Friday, 3/30/12, Public Square

The last troops left Viet Nam on this day in 1973.


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40 responses to “Friday, 3/30/12, Public Square

  1. indypendent

    Another day – another promise of my car being ready. Just got off the phone and this guy actually said that he ‘would take an hour off of his busy schedule today to bring me my car in person’.

    I did NOT ask for that …..I just want my damn car back and I want to know why they put the wrong bumper on it, then painted it, then took it for an alignment, then detailed it and THEN found out the put on the wrong bumper???

    I asked if they could waiver my deductible since they messed up and he told me that it was against the law for them to waive the deductible. I’ve seen windshield companies offering to waive your deductible when it is an insurance claim.

    If windshield companies can do it – why can’t car body shops do it?

    Does anyone know if it is against the law for car body shops to waive the deductible for someone?

    • I do not know the answer to your question but common sense tells me laws aren’t made about how much a body shop gets paid. I think that guy was blowin’ smoke.

      Call your agent and ask. At the very minimum you can advise your agent of your dissatisfactions. I think they are asked for references by many so probably keep abreast of what’s going on at body shops around town, who does good work and leaves satisfied customers, who doesn’t.

      • indypendent

        I’ve decided to get my car back first and then I’ll go and complete any and all service questionnaires.

        Or – I’ve been known to go on to their websites and voice my opinions (imagine that – LOL).

        If need be I can always write a letter to my ever-able governor and ask him if there is such a law forbidding car body shops to waive the deductible – when they mess up.

        I’m sure Gov Sammie will know – he knows everything – doesn’t he?

      • indypendent

        But – when it comes right down to it – all these corporations are in cahoots together. I really think these corporations do not care if the customer is satisified or not – or if they get charged too much.

        If that was the case – the hospitals would not be charging $10 for one Tylenol – would they?

        My friend went through her hospital bill and she was charged for things that were not even done – and that infamous $10 Tylenol pill charges.

        When she called her health insurance companies to complain – and to let them know that her bill had charges for things that were not done – the health insurance claim person told ‘they do that all the time to us – what can we do?

        Well, for one thing, if you know they do that to you and you let them get away with it – then that claim amount should be YOUR loss – and stop raising the premiums for everyone else.

        I think this entire American corporate system is just one big fat racket – and both sides know it and are in on it – together.

      • wicked

        Indy, it would be the Attorney General you’d need to report this too. Anybody remember a newspaper column in the past where incidents where people were ripped off were reported from the AGs office? That may have been back in Stephan’s time, and I don’t know how good Schmidt’s record is with this, but it is worth a try. That and/or the state insurance commission. Don’t bother with the Better Business Bureau. Now the business pay a fee that pretty much keeps them cleared of anything. Worthless to consumers, great for businesses.

      • indypendent

        Thanks for the info – wicked. I know about the Better Business Bureau – what a waste of time. There is a company on that website with a rating of F but since it is owned by a self-righteous pompous ass that ‘networks’ with these political churches – nobody seems to care if they rip people off.

        I have a friend that was ripped off by a business that proudly boasted they are a ‘Christian’ Company. Why, they even had the Christian fish symbol in their front window.

        These were the people that ripped her off the most……

        Beware of those little fishes – they BITE….

  2. indypendent

    Now that my rant is over….

    IMHO – the Vietnam War is one of the major reasons the American people feel the way they do towards wars.

    Has anyone read Rachel Maddow’s book yet – ‘Drift’? She was on with Chris Matthews yesterday and her book sounds fascinating. She delves into the issue of how our country goes to war and how the American people feel about going to war.

    IMHO – We have become a nation of spectators when it comes to wars. There is no draft – so the military is voluntary. But when we have seen soldiers going on mulitple combat tours and under such ridiculous conditions as in Iraq and Afghanistan and for the false premise of ‘weapons of mass destruction’ or the Iraq War will pay for itself…..

    These wars we have been engaged in since Vietnam are ALL political – let the damn politicians put their wrinkled old white butts on the front lines.

  3. Vietnam was the war of my youth. The war schoolmates and friends didn’t come home from. The war that scarred a generation leaving too many incapable of conducting life as it should have been.

    Now we have another couple of generations of those scarred people.

    I can’t accept that war is the solution to anything.

    • indypendent

      Vietnam War has a personal meaning to me – and it will NEVER go away. The Vietnam War was the first war that was broadcasted on t.v. and it came right into our living rooms – it hit us full in the face.

      For those of us who were in the younger generation – and the fodder for the Political WAR MACHINE – we were the ones that saw our brothers, cousins, friends going over to Vietnam and not coming back. Some were in body bags and some were in such mental damage – they were never the same.

      Just take a good look at the homeless population since the damn Vietnam War – how many are Vietnam veterans?

    • wicked

      Yeah, we’re the Vietnam Generation. Hard to forget any of it. Just the mention can bring tears to my eyes.

  4. wicked

    In response to indy’s comments yesterday, here’s something I hope will at least bring a chuckle. Somewhere I have the original, but I found this one online and decided it’s close enough. ☺

    California’s Letter of Secession

    Dear President Bush:

    Congratulations on your victory over all us non-evangelicals. Actually, we’re a bit ticked off here in California, so we’re leaving you. California will now be its own country. And we’re taking all the Blue States with us. In case you are not aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, all of the North East States, and the urban half of Ohio.

    We spoke to God, and she agrees that this split will be beneficial to almost everybody, and especially to us in the new country of California. In fact, God is so excited about it, she’s going to shift the whole country at 4:30 pm EST this Friday. Therefore, please let everyone know they need to be back in their states by then. God is going to give us the Pacific Ocean and Hollywood. In addi! tion, we’re getting San Diego. (Sorry, that’s just how it goes.) But God is letting you have the KKK and country music (except the Dixie Chicks).

    Just so we’re clear, the country of California will be pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, and anti-war. Speaking of war, we’re going to need all Blue States citizens back from Iraq. If you need people to fight in Falujah, just ask your evangelical voters. They have tons of kids they’re willing to send to their deaths for absolutely no purpose. And they don’t care if you don’t show pictures of their kids’ caskets coming home.

    So, you get Texas and all the former slave states, and we get the Governator and stem cell research. (We would love you to take Britney Spears off our hands, though. She IS from the south, right?)

    Since we get New York, you’ll have to come up with your own late night TV shows because we get MTV, Letterman, the Daily Show, and Conan O’Brien. You get… well, w! hy don’t you ask your people at Fox News to come up with something entertaining? (Maybe you should just watch Crossfire. That’s a really funny show.)

    We wish you all the best in the next four years and we hope, really hope, you find those missing weapons of mass destruction. Seriously. Soon.


  5. If wicked has cheered you up, don’t read this blog post. Take my word for it — it isn’t happy.

    Cancer v. the Constitution

  6. Here’s a longer version of what wicked posted.

    Oh, I think we can just divide up the country between red states and blues states. Since the red states love the policies of the repukes, it stands to reason they would want to keep the states where voters keep electing and re-electing them.

    Of course, things have changed since the 2004 elections, but I’m glad to go back to that dividing line. It means this:

    Dear Red States…

    We’ve decided we’re leaving. We intend to form our own country, and
    we’re taking the other Blue States with us.

    In case you aren’t aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon,Washington,
    Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We
    believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially
    to the people of the new country of New California.

    To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.
    We get stem cell research and the best beaches.

    We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood.
    We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
    We get Harvard. You get Ole’ Miss.
    We get 85 percent of America’s venture capital and entrepreneurs. You
    get Alabama.
    We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states
    pay their fair share.

    Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the
    Christian Coalition’s, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a
    bunch of single moms.

    Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and
    anti-war, and we’re going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at
    once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have
    kids they’re apparently willing to send to their deaths for no
    purpose, and they don’t care if you don’t show pictures of their
    children’s caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and
    hope that the WMDs turn up, but we’re not willing to spend our
    resources in Bush’s Quagmire.

    With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent
    of the country’s fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple
    and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation’s fresh fruit, 95 percent of
    America’s quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners)
    90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most
    of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and
    condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale,
    Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

    With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88
    percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care
    costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the
    tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern
    Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh,
    Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

    We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

    Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was
    actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred
    unless we’re discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say
    that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved
    in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy b*****ds believe you are people
    with higher morals then we lefties.

    By the way, we’re taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt
    weed they grow in Mexico.

    Peace out,
    Blue States”

  7. indypendent

    Read this about the Trayvon Martin case and, to give credit where it’ due, it appears the mayor is at least smart enough to know NOT to try to cover stuff up.

    But pay close attention to the link to a story about a college newspaper in Texas than ran a cartoon about this shooting ( hmm, Texas, isn’t that where another college girl got into trouble for tweeting about the possibility of Obama’s death?)

    Why am I NOT surprised?

    I agree with the idea that Evangelicals can have the entire south – and the rest of us can building very high walls to keep out these critters. Critters are like roaches – they multiply and multiply and multiply and you just cannot stomp them out. Just gotta kick em to the curb and build a damn wall.

    • wicked

      Odd that it was UT. Austin is considered very liberal. Just ask Prairie Pond. 🙂

      The whole thing is crazy. Has anyone heard what was transpiring at the moment Zimmerman shot Martin? Not prior to it. Not the “beating him up” part. As mentioned yesterday, just how far do blood splatters reach in regards to a gunshot?

      Maybe the police officer was looking for signs of injury on the back of Martin’s head. The first excuse is that the video is grainy. The second is that the police must have cleaned him up a bit. Just how much cleaning up would a banged up back-of-the head, busted nose, and gunshot splatter take? And if they did that, wouldn’t that be getting rid of evidence? In any shooting, wouldn’t they have collected evidence, such as a jacket worn by the shooter (whether in self-defense or not), especially if there’s blood–his OR the victim’s–on it.

      According to the way the article reads, Zimmerman didn’t go to the hospital until he was released. The police must not have thought his wounds needed looking at, which doesn’t make sense. Wouldn’t those wounds be a part of his defense in the shooting? Wouldn’t they need photos, no matter the guilt or innocence?

      If nothing else, the police department needs some serious looking into. Greed, graft, and racism?

      • indypendent

        That is what I have been saying all along – where are the photos of that night – right after the police arrived on the scene?

        Zimmerman’s father was on a local Fox News show (imagine that) and stated that he doubted if Trayvon was on his phone with his girlfriend. There are phone logs that verify that Trayvon’s phone was in use for 5 minutes before his death – which corroborate the friend’s story.

        For being a retired judge, does Zimmerman’s father know there are phone logs available to show if the phone was in use or not?

        I suspect Zimmermans adn their cohorts have got nothing else to use as their defense but to throw the red meat out to these ‘Righties’ aka Foxxies in the Hen House and they know that all the truth will be distorted into half-truths and innuendos – that seems to be their speciality.

    • According to Trayvon’s girlfriend they were talking on the phone in the minutes before the confrontation. She says she heard Trayvon ask Zimmerman why he was following him, and then she heard the ‘scuffle’ begin and the phone call was disconnected. (All of what I typed is my words, my memory of what she said.)

      I have to question her story too. What caused the phone to go dead? When I heard her it was at the beginning of the media coverage of this story, before we heard the so-called police story that was leaked, before we saw the videos at the police station… But when I heard her I questioned that part of her story. Why did the phone go dead. Was it turned off? If it had been knocked from his hand would it have possibly stayed on and she could have heard what transpired?

      I don’t know. I do know the phone records of the call between her and Trayvon should show when the call started and ended. And there are the many recordings of neighbors calls to 911, where everyone clearly hears the calls for help and the gunshot, that will have times shown both in phone records and at the 911 center. With those times I think competent investigators should be able to piece some of this together accurately.

      • indypendent

        I heard her story in the beginning of all this also – and I wondered what happened to the phone itself? But then I thought, maybe Trayvon had one of those in-the-ear phones and that got knocked off but yet sounds could still be heard?

        There are many possible scenarios – which is all the more reason to do a thorough investigation at the scene.

        With all these unanswered questions – and what appears to be planned leaks to the public – why even give anyone a reason to suspect a cover up is taking place?

        But, then again, look at the Catholic Church. It took lawsuits for them to finally confess they had moved pedophile priests around rather than to kick them out.

        The Catholic Church was not sued because they had pedophile priests in their church. The Church was sued -and lost big time – because they KNEW they had pedophile priests and they covered it up.

        It’s the cover up that is the most frustrating to deal with and try to understand….

      • wicked

        If the phone had been knocked out of his hand and hit cement, it could have either turned off or gotten broken. If a Bluetooth, I don’t know how well they pick up voices/noise from any distance, even a few feet. I’m sure somebody somewhere is checking on it. At least I would hope so.

  8. indypendent

    You know folks, I am white and a Christian but I am totally embarrassed by what I am reading and hearing from the so-called ‘Right’ . These people are NOT the average Christians and Americans that I know and respect.

    I would hope, and prefer to think, that most Americans want justice – and to allow a thorough investigation be done.

    It is only thos with something to hide that don’t want to release 911 tapes to the public.

    It is only those with something to hide that demonize the victims.

    It is only those with something to hide that use fear and intimidation to get what they want.

    Is it any wonder we are seeing a bullying problem in our society today? Just take a good objective look around at these so-called adults in the room.

    • wicked

      Just goes to show how stupid people can be.

      “It isn’t because he’s black. He’s a half-breed!”

      (shaking head)

      • indypendent

        I’ve said this before – I think these Foxxies in the Hen House are cackling because the white half of Obama is the dominant half.

        Let’s face the facts – if you did not know Obama had a white mother – would you even know – or even ask?

        I suspect if Obama looked more white – alot of this racism nonsense we get from the ‘right’ side of the aisle would not be playing out….

      • indypendent

        white half is NOT the dominant half….

        One more thing – there are still alot of people who think races should never mix…… that’s a sin, don’t you know?

        eyes roll/////

  9. indypendent

    For those on the ‘right’ side of the aisle that loudly profess that our county was founded as a Christian nation – is it any wonder these are the same people that are now trying so desperately to demonize the young black man who was shot to death?

    Let’s remember – the Founding Fathers were slave owners (majority of them?) and slavery was a major sticking point from the very start of our country – was it not?

    So – I guess these people on the ‘right’ side of the aisle are basically saying they believe slavery is okay because – after all – our nation was founded on Christianity and those Southern Christians (again, with that damn South) were the ones fighting to keep slavery.

    No wonder these Foxxie in the Hen House do not see anything wrong with the Trayvon Martin investigation.

    But – I wonder. What if the victim had been a white child of Rush, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly or any other prominent Republican Right – and the shooter was black.

    Can you imagine the outrage and protests if the police had handled the investigation in the same manner?

    Can you imagine the outrage and protests at the refusal of police to not release the 911 tapes?

    Can you even imagine what our country would be like if this had been a white 17-yr-old boy that was killed for wearing a damn hoodie?

    • indypendent

      Trayvon’s parents have only asked for a thorough investigation and they are asking for justice.

      If Trayvon had been my child – I would be doing the exact same thing.

      • indypendent

        And I would think any self-professing American who professes to believe in freedom, liberty and justice for all – would be demanding the same.

  10. If you weren’t upset about the idiots in Mississippi…

  11. wicked

    Posted on FB by a friend of ours.

    The question is asked, if abortion become illegal, what punishment should be given to women who get one?

    • indypendent

      Another question – what punishment should the man that impregnated her also receive – if he refuses to acknowledge the baby is his?

      As for incest cases and rapists – will there also be a charge against these men if the woman they impregnated gets an abortion?

      After all, if there was no baby in the first place, there would be no need for an aboriton.

      Let’s stop this at the source of the problem.

      Remember Barney Fife on The Andry Griffith Show when he said ‘nip it, nip it in the bud’……


      • indypendent

        What about miscarriages? When I had my miscarriage 30 years ago, it was called a spontaneous abortion on the medical record.

        I was somewhat taken back by that terminology when my doctor used it as my diagnosis for the D&C – but that is what a miscarriage is – a spontaneous abortion.

        Will that also be prosecuted if abortions are made illegal?

    • wicked

      What I found ironic is that no one had thought of what punishment there might or what they thought would be a fair punishment. They just showed, once again, how totally clueless they are. Led around like sheep by the Judas goat. Guess they forget about that “false prophet” warning in the Bible.

      • indypendent

        These self-righteous hypocrits do not think – that is the problem, in a nutshell.

        Or maybe we cannot condemn people for not doing something they are incapable of doing?

  12. indypendent

    There are many things these Fundie Religious Right Republicans do not think about when they spew their dogma.

    But, then again, it helps to see the world in black and white in order to be a ‘real’ Fundie.

    That has always been my problem – I see the world in alot of different colors – mostly gray areas when it comes to passing laws based on someone elses’ religion

  13. indypendent

    Well, got my car back late today. I was told this morning the new bumper went on and it was in the paint shop as we spoke (8am). It had to bake and then cool down before they could spray it and then it would be ready for me to pick up later. He called me about 3pm – and I picked it up. They were busier than a snotty 4-headed monster – so they could not walk me around the car to check it out. They do have a lifetime warranty (which I suspect they will regret giving me….lol).

    I did ask how the hell did they put on the wrong bumper, paint it, bake it and then someone discovered it was the wrong bumper?:

    The guy said it was due to they bought a reconditioned bumper and the vendor marked it wrong……okay, so that still does not answer my question. If one could tell it was the wrong bumper AFTER it was painted, then why could they not tell it was the wrong bumper BEFORE it was painted?

    I never did get an answer to that one.

    But – when I brought it home – there are several long scratches in several places where they had obviously taped the car before painting.


    I am really trying to be patient and nice here – and the manager did say he would cut me a check for the 2 days of car rental insurance (we had opted to get the insurance through the car rental because the cost was cheaper than our deductible – if I happened to meet up again with another person in a parking lot that has dirty windows and backed in me..

    So, that was fine – at least the manager was trying to be fair with me. He never mentioned the deductible – and I never pressed the issue of whether waiving the deductible was against the law. I figured that is an issue I need to address elsewhere…..

    Anyway – so I will probably be back at the shop tomorrow – showing them all the scratches and that tape residue.

    Wouldn’t you think if the car shop had kept your car for 2 more days than what was expected due to their putting on the wrong bumper, these guys would at least clean up the car before releasing it to the customer?

    BTW – my car seats are those brushed velour fabric. When I got in to drive away, both seats looked like there was grease all over them. When I brushed it with my hands to see what that black stuff was , it was like sweater lint. So somebody must have been wearing something that was linty – BUT – again – clean up the damn car to at least not p.o. the woman off even more.

    Geesh, has customer service and taking pride in one’s work completely gone in our society?


    Oh, this morning, the explanation for the wrong bumper being put on my car was this: there were three Buicks in the shop at the same time. It is real confusing as to which parts go to which car.

    Hmmm, my husband and I have been in the nursing home field for 30+ years. Using that logic would be like three patients on the same medication but different dose – and we gave the wrong dose to the wrong patient.

    Like my DIL said – whoever is checking in those parts for that particular job should learn about Post-It Notes……..and how to use them..