Wednesday, 3/28/12, Public Square


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24 responses to “Wednesday, 3/28/12, Public Square

  1. Pond, is that little dot just about Austin? Hill country at least… Gonna be crowded but we could have some good times.

    • prairie pond

      Heh, that dot is too far south to be Austin, but I’ve had some damn good times in that area known as “the Vally.”

      Fnord, I think we could have some good times no matter where we are!

    • indypendent

      Actually, this graphic is incorrect – the entire country belonged to the Indians before the Pilgrims came and hit a big rock !

      And then they used their big mean GOD to clear out this country to institute their Christian-based idealogy.

      I’ve often wondered if the Indians ever regretted helping those Pilgrims to survive that first winter?

  2. The Court hears the last two arguments today —


    Court Looks At Whether Mandate Can Separate From Rest Of Health Law

    The concept is called “severability.” Often Congress includes severability clauses in the laws it passes — something to the effect of “if any part of this law should be declared void or unconstitutional” then “the remaining parts thereof shall be in no manner affected thereby but shall remain in full force and effect.”

    But in some cases, such as with the Affordable Care Act, Congress does not include severability language. In those cases, judges normally strike down only the offending parts of a law, leaving as much of the rest as possible.


    Supreme Court’s Medicaid Decision Could Reach Far Beyond Health Care

    After Tuesday’s judicial fireworks, the Supreme Court wraps up arguments on the new health care law Wednesday by focusing on two questions. The first involves what would happen if the “individual mandate” — the core of the law that requires most people to have health insurance — is struck down. Would the rest of the law fall, too, or could some provisions stay?

    But it’s the second argument the court will hear about the Affordable Care Act that could potentially have the most far-reaching consequences. At issue is whether the health law’s expansion of the Medicaid program for the poor unfairly forces the states to participate.

    If the justices find the federal government is coercing the states, that decision could reach far beyond health care.

    Medicaid is already one of the nation’s largest providers of health care services, says Diane Rowland, executive director of the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured.

    “It provides health insurance coverage to 1 in 3 American children, so it’s a fundamental part of the way in which we deliver health care services today,” she says.

    But as large as the program is, Medicaid today in most states is still not available to people simply because they are poor. They have to be poor and something else — such as a child, a pregnant woman or older than 65. Under the health law, however, that would no longer be the case.

    • indypendent

      But I know personally a woman who got WIC while pregnant with her second child and she was working alongside my desk, buying $100 purses from that purse party group.

      When I asked her how she managed to qualify because she was also married to the father of the two kids who also worked.

      She said – with a straight face – that nobody asked me if I was married or if I worked.


      Now, in those cases of abuse – I do not want my tax dollars to go to that woman. But I do not want to throw out the baby with the bath water – either.

  3. (from the article): If the Court strikes down the mandate, then the part of health care reform that forbids health insurance companies from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions would almost certainly be repealed. If the government forbid those denials but didn’t force people to first buy a plan, then plenty of people would just wait until they got sick to buy insurance.

    This would be a critical blow to one of the central premises behind health care reform. Re-instituting the individual mandate would be unconstitutional. So what then?

    One obvious option, besides just doing nothing and allowing health care costs to continue their exponential growth while more people lose coverage, is a single-payer health insurance plan. There is no doubt about the constitutionality here—the government is clearly allowed to levy taxes to fund public benefits. Medicare, for example, is not challengeable on the same grounds as Obama’s health care reform.

    So if health care reform goes down, the next logical step may well be just extending Medicare to everyone.

    • indypendent

      Maybe this is what the long-term plan was when Obamacare got pushed through?

      Obama knew that REpublicans did not want any health care reform to go through under his watch – even after Republicans had the original idea for ACA.

      So, if all this goes down as unconstitutional – and the Republicans do not offer their alternative (which Mitch McConnnell has already said their side will not do much about health care reform if ACA goes down) – then Obama can say to Democrats and those people who want to see health care reform – to go for the Medicare for all plan.

      And if Obama gets back into the White House – perhaps this is what he will push – Medicare for all..

      Which, IIRC, what Obama’s campaign health care plan was…..

    • indypendent

      That was one basic question that I always asked when I was in the Fundie Bunch – why would Jesus, a Jewish man, give only the white men the ‘one true way to eternal life’?

      Supposedly, the reason Fundies like to send in their white missionaries around the world is because Jesus told his disicples (also Jewish people, I assume?) to spread the good news of salvation.

      And, of course, if any person does not personally accept Jesus as their Savior and become ‘born again’ then they are destined to go to Hell.

      But if God so Loved the World that he gave his only Begotten Son – then why didn’t God also make that known to all these non-white people around the globe?

      White Christian missionaries are there for one reason – money. Do you know how many millions flow into those missionary companies?

      I am not questioning Christianity – I am questioning some of these so-called Christians’ tactics of how they use their religion to make themselves wealthy.

      Kinda like those money vendors in the Temple that Jesus cleared out – in a hurry.

      If the gift of salvation is free – then why does it seem the preacher and the televangelist are wearing those fancy suits, driving those fancy cars and living in those fancy houses?

  4. indypendent

    Sounds like good news for Obama. But if Romney wins the GOP nomination, look for him to move back to the center – but will the RAbid Religious Right allow Romney to do that?

    What if Romney picks someone like Santorum for his V.P.? How will that go down with the independent voters?

    And for all this crowing being done by Republicans cheering the fact that the Obamacare is going to get struck down – well, Romney instituted the very same thing while governor.

    Kinda weak nominee – IMHO.

    But Obama’s political future is in the hands of the American women – and just let the RRRR’s keep beating that war drum of the War on Women – that, and that alone, will probably doom the GOP to a loss in 2012.

    If Santorum is the nominee – the loss will be huge…….

  5. indypendent

    I just listened to a Republican strategist argue the point that Romney’s state individual mandate to buy heatlh insurance is not the same as the federal individual mandate to buy helath insurance because on the federal level – this is called socialism.

    So I guess the GOP talking point #_____ (throwing out big scary ism words) is in play here?

    But you know – one word I never hear these Republicans throw out is the word – fascism. If you do research on a certainly family’s fortune and which historical political figure Daddy worshiped, one might know why they don’t use this particular – ism word.

    Plus, fascists do love them good ol’ Bible Thumping……

    • I guess Romney thinks it’s good enough for the people of Massachusetts but not good enough for the people of any other states? After all, the citizens of America elected a president who ran on the promise to reform our health-care system. Romney talks about it being what those who live in Mass wanted, but ignores that it’s what Americans wanted too. The individual mandate was what republicans all across our country said should happen before their idea was accepted by democrats. The instant the democrats were for it the republicans flip-flopped and were against it. Makes you dizzy. But no one ever said hypocrisy wasn’t alive and well among the republicans.

  6. I needed this chuckle! 🙂

  7. indypendent

    The Pope is in Cuba and has called for freedom of religion. Okay – I can agree with that 100%. Now when will this same Pope stop the strangle-hold of his religion on my taxpaying-throat with his dogma regarding birth control?

  8. indypendent

    Sen. Patrick Leahy was asked about the current Supreme Court case regarding the health care law. Sen. Leahy said that the individual mandate is alot like Medicare – so if the Court throws out the ACA, then Medicare should also be thrown out.

    And no matter what the Republicans yammer about – nobody in the Medicare system or about to go into the system wants Medicare abolished.

    Can you just imagine what would take place if Medicare was suddenly gone?

    Alot of health care providers and hospitals will be going belly up – and maybe that is what it will take to get peoples’ attention – they need to lose a benefit they use in order to understand who is really threatening them?

    • Remember the Ryan 2.0 plan takes Medicare to the exact same place ACA took health care! It is mandated (he uses the word ‘required’) in Ryan’s plan that seniors choose from exchanges made up of private insurers.

  9. indypendent

    Does Romney even have a clue as to what this entire health care reform is about?

    So, Romney does not know what to do about people not being able to get health insurance due to pre-existing conditions.

    Well, Mittens, maybe you should take a few rides on your new car elevator and mull this problem over in your brain for awhile.

    Or maybe you should travel to see the Great Wizard to get a brain – and while you’re there – get a real heart?

    • indypendent

      BTW – where do these Republicans think these uninsured are getting their health care now? These are the folks going to the Emergency Departments and then not paying their bills – which, in turn, raises the cost of health insurance premiums and health care for the rest of us.


      • indypendent

        And these folks are going to the ER way past the point to which their medical conditions has gotten so bad that the costs to make them well again is even higher than it would have been if these folks just had basic health care from the start.

        But, thinking like that gets you labled a communist – a socialist or worse, a Democrat….