Wednesday, 10/12/11, Public Square

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  1. Did anyone watch the debate?

    I watched it in its entirety.

    Romney seems plastic and has a few lines that seem ‘perfect,’ like pulling the string on the doll’s back. I think he is one of the best choices from among a batch of poor choices.

    Cain’s 999 plan got some scrutiny and will get more if he continues to poll well. His plan needs a bunch of light shed on it!

    Perry is an empty suit. He reminds me so much of Dubya. For a while I thought he might be smarter but he isn’t, and I fear he isn’t nearly as nice a man.

    Mostly I heard go backwards — repeal everything that’s happened since the republicans were in control and then do exactly what we were doing then.

    Weeeellllll, a few million of us remember where that got us! A few million of us have memories that didn’t begin on January 20, 2009.

    • Romney is running like the usual GOP presidential candidate – it is the next wealthy white male’s turn.

      Think about this……..McCain had to wait ‘his’ turn because GWB (the son of a former president) wanted to run – so that meant McCain had to wait until 2008 and then get his butt handed to him.

      I’ve read that Perry is alot like GWB but only dumber – which I, must confess, did not think was possible. But – sure nuff…… yee haw!!!

      Cain is getting pelted with alot more scrutiny and he does not like to be questioned. Just watch and listen to this man if someone dares to question him.

      Cain starts out as if he is answering the question and then he turns it into a personal dig on him if the person dares to question him further.

      I watched Chuck Todd on MSNBC this morning asking Cain about what Cain himself wrote back in 2005 about how the Democrats were all running around spreading fear about the economy was going to crash and that it would never happen.

      Well – the crash did happen 3 years later.

      Then Chuck brought up where Cain himself wrote about there was no housing bubble about to break. And we all know what mess that bursted bubble caused.

      Again – Cain tied this to the Democrats because Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were the culprits.

      Then after further questioning by Chuck Todd about Cain’s time at the Fed (I did not know Cain was in the Kansas City Fed Bank office?) and how did he miss all this info – that was when Cain stated that he was not listening to advisers and was only going by what he heard in the media.

      But, as Chuck Todd pointed out, the advisers were saying the same thing as the media that the housing bubble was about to break and the economy was going south – so either way – CAin should have known what was going on and he chose to rant about it NOT being a problem and somehow it is now the Democrats’ fault.

      Wow – just wow..

      But, the sad fact is, alot of Tea Party and Evangelical Christian Republicans will vote for this guy because he is their kind of guy – 30-second soundbite and will it fit on a bumper sticker?

      • Each and every one of those points from Cain’s past write themselves as campaign ads if Cain should become the republican nominee. And you can count on someone making those ads.

        Time really didn’t begin on January 20, 2009, no matter what the republicans say.

  2. WSClark

    And Fnord sings…………………

  3. WSClark

    Here is all you need to know about the “9-9-9 Plan”

    HUGE tax cuts for the top brackets.

    HUGE tax increases for the bottom brackets*.

    (* which includes SS recipients, retirees, working poor, welfare recipients, the disabled, part-time workers, college students, military people, panhandlers, the homeless, school teachers, children w/ allowances, firemen, police officers and it will tax your savings when you spend it.)

    Reagan tax plans could be called “Piss On You Economics.”

    Cain tax plans could be called “BF-U Economics”

    • I need a translation please – BF-U?

      Cain is on the wrong side of this OWS protest Movement also when he said they were Anti-American because they are against capitalism.

      I’ve never heard these OWS protesters rant against the corporations – just the GREED of the corporations – and those are two different things.

  4. I did not watch the debate last night, so I am trying to surf the internet to see different takes on the debate.

    I came across this little tidbit of knowledge by Michele Bachmann. I do agree with her about giving government too much power to generate income – as we have seen when Republicans are in office, they do not seem to mind taxing those 99% to make the 1% more comfortable in their golden lairs.

    But I digress.

    Then at the very end – the way Bachmann turned the 9-9-9 into a 6-6-6 and made the comment about the devil is in the details.

    As you watch this video, pay close attention to Cain’s facial expression.

    I am no fan of Michelle Bachmann – but in this case, you go girl….

    http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/79795/Michele_Bachmann__The_999_Plan_Upside_Down_Is_666/

  5. WSClark

    Ah, “Butt Fuck You Economics.” Sorry for the vulgarity.

    • I guessed the FU part but the B was tripping me up…..LMAO

      If it has to do with Republicans gaming the system to make themselves richer, one can always count on vulagarity being involved..

      • But, of course, God gives these Evangelical Republicans his golden ‘free pass’ when they are vulgar.

        These folks are God’s favorite – you did get his memo didn’t you? LMAO

  6. The Woman Who Knew Too Much

    Millions of Americans hoped President Obama would nominate Elizabeth Warren to head the consumer financial watchdog agency she had created. Instead, she was pushed aside. As Warren kicks off her run for Scott Brown’s Senate seat in Massachusetts, Suzanna Andrews charts the Harvard professor’s emergence as a champion of the beleaguered middle class, and her fight against a powerful alliance of bankers, lobbyists, and politicians.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/11/elizabeth-warren-201111

  7. Guess that bunch that wants to rewrite the U. S. Constitution to more closely resemble the Bible actually are in agreement with Thomas Jefferson on at least one point — rewriting constitutions. I don’t think Jefferson would have agreed with their reason to change being so it would more closely resemble the Bible…

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    U. OF I. SCHOLARS COLLECTING, ANALYZING CONSTITUTIONS FROM AROUND WORLD

    CHAMPAIGN, Ill. — Thomas Jefferson believed that a country’s constitution should be rewritten every 19 years. Instead, the U.S. Constitution, which Jefferson did not help to write (he was in Paris serving as U.S. minister to France when the Constitutional Convention was held in Philadelphia), has prevailed since 1789.

    “Jefferson thought the dead should not rule the living, thus constitutions should expire frequently, but the fact is that the U.S. Constitution quickly became enshrined by the public and is the oldest constitution in the world,” said Zachary Elkins, a professor of political science at Illinois.

    Many other constitutions do not last very long, according to Elkins, who is working with Tom Ginsburg, an Illinois professor of law, on a project to collect and analyze some 760 constitutions used worldwide since the U.S. Constitution took effect.

    “There is a lot of infant mortality,” Ginsburg said, noting that the average age for a national constitution is only 16 years.

    http://news.illinois.edu/news/07/0212constitution.html

  8. All this campaign talk about how to create jobs and stimulate the economey from any one of the GOP 2012 presidential candidates is really only talk because as everybody recognizes, no matter what the current rhetoric is coming from this bunch – the day any of them get into the White House – the GOP plan to invade Iran will be set in motion.

    I still remember McCain’s little bomb, bomb bomb Iran song…

    But, of course, I’m sure this same bunch will be only too glad to have that gay soldier they booed go fight this Iran war – since these are the folks that do not seem to think it is their own sons and daughters that should go and do the actual fighting.

    I suspect it is because their daddies are too busy making money off the war to be bothered with getting their hands dirty. These are the folks that sat back and let the GOP be seen as the party that booed an active duty soldier just because he is gay.

    • It must really chap these Republicans’ asses to know that Obama was the president that actually got Bin laden. And then more recently, that American-born terrorist. But, of course, these Republicans are now somehow demonizing Obama for killing that terrorist.

      Wow – these Republicans cannot seem to make up their mind. They are perfectly okay with torturing people – some even American born citizens – but I guess when that terrorist is a high-ranking terrorist like the one Obama just got – then it’s a bad thing if he was killed?

  9. The latest poll about Obama’s jobs bill rates it as being popular.

    All the polls about majority of Americans support taxing the rich to help pay the deficit also show it is a popular idea.

    So, what’s the hang-up?

    AT the very least, the Bush tax cuts need to be repealed.

    And this jobs bill needs to be larger – much larger – to actually get something started.

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/12/8288026-nbcwsj-poll-despite-defeat-obamas-jobs-bill-is-popular

  10. WSClark

    My terminology describing the “9-9-9 Plan” was quite vulgar and harsh, it part of a line from the movie “Die Hard” but the fact is Cain’s fantasy is vulgar and harsh in it’s self. It flat out won’t work. It will dramatically increase taxes on the folks in the lower tax brackets and instantly reduce demand.

    Despite the whooping and hollering from the Right, the problem with the economy is not deficits, debt, regulations, taxes, phases of the moon or liberal curses. The problem is a lack of demand. The rest of the rhetoric is simply blowing smoke up America’s collective ass.

    The only thing that drives hiring and expansion is demand. There is nothing else in the equation.

    Let’s put it this way – you could eliminate ALL regulations, taxes, deficits, debt and liberal curses and it still wouldn’t make a damned bit of difference. Cutting taxes for those in the higher brackets solves nothing – they already spend what they want. The numbers are real simple. Those on the lower end spend, on average, 98% of their income. Those on the upper end of the scale spend, on average, 90% of their income. If you take more from those on the lower end, ignoring the human cost, it will further reduce demand.

    There is plenty of capital floating around to hire people – there just is NO demand to hire people.

    Cain’s “9-9-9 Plan” is nothing more than a gift horse for the folks in the upper brackets. They get the horse, the folks on the lower end get the horse shit.

    • 9-9-9 is just another Trojan Horse like the one dressed up as The Tea Party Express.

      IIRC – the original Tea Party people ranted against the Wall Street and bank bailouts – didn’t they?

      But NOW we are told by the ‘right’ that the Tea Party defends those who got bailed out?

      Of course, those current Tea Party people are the ones that fell for that Trojan Horse – aka Tea Party Express. Seems that particular horse was bought and paid for by corporate masters.