Wednesday, 9/21/11, Public Square

Turns out the DADT policy silenced the wrong people!


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45 responses to “Wednesday, 9/21/11, Public Square

  1. Most of us agree that repealing DADT was long overdue and a small step toward equality. I am thankful even for baby steps as long as it’s progress. We’ve a long row to hoe but we can do it even if it’s one baby step at a time.

    The women’s suffrage movement began in the mid 1800s and it was 1920 when women finally won the vote throughout our nation. There may still come a day when women gain true equality too.

    It’s worth the fight!

    • indypendent

      The Koch Brothers were correct when they said this election is the mother of all wars.

      If Republicans win control of Washington, look for all the successes to be repealed – and quickly.

  2. We are the 99 percent. We are getting kicked out of our homes. We are forced to choose between groceries and rent. We are denied quality medical care. We are suffering from environmental pollution. We are working long hours for little pay and no rights, if we’re working at all. We are getting nothing while the other 1 percent is getting everything. We are the 99 percent.

  3. indypendent

    Looks like the House Republicans are once again about to show their dirty diapers to the world once again while they stomp their feet and demand they get what they want or they will poop some more on the American people.

    • I was reading this morning about $16 dollar muffins at Justice Department meetings.

      My first thought was Congress better not try to cut any entitlement program, or any other expense that benefits Americans until they clean house. If the republicans push these ‘austerity moves’ they’ll have to answer for a lot of waste they’re ignoring.

      It’s our money.

      • A $16 muffin? Justice Dept. audit finds ‘wasteful’ and extravagant spending

        A report released Tuesday by the department’s acting inspector general, Cynthia A. Schnedar, is full of what she called “wasteful or extravagant spending” at 10 law enforcement conferences spanning the George W. Bush and Obama administrations. Descriptions of cookies and brownies costing the government nearly $10 each and beef Wellington hors d’oeuvres at $7.32 per serving struck a nerve in Washington, where austerity and belt-tightening are the watchwords at a time of economic hardship.

        Most of the conferences studied were held or planned during the Bush administration, and the report included a May 2009 memo from then-Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden vowing that the Obama administration would crack down on conferences and other “extravagant spending, especially during these challenging financial times.’’

      • indypendent

        Ohn, now fnord, if that $16 muffin was sold by a loyal Republican during the Bush Administration – I bet that the was best darn muffin in the world. And well worth the money because, after all, everybody knows any self-respecting Repubilcan DESERVES a $16 muffin.

        heavy sarcasm/

        BTW – I agree with the report about wasteful spending – but does anyone here really expect wasteful spending to be curtailed?

  4. Here’s another move the republicans will attempt (and don’t you know how many of those additional million young adults now covered, and their parents, will be paying attention) —

    Drop in Uninsured Young Adults

    Parents may have one less reason to worry about their kids. The number of young adults, age 18-25, with health insurance has jumped by about 1 million over the past year, defying the trend of almost every other demographic group. President Obama’s health care law, which allows young people to use their parents’ health insurance plan until age 26, is presumably behind this increase. Such expanded coverage may be short-lived, though, as House Republicans aim to repeal Obama’s law.

    • indypendent

      I was talking with an acquaintance with whom I’ve struck a casual friendship.

      Anyway – this woman’s youngest son is 23 yrs old and she told me last week that he was in the hospital Well, today I asked her how he was doing and she said he was fine and got to go home.

      The doctors changed his medications and one costs $150 and the other one costs $200. When I said ‘ouch’, she also volunteered that he did not have insurance because he did not work enough hours to get health insurance.

      She then proceeded to bash Obama because next year her son will be fined for not having insurance. She then went on to express her feelings that she did not like Obama (which is fine, not everybody has to like him) but she also ragged on Clinton as being the worst because of his lack of morals.

      Well, that was when I had to interject some of my own opinions and I said – if you’re going to judge by lack of morals, then I guess you do not support the Republicans either, huh?

      She looked like I had just hit her with a wet rag.

      But, back to the lack of insurance issue – does the 23 yr old son have to be in college and live with the parents to qualify to stay on the parents’ insurance? I do not know the details of this – does anyone know?

      Because, the father works at an aviation company here in Wichita and has very good health insurance plan – so if they’re so concerned about him being fined for not having health insurance, then why not just get on his parents’ plan?

      • indypendent

        BTW – I wonder who pays for this young guy’s hospital stay?

      • No, young adults do not have to be anything but young and not eligible for coverage of their own — up to 26 years old to stay on their parent’s policies.

        I have two grandsons (21 and 23) who are employed, one is still in school, both are at the beginning of their careers and aren’t offered insurance for their part-time work, they both live on the west coast and are covered by their parents who live here in town.

        Here’s a place to start for info about young adults coverage —

      • Makes no sense!

        Maybe he’ll make payments on his medical bills (for a long, long time)?

        Maybe she is one of the many people who don’t think they’re getting anything from the government when their young son gets Medicaid?

      • indypendent

        Thanks for the info – fnord. Think I’ll tell her to look into that resolution of the problem the next time I see her.

        Do you think she will listen?

        I got the feeling she is a dyed-in-the-wool Republican, so chances are she will not listen.

        Maybe I should just give her the website link to do some research?

        But this young man has a chronic medical condition. I wonder what he will do if the Republicans repeal health care reform and he will never qualify to even get health insurance coverage?

        There are none so blind as those who refuse to see .

      • This might be an avenue to show her how beneficial the Affordable Care Act could be. Maybe if she understood.

      • The only other thought I have is maybe she and her hubby don’t currently pay for dependent coverage and don’t want to. In that case I doubt anything you say will make any difference, but do realize she doesn’t deserve empathy when she complains about her son’s illness while being unwilling to help.

      • indypendent

        I had the same thought about the parents not wanting to pay to put him on their policy.

        As a parent, I do not understand that type of thinking. Especially when they have a chronic medical condtiion that requires alot of meds and medical care.

        Just what are ICU rooms going for these days???

      • She could have her son pay the costs of the coverage — bet it would be a whole bunch cheaper than the medical costs. Or, he can get his medical bills paid by the state and she can pretend that isn’t government help.

      • I don’t know what specialized care costs but it must be a bunch!

        The hospital charged $42,000 for a four-day stay for two knee replacements. However, there was about $23,000 written off as a contractual agreement with our insurance company. So, if they could afford to do that for $19,000 for someone with insurance why in the hell would they charge $42,000 to the uninsured??

      • indypendent

        It’s all a part of the racket game. Even with health care reform- that racket game is still a racket.

        I never asked if he was on Medicaid – but maybe so?

        I’ve shared with you all about the costs of my 32-day hospital stay – and it was so depressing, I never wanted to even look at the damn things until my strength came back from being so weak.

        But at that point in the game, my husband and I knew I had far exceeded my deductible and my out-of-pocket limit. And we still had chemo treatments, CT scans, weekly labs, weekly office visits and anythng else that came up to deal with.

        I tell you, just getting sick in America will break you and for alot of years following…

        And we had very good insurance.

      • indypendent

        FWIW – I still have a huge binder of all my medical bills from my cancer journey.

        It’s something else…..

  5. “There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody. You built a factory out there — good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory… Now look. You built a factory and it turned into something terrific or a great idea — God Bless! Keep a Big Hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.” — Elizabeth Warren

    • indypendent

      I like Elizabeth Warren…..Wish we have a million more just like her.

    • Newly-elected Brazilian president Dilma Rousseff gave the first speech at the United Nations General Assembly today, becoming the first woman ever to do the honors. She called this “the century of women.”

      That sounds good!

      • indypendent

        I was watching a documentary last week. There were a group of futurists in the room and they were discussing the major problems in our world today and how we need to find resolutions.

        Interestingly enough, half of these men stated the #1 problem is the lack of water in the future.

        IIRC – our own prairiepond has addressed this issue several times??

        Other prominent problems were huge global companies, global economies, food and nuclear war threats.

        But one thing a majority of these futurists stated was quite startling. They said in order for the world population to survive, that we are going to be seeing more local economies emerge. More food sources will be grown locally. Everything we see and hear now is about the ‘global economy’ and the ‘global markets’.

        But according to these futurists, the global thinking is not sustainable. In order for people to really survive -the basic needs will have to be supplied locally.

        Then I got to thinking about the 2012 Mayan calendar. I remember reading that this is the year of enlightenment. Maybe this is what is coming in the future?

        Will people return to the ways of the olden days when we had local shops, local farms, local banks, etc. So, rather than all this one-world global corporation rule – more of our own livelihoods will be local-based?

        This documentary was called the Prophets of Doom. And, I did not watch the entire program but I did find myself thinking about what they said – long after the show. And I remember each and every one of them said the same thing – humans will survive but they will have to change their way of thinking to do so.

  6. indypendent

    I have not watched SNL for quite awhile (briefly when Tina Fey was doing her stint as Sarah Palin during 2008) so I did not even know what this article was talking about.

    But, excuse me, isn’t this still America where Republicans profess to be all about the free market and capitalism? Ben & Jerry’s is a very successful company and if their latest product sells, then there must be a market for it. And isn’t that what the Republicans profess to say they want?

    Besides – I suspect now that the American people know that Conservative Moms, an offshoot of the American Family Associaton, doesn’t like Ben & Jerry’s – the sales of Schweddy’s Balls is going through the roof!

  7. indypendent

    In keeping with the above cartoon – the part about the DADT that really bothered me was how any person could turn in another person just on the ‘whisper’ that they were gay.

    Just imagine having to live with that fear? What if you were being sexually harassed and you refused the agressor. All that person had to do was to make a report that they thought you were gay. Then all the focus and attention would be placed on the person who was then being victimized twice – being harassed and then being lied about.

    Or what about if someone was jealous – couldn’t the mere inference that you were gay turn into the end of a person’s career?

    The DADT was wrong for so mean reasons – but just in the real world sense – I suspect this was used as a weapon of choice by more than just a few hate-filled crittters.

    • indypendent

      After re-reading my comment – I feel the need to clarify that when I referenced living with the fear – I did not mean just the heterosexuals living with the fear of being outed.

      I cannot even imagine living with the fear of knowing there are such hate-filled people who find pleasure in harassing someone just because they happen to be homosexual.

      Call me naive – but I just don’t understand how so much hate can be generated by simply knowing someone’s sexual preference.

      But, then again, I have never understood why the woman is always branded with a Scarlet Letter for adultery but the man gets off scot free?

    • As some know, I spent 4 years in the USAF, most of that time defending Northern Indiana from invasion by the Viet Cong and NVA, and later from invasion by “the Communist hordes” and Arab terrorists (quite successfully, BTW :-)). One case I recall was based on the allegation made by a male NCO that a certain blonde female A1C was a “lesbian”, based solely on the fact that she would not date him (he was married, BTW). Nor would she date others, based on the simple fact that she had a boyfriend “back home”. This was before DADT, and the administrative discharge process lept into motion, based solely on the a-holes naked allegation. She fought it for quite a while, but after she was permanently assigned to policing the base, she let us make a deal to get her an Honorable discharge so she could put the entire thing behind her. Nothing ever happened to him (at least USAF wise, (rumor had it his wife divorced him), as it was a “he said, she said” with no other evidence. RHIP, I guess.

      • indypendent

        I wonder how many cases like this have happened? On the other hand, maybe I don’t want to know?

        It will only make my problem with cynicism grow larger…

  8. indypendent

    What does everyone think about Rick Perry criticizing the American President about his Israel policy (Perry called them arrogant and dangerous) while the negotiatons about Israel and Palestine are currently going on?

    At this moment in time, Palestine is trying to get statehood through the UN and Rick Perry chooes this time to criticize the sitting American President?

    And to think the Dixie Chicks were blackballed and called all kinds of names just because they simply stated they were ashamed to be from the same state as George W. Bush and Republicans stated no one should criticize the sitting president while on foreign soil.

    Republicans – they sure are a hypocritical bunch, aren’t they?

    • indypendent

      BTW – I wonder if Rick Perry and other Evangelical Christian Republicans even bothered to find out how Obama feels about Palestine being given statehood through the UN?

      If these folks would stop yelling long enough, they would know that Obama is against Palestine getting statehood and the reason being is because not enough progress has been made by both Israel and Palestine to resolve their differences.

      But, let’s not let the facts get in the way of a good Obama hate-fest led by the Evangelicals who firmly believe that God wants the US to be the pit bull attack dog for the Israel – no questions asked – just attack when our chain is pulled.


      Everything a republican does is fine and dandy, hunky dory OK! If a democrat does it, it is unpatriotic or worse.

      Yes, hypocritical, but even that IOKIYAR.

      • indypendent

        Well, I guess it does help to be Evangelical. That narrow version of hijacked Christianity seems to be very good at hyprocrisy.

        I should know ……I lived in their midst for way too many years…..LMAO

      • indypendent

        I just heard someone on MSNBC talking about Perry’s criticism of Obama. And I think this guy hit the nail on the head when he stated – this plays very well to the Republican base.

      • Their number one goal is to make sure President Obama is a one-term president and they’ve proven time and again they don’t care who they hurt or whether they take the entire country down while attempting to accomplish that goal.

      • indypendent

        Sadly, you’re right.

        Republicans are keeping millions out of work so they can put one man out of his job.

  9. indypendent

    I’ve heard of this organization. I’ve even bought some of their food packages in order to give to those who could not afford the price to buy one on their own.

    I always thought this nonprofit group was one of the good guys – but I sure did not know about those $500,000 a year salaries and the originators of this business even had their kids working with them. But, then again, if I could make $500,000 a year and put my kids on the dole, as well, I would have to give it some thought.

    But, then, I would have to find a one to live with myself….

    Why, oh why, are these so-called Christian ministries the ones that seem to end up like this?

    • indypendent

      correction: find a one to live = find a way to live

    • Asher Bob White

      I believe Christian ministries, and others, are taught by organizations who follow Paul (the church) and not by good individuals (men & women) who follow Jesus (the teacher). Big difference!

      • We need more people who know that truth!

      • I could not agree more, which is why I personally refer to such as “Paulines” and not “Christians”. I won’t go into my rationale, but I am informed there are many who agree, but who, for the most part, do not make this known (especially in today’s political and social climate).

    • indy, it (high salaries, etc.), are epidemic among nonprofits. I know you are not a masochist, but if you have these tendencies, review the public information contained on these organizatons’ Forms 990, as filed with “our friends in D.C.”. It’s a rude awakening, in many cases.

      • indypendent

        I guess I am still naive enough to think that when Christians profess to follow Jesus, I expect them to follow Jesus and not Paul (?)