Friday, 9/23/11, Public Square

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  1. I didn’t watch the republican debate last night — the first one I’ve missed. Did I miss anything? The previous ones were so predictable — lie, criticize, lie some more. All the candidates seem to think that they can win the grand prize of both Houses and the White House, just by ruining the country. Did anyone actually have an idea or solution to anything this time, or was it just another criticize what is without any suggestions of how it could be improved?

    I haven’t heard any specific policy changes that could be implemented to replace current laws or current policies. The candidates mindlessly regurgitate “cut taxes” and create a business friendly environment. That’s exactly what bush the lesser did to get us into the mess we’re in! I want someone to ask the candidates: if taxes and regulations were cut previously and it failed, why do it again?

    • I didn’t watch it, too busy catching the first shows of the season of old favorites and new interests. BUT I did see a post that said Bachman said she promised to work toward no one paying ANY taxes. That your hard earned money was yours and you should be able to keep it. I don’t know if she actually said this, does sound like her though, but my thought was – if there’s no taxes are the politicians going to work for free with no healthcare or pensions?

      • Crazy, isn’t it? She works for an entity she has no confidence in, and wants to destroy. And, she wants a promotion so she can destroy the entity more quickly and effectively! My eyes openly widely and probably look weird like hers when I hear what she has to say.

  2. Clinton: ‘There Is Not A Single Solitary Example’ Of A Country That Has Succeeded With A Tea Party Philosophy

    You can stand up and say anything and nobody rings a bell if the facts are wrong. There’s no bell ringing. It’s crazy, we’re living in a time when it’s more important than ever to know things. And not just to know facts but to put them in a coherent. sensible pattern. And we live in a time, if you just want to talk about the economy, where the model that works for economic growth and prosperity is cooperation. But the model that works in politics is conflict.

    Clinton went on to challenge the emerging GOP consensus that government size and spending require dramatic cuts, observing that the most prosperous parts of the U.S. “look nothing like the anti-government ideal of the Tea Party crowd”:

    You know, there’s not a single solitary example on the planet, not one, of a country that is succesful because the economy has triumphed over the government and choked it off and driven the tax rates to zero, driven the regulations to nonexistent and abolished all government programs, except for defense, so people in my income group never have to pay a nickel to see a cow jump over the moon. There is no example of a succesful country that looks like that.

    While blasting the Tea Party’s economic policies, Clinton also acknowledged that the media plays an increasingly dangerous role in fanning the flames of partisan rancor.

  3. Poverty an invisible issue in GOP race

    When the U.S. Census Bureau reported last week that a record number of people were living in poverty, Republicans were quick to attach the figures to President Barack Obama, desperately trying to lay them at his feet.

    But anyone with common sense knows that someone doesn’t just fall into poverty overnight. The deplorable economic conditions that led to today’s poverty numbers began in 2007. Republicans often ignore such facts.

    Yet when you start digging deeper into the Census Bureau report, what stands out is that of the 10 poorest states in the country, most are the reddest in the nation — solidly GOP states.

    • indypendent

      I’ve said many times before – the Republicans cannot be shamed into taking any responsibility for causing poverty.

      These folks even went out and bought their own Godly group that twists the words of the Christian Bible to now read that the first man into Heaven is that rich man because – after all – we all owe everything to some rich man somewhere.

      eyes roll….

      I even heard one of those television preachers (and there are so many when you have satellite television) say that Jesus did not wear common clothes.

      No , indeed he did not. According to this man, Jesus wore only the finest linen.

      Hmm, kinda blows that whole nativity scene out of the water – doesn’t it?

  4. The Republican House has actually killed the government funding bill. This is the House that has, in the past 18 months or so, passed 13 pieces of legislation that have actually made it into law. Two of those bills were to re-name Federal buildings. This is the low water mark of all American Congresses. Our country is again staring down into an economic abyss and our right-wing Republican friends are still just satisfying themselves by throwing cold water on the economy and doing nothing positive for the citizens, while declaring that the President, who is the only one with a plan on the table, can’t run the country.

    Boehner, where are the jobs?

  5. indypendent

    Have any of the Republican candidates talked about We the People (as in ALL American citizens)?

    The only thing I’ve heard from this bunch is how corporations and the wealthy need to have those government subsidies (taxpayer-funded – BTW) in order for them to be prosperous.

    Well, what about the rest of Americans?

    What’s more important – why is no one in the GOP not calling them out on this issue?

    Surely, not everyone in the GOP is a millionaire or owns a corporation.

  6. I would like to share something my best friend and soul sister posted to Facebook Friday, September 23, 2011 at 12:45am:

    “I don’t care what you all say or think politically. I know that I’m an American, living in America. The stimulus money that President Obama infused into the economy, kept me working in an American Foundry making parts for bridges being built in America by American Iron Workers. With concrete mixed and hauled in America by Americans in American made mixers. Oh and a lot of those big cement trucks contained parts made in American foundries and assembled in America by Americans for Americans who all turned around and spent their paychecks in America!!! Just sayin….”

    I then asked her if I could quote:

    “Quote away, copy and paste, whatever. I’m just tired of hearing the same old crap coming out of peoples mouths who don’t have any idea what they’re talking about. They haven’t even come close to living it. The only effect the Chinese had on OUR infrastructure, was to drive scrap steel prices up by creating a world wide shortage. They were building their own infrastructure at a phenomenal rate. And you can quote me on that too.”

    We need more Americans giving testimonials to the positive effects they’ve experienced from things implemented by this administration. This is the only way to counter the negative media being pumped out by the right. We need people to speak out and speak often. Please share this and add your own.

    • “You can’t get there from here.”

      To exand a bit on what my friend wrote, I’m sure she’ll remember when the bridge on 2 hwy was being repaired. They closed it completely down. There was a detour, but you had to heed it many miles back from where the bridge was. I can’t count the number of people that thought they were going to be able to just detour a mile or two from the bridge and go around the construction. Hey People! there’s a river there, that’s why there’s a bridge. Out here in the boonies bridges are rare commodities. They doubled back and doubled back and usually ended up in Norwich asking how the heck to get to where they were going. Hours and miles later they were directed to the next closest bridge to get on their way. If our infrastructure fails, have fun getting anywhere. The jobs bill NEEDS to pass, not just to get people back to work, but keep America from actually crumbling.

      • indypendent

        Here’s another reason OUR infrastructure needs repaired and/or newly built –

        if George W. Bush and the GOP Pharisees saw fit to spend trillions building and rebuilding Iraq’s infrastructure (after we blew it up for no good reason) with US taxpayer money – then it is NOW time for America’s infrastructure to be the focus.

        But, I’m sure if the ‘right’ private contractors were to get those no-bid contracts – maybe that will move some of these holier-than-thou types to actually care about America?

    • Freebird1971

      In all honesty my life is pretty much the same as it was 4 years ago. The president is nothing more than the Madam of the biggest whore house in the country.

      • Before I respond I need to know: What was your life like 4 years ago.

      • Freebird1971

        Pretty dam good

      • I measure success as more than just how much money I have in the bank or in my IRA.

        But, I guess for those who think success is only measured by money – then GWB and GOP Pharisees should get the initial blame for the money losses – since it was under their watch that our economy crashed.

      • In all honesty, FB71, my life is pretty much the same, too. But I have family and friends that are in serious trouble. They’re tired of asking family and friends for help and working jobs that don’t pay the bills. Heaven help them if anyone needs to see a Dr. You just seem to be awful smug in your comfy little unchanging world, you should get out more. (and I’m a bit snarky)

        I don’t understand your president as Madam reference.

      • Hi, lillacluvr! I don’t think any of us were talking about success or who was to blame for the economy. The issue is the jobs bills and getting people back to work. You don’t EVEN talk about success when you’re not able to pay the basic bills and put food on the table. It’s survival. This is the point a lot of people are at right now. They need jobs that will pay their bills, feed their families and have affordable health care available. At this point it doesn’t matter who caused it.

      • Freebird1971

        Snark all you want. Doesn’t bother me. I am comfortable as is my family and will not apologize for it,I worked hard to get to this point. To explain my reference the prez is the CIC of the government and that includes Congress ,a bunch of folks who will sell their azz to the highest bidder so they are no better than a whore in a whorehouse.
        LILLA the the things make my life pretty damn good have nothing to do with money or what it can buy

      • Correct me if I’m wrong, but your post stating that nothing has changed for you in 4 years was an attempt to downplay my post about the benefits of the stimulus. If not, what? I am not attempting to downplay your hard work, but would hope that you show more empathy for those not so fortunate. You know, that whole walk a mile in their shoes thing?

        And as far as Obama being the Madam of the whorehouse, I’m going to have disagree on this simply because there would be a lot of beat up or missing whores if he really had that kind of power.

  7. indypendent

    I did not watch the GOP debate but I did find this on another blog.

    Seems like, once again, Republican audience members show their lack of class by booing a gay soldier.

    Well, let’s see, shall we count the incidences of Republicans showing their distaste for anyone exactly not like them (but, by the way, are just as much Americans as the rude Republicans in the audience)

    1) Republicans applauded 234 execution under Rick Perry’s watch.
    2) Republicans loudly cheered for an uninsured man’s death.
    3) A well known GOP-lovin’ Evangelical Christian televangelist labels victims of Alzheimers as the ‘walking dead’.
    4) And now they boo a gay soldier – simply based on being gay.

    And then the GOP gets their tighty-whitees in a bunch when they are called hateful, cruel and mean?

    What was it I just said about Republicans cannot be shamed? This group of people show their lack of class, lack of humanity, lack of compassion and lack of any faith in the true message of Christianity every time they do something like these incidences at the GOP debates.

    Just what is going on – is there some kind of race between these folks as to who can sink the lowest to make everyone see how ‘morally superior’ they are not?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/22/republican-debate-dadt-repeal-rick-santorum_n_977105.html

    • Sorry, my typing has been atrocious lately, but the link works, so I guess it’s okay. 🙂

    • Freebird1971

      I see absolutely nothing wrong with this the people that are opposed just want to impose their will on others. If you don’t like the message don’t go but let those that do want to attend. IMHO they are afflicted with nose trouble

      • I respectfully disagree for many reasons. And I don’t have any problems with my “nose.” Considering this took place in a southern state, I doubt if they’d be so open-minded if the rally had been held by a group of Buddhists or pagans. It’s all in how you look at it.

      • Freebird1971

        Agreeing to disagree is fine,it’s what makes life interesting.BTW I meant nothing personal in my post.

      • indypendent

        Was this a school event? If so, then were students required to attend?

        There goes your argument of just ‘don’t attend if you do not want to attend’

        Wicked brings up a valid point.

        What if this was a Muslim concert – would that be so heavily supported by Christians or would all hell break loose?

        I also have to point out – it seems to Evangelical Christians that cry the loudest about being persecuted as Christians but yet these are the same folks that would deny other religions the same public venue.

        America is for everybody – not just for ‘certain right’ people.

        I am a firm believer in separation of church and state. For one thing, if your religion gets mixed up in politics – then doesn’t that lower your religious beliefs to only things of man?

        Religious beliefs should be held up as sacred – not drug through the dirty game of politics.

        And let’s face it – Evangelical Christians have made a cottage industry out of their perceived ‘persecution’ by others when they are not allowed full run of their religious beliefs at the discrimination of other relgiions.

        I suspect it is because most of these Evangelicals are only dog and pony show Christians. Maybe if they were more grounded in their religious beliefs, they would not be so insecure?

      • Freebird1971

        From what I understand it was not a school sponsored event.

      • Holding religious programs/events on school property DURING school hours is against the law. It’s not a matter of just don’t attend, there is a social stigma attached to those that don’t and peer pressure in school age children can scar a child for life. If you want to teach your children about religion, take them to church. I think we need to take our science books to these imposing churches during their services and insist that they give equal time to evolution. I haven’t seen anyone doing THAT, so how is it that we’re trying to force OUR beliefs on YOU!

      • Freebird1971

        And let’s face it – Evangelical Christians have made a cottage industry out of their perceived ‘persecution’ by others when they are not allowed full run of their religious beliefs at the discrimination of other relgiions.

        I am for full run of anyone’s beliefs,so I will ask you do you think these people would have the same reaction if it was a Muslim event held in a public building?

      • Freebird, I took nothing in your comment as personal. Just saying my nose is okay. Well, not perfect, but… 😉 I try to keep it out of the business–and religious beliefs–of others. I’d like others to do the same for me. I think that’s known as the Golden Rule. 🙂

        Just being silly, so ignore.

      • As to whether there would be the same reaction over a Muslim event, I think so. I’ve never seen or heard of one, so I don’t know what that would look like. I’ve NEVER heard of ANY other religion trying this, have you? But because we tell them they can’t, we’re trying to shove OUR beliefs down their throats. Hmmmm…. how does that work?

    • Freebird1971

      I don’t agree with most on here but I do admit I pause to consider what you post. IIRC your nose looks just fine.

  8. Freebird1971

    Interesting that I saw nothing in the article that stated it was a school sponsored event or that it was held during school hours,or that it was a mandatory assembly,if this is not the case please point out where these items are mentioned in the article

    • “But this is the most blatant event I have seen, an assembly held during the school day.”

      “Those who did not wish to attend had an alternative option!…”

      A one-paragraph report on the school’s web site, apparently written by a student who is identified as a “Hawk News Team Correspondent,” called the event a “worship rally” with strobe lights and music. The school’s mascot is a Hawk.
      “The students were all stirred up and captivated by B-SHOC’s mesmerizing light show. While performing, lyrics on the screen got the kids singing and rapping about Jesus,” the report said. It added Chapman “brought a powerful message to which the middle school students could easily relate. Before the day ended, 324 kids had either been saved, or had recommitted their lives to the Lord.”

      On Wednesday, B-SCHOC’s web site contained a YouTube video that showed him performing in the school’s gym, bleachers lined with uniformed students. While walking the hallway, the rapper said the event was being held in a public school for 6th, 7th and 8th graders, and that “324 got saved.”

  9. I think that public buildings can be rented for private interests in some places. I would not object to this. Promoting this at school, during school hours is questionable.

  10. It’s more than questionable. It’s wrong.

    I’m familiar with the Freedom from Religion group and know that it wouldn’t matter what religion was doing this. The thing is, in this country, which is predominantly Christian, Christians are too often given a free pass.

    • Not only given a free pass – one particular political party seems to think it is Christians’ God-given right to do as they please, how they please and to whom they please and NEVER be questioned.

      I do not want any religious group coming into a public school and then have their leader bragging about getting 324 saved.

      Seriously, I am a Christian and that guy did not ‘save’ 324 – God might have entered their lives and hopefully their outlook on life may be changed into positive.

      But no human being ‘saves’ 324 people from hell.