Tuesday, 4/10/12, Public Square



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  1. “Hey ladies, didn’t you know?! There’s no war on women. It’s all in our heads being manufactured by the Obama agenda to make us hate the GOP. We should be pleased to put aspirin between our knees, be blessed to be called sluts, be content making less money, smile at the fact we can have probes shoved up our vaginas, giggle at the fact that we are treated like less of a person than a corporation. Geezum, ladies… How dare you listen to President Obama pointing out the truths as clear as the air after a rain storm. We really should know better. The GOP knows best after all.”


    • R.D. Liebst

      Undoubtly just PMS too.

      • Yes, Rick! PMS, of course. 🙂

        Look no further than the 2010 midterms for proof of how badly they lie. They kept on the script and talked jobs, jobs, jobs to get elected.

        Once elected —
        How many jobs bills? How many bills on women’s reproductive rights? Then look across the country at the red states and see what legislation if being introduced.

        Uh huh. Women noticed too!

        Laws Affecting Reproductive Health and Rights:
        Trends in the First Quarter of 2011

        To date, legislators have introduced 916 measures related to reproductive health and rights in the 49 legislatures that have convened their regular sessions. (Louisiana’s legislature will not convene until late April.) By the end of March, seven states had enacted 15 new laws on these issues, including provisions that:


    • Unfortunately it’s not just the Repugs that are saying this:
      Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-MO): Democrats Are Wrong Saying There Is A War On Women

  2. prairie pond

    And now, from the Department of DUH…


    I’ve always thought that about such vile wingnuts as Tim Huelskamp, Jan Pauls, and the list could go on. They should just come out. They’d feel much better and so would the rest of us.

    • R.D. Liebst

      could be some who are most vocal seem to sound like Rue Paul to me.

      • indypendent

        I like RuPaul – I watch his show every Monday night – Drag Race. I am always impressed with how creative these drag queens are and how talented they are. Then on some shows, they talk about their past experiences when they were teens and it seems like each and every one of them tells of how they were bullied in school.

        Then some have families that turned their back on them when they came out. But there are a few with supportive families.

        But I have to give credit to RuPaul for building his brand name and creating such an entertainment media. BTW, Republicans should be praising him and holding him up as a successful example of what hard work, determination and talent can do for you.

        I love the way RuPaul ends his shows with the statement as to if you can’t love yourself, how the hell can you love somebody else. Can I get an Amen up in here?

        I’ve often wondered if these Fundie Tightie-Whities Homosexual-hating Repubs know that there is an audience for the drag queen entertainment? And who do they think are going to these shows – mostly heterosexual males – I suspect. Probably the front row of any damn Fundie church in America.

        and maybe even behind the pulpit…..

    • Santorum seems not to get enough of talking about gay sex.

  3. prairie pond

    Great post, fnord. And now we have Democrat Emanuel Cleaver, head of the Congressional Black Caucus, giving cover to the repukes, and living with his head up his ass. According to Crooks and Liars, “Congressional
    Black Caucus Leader Hands Republicans a Talking Point by Denying Their ‘War on Women’ Exists.”

    From Healther at Crooks and Liars. “Now we can look forward to one Republican after another coming on the air and saying “even Emanuel Cleaver admits there’s no war on women.” Way to go Congressman. Maybe you should take Sen. Lisa Murkowski’s advice if you don’t feel the attack is real and “go home and talk to your wife and your daughters.”

    You want to know what’s actually “damaging the body politic?” Pretending that Republicans’ cruel policies on restricting women’s access to health care and treating them like they’re too stupid to make decisions about their own reproduction, for the sole purpose of pandering to the religious right, isn’t doing real damage to real women and costing actual lives when they’re also limiting access to services like cancer screenings.”

    Jesus wept.

    • I find it highly entertaining how their manipulation works. They hand out the talking point and their minions run with it, no thinking required.

      I posted yesterday about Mitch McConnell saying no republican women saw any evidence of a war on women — and what republican women are saying about the war on women they do see.

      You know who the average republican will hear? Mitch MConnell of course. He is saying what they’ve chosen to hear.

    • Sorry pp, I came in late and didn’t scroll on down before posting about Cleaver or I would have attached the video to your post.

  4. indypendent

    Rick Santorum has a 3-yr-old girl with a disability. So, let’s see, Romney’s campaign pulled an a negative ad attacking Santorum due to the little girl being in the hospital but the moment the girl is released to home, the negative ad goes back into rotation in Pennsylvania?

    And these people are touting this as a good thing? Don’t get me wrong – I don’t want to see a negatie atack ad on a man whose daughter is in the hospital, but if you’re going to just put the same ad on the air the moment the kid is home form the hospital, then where is the compassion in that?

    But my bigger question is how Santorum is using his little girl’s disability as a lightning rod for abortion rights and the call to end the ACA.

    I think the doctor is correct in the last paragraph – the reason disabled kids – and other kids – are not covered under insurance is because no one wants to pay for the healthcare.

    So, wouldn’t the Obamacare ACA be one way for parents to get health care needs covered for their kids – whether disabled or not?

    What really angers me the most is how Republican candidates have spent multi-millions on their stupid primary campaigns but yet there is no one willing to pay for the health care of those people in need?

    If this is what a Christian country does – then God help us all.


    • I like Santorum staying in the race and ignoring the facts that he can’t win the nomination. It goes along with the republican tendency to ignore facts and boy oh boy does Santorum do a tremendous job of showing republicans for exactly who they are. Most of them talk about other things — the economy, jobs… — those things they don’t address at all once elected. Santorum highlights the social issues they concentrate on after being elected. It’s refreshing!

      How many months have we known who the republican nominee would be? Has it been a year? Whistle a happy tune… 🙂

      • indypendent

        Yes, I have to give Ricky credit – he is one to hold on to all hope – as it is slipping away over the sunset.

        But, I heard Richard Land – the Grand Poobah of the Southern Baptists talking about how Santorum is a young man, could make good money as a laywer in the next 8 years and then come back and try again for the presidencey – and he would still be younger than Romney is today.

        8 years? I guesss Richard Land is hoping Romney gets in and will go for the full 8 years/?

        Hey – if Romney gets in – I highly doubt the country will still be around after the first year of a Romney presidency. After all, Romney is more than willing and able to push that nuclear option button with Iran. And if that does not kill off America – outsourcing even more American jobs – with Romney’s blessing – will be sure to be the final straw that broke the America’s back.

  5. indypendent

    Let’s not forget about Rush’s 3-day rant about Sandra Fluke and his many other rants over the span of his career.

    But it appears that Mike Huckabee is the ewinner of the spoils sinc eRush’s mouth went off one too many times.

    Even with all these sponsors and stations dropping Rush like the heavy rock he is – we cannot sit back and be content in the knowledge that Rush and his Gang of Merry Men are going to sit back and take this lying down.

    We need to watch what Rush plans to do next – and, as a free market society that we are, let the market decide if there is an audience for Rush or not.

    But, in the meantime, I am laughing at the thought that Sandra Fluke was the final bell in this latest match-up against Rush – and Rush has been hurt where he really lives – in his money belt.


    • Yes, we let our guards down and we saw what happened. We honestly thought women’s basic health-care needs, including contraceptives, was a settled matter. We thought we would make our own decisions and it wouldn’t be anyone’s business but our own. Men make their health-care decisions, and since we’re equal full citizens we thought that same right was ours. Who would have guessed that in 2012 in the USA we would still need to fight this fight?

      Now we know.

      Republicans cannot be trusted, they are small-minded and evil. They won’t stop their attempt to control women. So women cannot stop! We must remain ever vigilant and vote those idiots out of office!

      Let them go about denouncing the war on women. We know they just want it hushed up in hopes they can be elected and then continue the battle they began. They underestimate women.

      • indypendent

        You noticed how Rush Limbaugh backed up Mitch McConnell’s tirade about this ‘manufactured’ GOP War on Women?

        Such infantile boys – aren’t they?

        They must also be scared little boys – to go to such lengths to try to convince women there is no such thing as a GOP-sponsored War on Women.

        I swear, I could hear the spittle coming out of Rush’s mouth as he continually tried to convince people that Obama and the evil Democrats are just making this stuff up.

      • Women are going to make our own decisions. The cranky republican old white rich men aren’t going to tell us what we will or won’t do.

        Women aren’t the republicans only problem. Take a look at minorities such as Hispanics. Yep! They’ve got problems with several voting blocks of citizens.

        There are really good reasons why Hispanics and women and the GLBT community and youth don’t support republicans. And what is the republican plan of action? Ignore the problem, in fact say it doesn’t exist except in the media and in the minds of people who have been influenced by something that is totally made up. You think that strategy is a winning one?

  6. indypendent

    Reagan started the Decade of Greed in 1980’s – so has the pendulum swung back to what is now being called – the era of free capitalism without consequences is over?

    Are corporations starting to use their greed FOR good and not just to get rich quick?

    Call me a cynic (who, me? LOL) – I’ll believe this when I see it in action.


  7. The corporate rich are good at putting government to work for them. They only hate socialism when it’s for you and me. We should be on our own, making our own way. [eye roll]

  8. indypendent

    Speaking of the GOP War on Women – I wonder if any of these younger women and their parents have thought about all of the consequences that these Republicans’ War on Women will have on their own personal lives?

    I remember my high school years. My junior high school band teacher loved a girl drummer in his band. But the Senior High School band teacher told me point blacnk to my face that I would NEVER playt he drums in his band.

    And there was not a damn thing I could do about it – back then.

    During my school years- the girls were cheerleaders – NEVER the ball players.

    And there was not a damn thing we could do about it – back then.

    Back then – the birth control had just been introduced and I remember all the firestorm that came with it – and yet we are seeing that SAME damn firestorm today.

    What is it with America? Is it out Puritan heritage from the Pilgrims that keep us shackled to the Dark Ages where women are nothing more than property and baby makers and the study of Science was forbidden?

    Do we really, as a country, want to go back to those old days when there was nothing a girl or woman could do about their own lives?

    Damn – the rest of the world is laughing at how hung up America seems to be about certain things and it almost always goes back to sex – in some damn perverse way.

    • No! Women aren’t going back. The republicans can make their own little reality wherever they choose.

      Don’t lose track of how important SCOTUS nominations are!

  9. I have great news to share. I’m an expectant grandmother. 🙂

    The kids in Boston will welcome my new grandchild about the third week of October.

  10. indypendent

    CONGRATS fnord…….how exciting. These are the same ones with the little boy – correct? Is he up and walking around yet? (I forgot when he was born – they say the memory is the first thing to go when you get to my age…LOL)

    • He just began walking (he was 10 mos April 3) and is mighty unstable still. It’s a good thing toddlers are built so close to the ground. These two will be very close in age — not quite 17 months apart. The parents got a late start but are certainly making up for lost time.

  11. indypendent

    Maybe I just don’t get this one – but isn’t this guy free to say what he thinks? It’s called freedom of speech – isn’t it?

    And from what I can figure out – this guy simply said what I’ve thought for a long time – that in spite of everything the US has thrown at Fidel Castro, the POSD is still living and kicking.

    So – why do some people have to apologize adn be susucpnded when others who say things that are not ‘politcally correct’ get their own talk radio show?


  12. indypendent

    Let’s try this again…


    For all those who denounce this guy for praising Castro might want to do soem research on the billionarire bros that are buying up the GOPand see where the family fortune cane from and who praised Mussolini.

  13. I sure hope ‘suspending’ his campaign doesn’t mean he sits down and shuts up. I like to hear Santorum talk! And he does so much to move the right further right — almost to irrelevancy.

  14. indypendent

    Just got back from picking up the granddaughter from school and was checking my email. This came up on the MSN home page.

    I had to look twice because the picture 2nd from the left – looks so much like a guy I knew in that Fundy Baptist College.

    It’s not the same guy – I know – but damn, he sure looks like this guy I knew.

    Maybe it’s a son? Aftera ll, this guy is wanted for child porn and I I’ve told you all before that Fundy’s have theis preoccupatin about sex – perverse sex – but sex.

    It’s my suspicion that alot of these child molesters and perverts can be found in any given church at any given Sunday. That’s usually the best place to hide…


  15. indypendent

    I’ve been having the most trouble with capturing all my links today – it leaves off the second line..


  16. indypendent

    I give up….. I just checked it and it still works when only the first line is highlighted – so….

    It’s not been a good day today…

  17. indypendent

    I guess we know which P.R. route the Zimmerman’s have chosen since George has contacted Sean Hannity at Fox News but yet his attorneys do not know where he is?

    Damn – all the parents wanted was justice and to have their questions answered. Now since this case has been taken in over at the Foxxies in the Hen House – God only inows how they’arre going toplay theis during the politcal campaign.

    Because, after all, it was Obama that played the race card – don’t you know.

    You betcha —- wink, wink…


    • You would have thought simple assault with a deadly weapon charges (at minimum) would have been bought. There were two people, one was armed, one was not, one is dead. I’m betting 99.9% of the people would have been under arrest while the incident was investigated. Strange.

  18. Interesting RP info I came across:

    From Ron Paul’s website, “In the days before Medicare and Medicaid, the poor and the elderly were admitted to hospitals at the same rate they are now, and received good care. Before those programs came into existence, every physician understood that he or she had a responsibility towards the less fortunate and free medical care was the norm. Hardly anyone is aware of this today, since it doesn’t fit into the typical, by the script story of government rescuing us from a predatory public sector.”

    This is not entirely true, there WAS a saftey net in place for the poor prior to Medicare and Medicaid, “Congress took a small but in retrospect a most significant step in 1950 when it created a grant program to provide federal matching funds to states for health care payments for individuals on welfare (Health Care Financing Administration, 2000).”

    Home care had never really received much consideration as an alternative to institutionalization. Private duty nurses had provided for wealthier individuals in their homes since the late 1800’s, but served only those who could afford the cost of highly individual in-home care. The visiting nurse assis…

    All this has made me curious as to what medical care was like in the early 1900’s up to 1960. Most voting age people don’t remember when house calls were the norm, you didn’t go have regular checkups at the clinic. Then there have been so many medical breakthroughs, drugs, transplants, therapies…. So how can we compare then and now when considering what is necessary for every American to have affordable health care? We can not go backward, what worked (?) then cannot possibly work now.

    More research needed, anybody have any good links on what health care used to be like?

    • Look at life expectancies too. Many people my age died. We didn’t go to doctors until it was very serious. I’m sure the increased use of medical therapies has increased medical costs. I wonder how much it costs to extend life for a year or a few years?

      Anyone here remember when vaccinations were given at school? Yes, and we also all lined up to be seen by a dentist, our eyesight and hearing were tested — AT SCHOOL. And then think back to when the Salk vaccine for polio became available and whole families went to neighborhood centers and stood in line for those.

  19. indypendent

    Moonshadow – I have to laugh when I hear Republicans talking about the good ol’ days and they want to take us back to them.

    Remember the show ‘Little House on the Prairie’?

    In that show, the doctor AND the preacher were the poorest people in town. The doctor was lucky if he got pain in money – most times it was in chickens and/or grain, fruits and vegetables.

    And the preacher was lucky if he got invited to supper because then he knew he would eat that night.

    Can you imagine today’s doctgors and preachers if the same circumstancers were prevalent today?

    My God – heads would roll……wouldn’t they?


    Paul Ryan says Barack Obama “has doubled the size of government since he took office”


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  22. Since we will be talking about the economy until the elections in the fall, we’ll see how well the republicans can sell their ‘give more to the wealthy by taking it away from the most vulnerable’ scheme.

    I’ve already seen the internet buzzing and it doesn’t look good for the republicans.