of the elderly poor are women, and Republicans are taking aim at them too. A spending bill would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens.

    9) Congress just voted for a Republican amendment to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers, one of the most trusted providers of basic health care and family planning in our country.

    10) And if that wasn’t enough, Republicans are pushing to eliminate all funds for the only federal family planning program. (For humans. But Republican Dan Burton has a bill to provide contraception for wild horses. You can’t make this stuff up).

    • indypendent

      Birth control for wild horses but not for American women? Wow – ……

      what can one say to that???

      • indypendent

        Hey – just thought of something to say …… providing birth control to wild horses is AGAINST my RELIGIOUS LIBERTY……..

  11. indypendent

    Here’s another opening for the motherlode of playing the victim card on Obama hating mothers.

    Damn – I wish just once people would look at the context of the entire comments this Hilqary Rosen said.

    But – then again – taking things out of context and using them as your weapon is akin to gossip, innuendos and outright ‘making stuff up’ – isn’t it?

    Notice where Ms Sarah claims that Rosen has the president’s ear. Rosen, as I understand it, is a CNN employee – nothing to do with the Obama White House or their campaign.

    I suspect the Republicans will get big too big for their panties (again) and try to keep this issue going. I don’t think the average working woman in America is going to take too kindly to be told that the wife of a multi-millionaire had the luxury of making that choice to stay at home rather than working is now, somehow, the victim?

    Most working women I know are too busy trying to keep their jobs, keep their health insurance (if they’re lucky enough to have it), keep their day care fees paid, mortgage/rent paid and kids fed to worry about some rich woman and her perceived ‘victimization’.

    Besides – Sarah Palin’s audience has dwindled immensely in the past 4 years – hasn’t it?

  12. I’m sure this makes sense and is equitable. After all, men receive child support too. /sarcasm

    Iowa parents who receive child support on behalf of their kids would be required to submit to drug tests as frequently as every six months under a controversial amendment to a budget bill that was laughed at and ultimately withdrawn today in the Senate.

    The proposal came from Sen. Mark Chelgren, R-Ottumwa who said he was pushing the idea on behalf of an unidentified constituent who believed his ex was using child support money for illegal drugs.

    A person paying child support under Chelgren’s proposal could require the recipient to a drug test every six months as long as they pay the costs.

  13. A life-threatening, large outbreak of tornadoes is forecast to unfold across the central and southern Plains this weekend.

    According to Chief Meteorologist Elliot Abrams, “The risk is about as high as it gets.”

    Oklahoma City and Wichita lie in the heart of the tornado threat area that extends from near Wichita Falls, Texas, to near Omaha, Neb., late Saturday afternoon through Saturday night.

    Despite a seemingly tranquil start to the day Saturday, the environment will be such that numerous damaging thunderstorms will form from 4:00 p.m. CDT on through much of the night. A number of these storms will produce tornadoes.

    Given current trends, it appears as if the severe weather late Saturday will, at the very least, reach the level of an outbreak with the potential for dozens of tornadoes. Such events are typically seen only a handful of times each year.

    Unfortunately, the worst-case scenario is also on the table. In this situation, there is the possibility of a large-scale outbreak of twisters. Some of the tornadoes could be very strong and remain on the ground for miles.

  14. ‎”Mitt Romney has been hurt by the so-called ‘Republican war on women,’ which of course is just a liberal media invention, like global warming or the female orgasm. Where’s the evidence?” — Stephen Colbert

  15. Another example of a republican-dominated state Senate at work making government smaller and less intrusive in our daily lives. /sarcasm

    [To be fair, the make-up of the Tennessee Senate is Republican Party (20); Democratic Party (13)]

    The Tennessee Senate passed SB 3310, a bill to update the state’s abstinence-based sex education curriculum to define holding hands and kissing as “gateway sexual activities.” Just one senator voted against the legislation; 28 voted in favor.

    Still, this anti-hand-holding push may only be the second-worst bill passed in Tennessee this month. Nearly a century after the Volunteer State played host to the Scopes Monkey Trial, the legislature has now enacted a new law allowing educators to teach creationism alongside evolution.