Friday, 9/9/11, Public Square

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  1. A primer on Social Security

    “It [Social Security] is a monstrous lie. It is a Ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years today you’re paying into a program that’s going to be there.” –Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), Sept. 8, 2011

    When the front-running presidential candidate for the Republican Party makes such an inaccurate statement about such a fundamental government program during a debate, it’s time for a primer on Social Security. Here are some answers to basic questions about the program, which is frequently mischaracterized in political discourse.

  2. Rep. Jeff Landry knew not to yell at President Barack Obama during his jobs address Thursday night to Congress. That move made Rep. Joe Wilson famous a couple of years ago, and not necessarily for the better. Instead, Republican leaders urged their members to show up, keep an open mind and be polite — voters were anxious and Congress’ bickering had angered large majorities of them.

    So Landry, R-La., instead printed out a small white sign to raise when Obama mentioned how, exactly, he planned to put more Americans to work.

    “Drilling(equals)jobs,” it read in big black letters. Seated two rows behind the well-mannered Wilson, R-S.C., Landry held it up when Obama acknowledged that Republicans might have ideas different from his $447 billion jobs package.

    It was only a modest departure from decorum, but a sure signal that more than policy disagreements remain between Obama and congressional Republicans whose standoff over raising the debt ceiling last month brought the country to the brink of default. The markets and recession-weary Americans didn’t appreciate the suspense. The nation’s credit rating suffered for the bickering, and Congress’ favorable ratings dropped to around 12 percent.

    • indypendent

      And after all the drilling – then what?

      The Republiicans have nothing but one idea – to rape and pillage our country of all its oil and to never think beyond that point.

      And what makes it even worse is that Evangelical Christians are there to applaud these rapists. My Bible tells me that God told man to be good stewards of the Earth.

      How is taking-taking-taking and never giving back being good stewards?

    • Printed like a real Louisiannan, where the mess from Katrina still hasn’t been cleaned up, and the oil spills are still clogging the water. Yeah, lots of jobs cleaning birds with Dawn dishwashing liquid. (TIC)

  3. Ron Paul Says ‘Too Much Government’ Caused 9/11

    Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) is known for his anti-Government rhetoric, but he took it to a whole new level by saying “too much Government” is responsible for 9/11, because guns aren’t allowed on airplanes.

    • indypendent

      All but one of the 9/11 hijackers were from SAudi Arabia – but yet GWB held hands and strolled through that garden with the Saudi KIng.

      But not yet one Repubilcan dared to ask GWB if he eve asked the Saudi King – what’s up with your home boys plowing those planes into my Twin Towers – dude.

      There are alot of unanswered questions about 9/11.

      And one I would really like an answer to is this – exactly what benefit would Saudi Arabia have to get GWB to do their dirty work of getting Saddam Hussein out of power?

      Hussein was a dictator, no doubt, but no one in the Middle East liked Hussein.

      Just think – what if 9/11 really was done by the Saudis to get their puppet boy GWB to do their dirty work for them? The US would go bankrupt. The US would have the dead soldiers. The US would get the blame.

      And the SAudis keep selling oil to the US – and controlling the price.

      How sweet of a deal is that – if you’re Saudia Arabia.

      BTW – Didn’t the US sell $60 billion of military weapons to Saudia Arabia last year? That is about as smart as when Bob Dole and other Republicans lobbied to get the Saudis in charge of security at all US ports.

      • The one question I want answered is why was NORAD down? But then that leads to more. The one and only time it’s down, and our “monuments” get hit by terrorists? Did the terrorists know the date when there would be no one watching the skies? And if so, how did they know? Who told them?

  4. “Pass this jobs bill,” said President Obama. Then he said it again. Then he said it again. And again. All in all, he asked Congress to “pass this jobs bill,” or some variant thereof, 12 times during Thursday’s jobs speech.

    That got to the essential truth behind the speech: all the president can do is ask Congress to pass his bill. The only direct leverage he has is his ability to make the ideas popular and their refusal unpopular. He can’t make them pass the bill. He can’t pass it himself. He can’t use an executive order. He can propose ideas and use the bully pulpit to force them onto the agenda. After that, it’s up to Congress.

    The proposal itself is called “The American Jobs Act” and amounts to about $450 billion worth of ideas that have, at other times, commanded a bipartisan consensus.

    What’s in the president’s jobs plan

    • If the marketing plan — President Obama taking these ideas to all the corners of our country — is successful and Congress can’t find some agreement it will be patently obvious the republicans want the economy to fail, want the president to fail and they aren’t bothered by taking down America to get what they want.

      • indypendent

        Sad to say, I think there are some on the Far Right that would not care if America comes crashing down.

        I still remember which ones of the Far Right Republicans proudly boasted they wanted America to default on its debts and become a Deadbeat.

        Of course, these are the buffoons who now blame Obama for US getting that credit downgrade.

        Unfrickin.. believable.

      • indypendent

        P.S. – And it goes without saying, these same buffoons are usually wearing their narrow-version of Christianity on their sleeve like some badge of honor.

        There is a reason why the Bible tells us to give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s and give unto God what is God’s.

        To me, this verse sums it up pretty plain an simple – do not mix your politics with your religion.

        But, then again, I am not into all the power-driven, egotistical Evangelicals who profess to be so morally righteous but yet only quest for power and all that tax free money from politics.

        I watched Televangelist Pat Robertson yesterday for as long as I could stomach the man (about 5 minutes is my limit) and he actually laughed off that $200 stimululs payment that Obama had given people early in his first year.

        Pat Robertson actually laughed and said – what is $200 going to do for anybody?

        Well, Pattie, since everyone is not like you – a milllonaire televangelist – $200 would do alot for some people. Especially those who are working minimum wage jobs or working two jobs just so that the record-breaking profit-making corporations that millionarire televanglists support can get those taxpayer-funded subsidies and special tax breaks.

        I wonder if God found Pattie to be so clever and humorous when he was demonizing that $200 as being nothing?

  5. WSClark

    Watching Rachel last night after the football games…………….. Rachel and I are on a first name basis now. I call her “Rachel” and she calls me “That Creepy Guy from Kansas.” I guess that is a term of endearment back East.

    Anyway, she showed a clip of Barack Obama during his first press con immediately after the election, before he took office. She noted how young Barack looked then, compared to today, with his graying hair and drawn face. That got me to thinking, what would McCain look like today had he been elected president?

    Holy, shit!

    Now, that is a way scary thought! Rachel’s point, however, was that Obama was calling for stimulus then, and he did again in December 2009 and again last night. She showed a revised graph that noted that the economy actually shrunk by 3.8% in the third quarter of ’08 and a grab-your-ass-and-hold-on 8.9% in the fourth quarter.

    When your Tea Con friends whine and moan and try to whip out the same ole GOP playbook, mention that number.

    The economy shrank by nearly NINE PERCENT during the last quarter of the Bush Presidency.

    If that doesn’t end the conversation, then you are obviously dealing with morons.

    (Insert appropriate joke here.)

    • indypendent

      Republican/Tea Party/Evangelical Republicans have this wonderful ability to not see anything before Obama’s first day after he won the election in Nov 2008.

      As I understand Republicans’ logic – it goes like this: Republicans are not only good, they are God’s favorite. Democrats are evil and destined for Hell.

      Did I leave anything out?

  6. indypendent

    Here is an issue that needs serious discussion – but as pointed out in the article, the Tea Party only seems to know one mantra – deport everyone that does not look like me.

    I was rather surprised at Mitt Romney during the debate when he said that illegal immigration has to also be addressed by punishing these employers who are knowingly hiring illegal immigrants. Now, let’s see what the establishment GOP has to say about Mitt because I suspect that would crimp some corporations’ record-breaking profits if they had to hire legal American citizens.

    http://nationaljournal.com/columns/political-connections/why-america-must-bridge-the-widening-gap-between-the-brown-and-the-gray-20110908

    • That’s a powerful op-ed piece! Boy are you correct when you say the topic needs serious discussion. I long for our country to respect, and embrace the lessons of diversity. We have so much to learn from and to teach each other! At the same time I’m aware of how my own generation (the grays) is behaving. It makes me ashamed. This quote from the link is a fact that can’t be ignored: “The irony is that security for the gray requires opportunity for the brown: Unless America can equip its young people to obtain good-paying jobs, Social Security and Medicare will face increasing financial strain. As usual, Americans will rise or fall together…”

  7. I understand that many will not agree with this op-ed, but I do. It’s just something that verbalizing in a group could get you stomped on.

    Let’s Cancel 9/11

    I’ve been to Ground Zero, and I wept. But there comes a time when we need to let go and move forward. If the lesson hasn’t yet been learned—and I’m not convinced the real one has—then it’s too late.

    • I agree too.

      America was attacked, these people died, and that is a sorrow to not only their families but mankind. Then America went to war to ___________. I honestly don’t know. To avenge the attack and the deaths? I just know the deaths of all those people was used as justification to continue the killing. Lots of people, not just soldiers, died. Will their names be read, will bells toll for them? Then the war cost so much money citizens have died as a result of the economic collapse. Will their names be read, will bells toll for them? Will anyone even admit that continuing the killing is madness? Will we acknowledge the sorrow of all the deaths?

      i can’t walk in the rain anymore
      when all the clouds are crying
      and my tears are lost
      in so much sorrow.
      my pain is too personal
      to be as public
      as a thunderstorm.

    • Freebird1971

      I disagree 100% I have moved on but will always stop and remember 9/11 which is BTW officially Patriots Day.

      • indypendent

        There is a time to remember and then there is a time to not ‘celebrate’.

        And too many times, I feel, there are too many people who use 9/11 as a weapon of choice.

        And by that I mean, there are people who continue to use 9/11 as a rallying cry to go and kill all Muslims (as we saw during during the mosque building fight – which, btw, the Far Right Talk Radio used incessantly to boost their ratings).

        And then to find out that some of the recommendations from the 9/11 Commission are still not put into place?

        I heard a report today that there is still a problem with the different agencies being able to communicate with one another.

        WTH……It’s been 10 frickin years – and if our country cannot come together and stop making 9/11 a partisan political event – then we deserve to see our country go down in defeat.

        I don’t say that lightly – but it is very true that house divided cannot stand.

        And we are about as divided as we can be at this moment in time.

      • Well and good, Freebird. I certainly won’t argue with you. But there’s a difference between continuing to make a big deal of it, year after year after year, and stopping to remember.

        Patriots Day? Oh, good grief. (I’m sincerely sorry if you find that offensive.) This is not how people heal, and if the government were honest (using ‘were’ because it apparently isn’t a possibility), it would admit the mistakes made and do something to change things, not parade these families around and dredge up the crap every year for eternity. Any person with common sense or a psych degree would agree.

      • Freebird1971

        Well Wicked I don’t have a psych degree but do have common sense and I am not offended, I will continue to observe Patriot’s Day and stop to honor and remember those who were lost on 9/11. That day was the day that started my son on the road to war,a war along with the one in Afghanistan that no one has the balls to end

      • Thanks, Freebird. You understand that it’s not personal, just a disagreement. And opposing thoughts and beliefs can be a good idea as long as we keep our minds and hearts open.

        See, I’d have problems honoring Patriots Day for the very reasons you state. Well, that and the fact I think we have too darned many “days.”

        Your son and others did what they felt was right. There’s nothing wrong with that. As for the endless wars…We have always been at war with eastasia. 😉 I fear we’ve forgotten what it’s like not to be at war somewhere with someone.

        Call me a pacifist. I won’t disagree with you about that. 🙂

      • Freebird1971

        Indy I do agree with you on how divided this country is. The last time I remember the country ever being divided like this was during Viet Nam

  8. indy, I agree with you.

  9. Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I just had a thought. If Patriots Day was used for something good, something like stopping to think exactly what happened—3 buildings were attacked—I’d be more apt to honor it. 1 target was a world financial center, smack in the middle of our own national financial center. Another was the building housing the heart of our army, air force, navy, etc.. aka government. The target of the third was one of the two major government buildings in our country, either the White House or the Capitol.

    This wasn’t directed at our country. This was directed at our government for sticking noses in where they don’t belong. Yes, it is devastatingly horrid that innocents were killed. But it got our attention, didn’t it? And like a sore that isn’t allowed to heal, the memory of the atrocious act will continue to fester because, as indy said, that’s what they want. We collectively continue to drink the Koolaid.

    • Freebird1971

      If we all agreed on everything this would be a pretty boring world to live in

      • indypendent

        Agreed , life would be boring if we all agreed.

        But in the end, I can understand where wicked is coming from.

        Because if Bin Laden set out to bankrupt America for poking its nose into the Middle East. – well he got his wish – didn’t he?

        And, we are still there in the hell holes. And to make matters even worse – we have those on the Far Right that still want to invade Iran and/or North Korea.

        Just when will this lesson of war mongering doesn’t work be learned?

        The US is still dependent on foreign oil. The US still sells weapons to Muslims – remember the $62 billion sale to Saudia Arabia last year?

        BTW – all but one of the 9/11 hijackers came from SAudia Arabia….

        Do we really think it is wise to sell them $62 billion in weapons?

        Oh, excuse me, I forgot who I was talking about – if the miliatry industrial complex wants to make their profit at the expense of our country – who am I to question them?

  10. indypendent

    As far I am concerned, I do think we as a country can tend to go overboard on ‘celebrating’ certain days.

    And as for putting out issues to discuss – why is 9/11 any more important of a day than any other day any American sacrifices his/her life for their country?

    Freebird – I applaud your son for going to fight for our country but I do have to question the wisdom of President George W. Bush who knowingly sent our brave soldiers into that hell hole. And then even before the 9/11 Commission was established – GWB dragged his feet on forming the damn Committee?

    And we still have not implemented some necessary recommendations?

    That is my complaint about this entire thing.

    But, I also have a personal remembrance day coming up on Sept. 14th – 3 days after 9/11. My sister-in-law woke up that morning and felt too ill to make my brother’s lunch and coffee and she laid back down in bed. My brother went to the kitchen to make his lunch and the coffee and came back to the bedroom to find his wife of 32 years dead from a massive coronary.

    Is life fair? Hell no……

    • Freebird1971

      Damn Indy,I’m sorry about your loss,I hope I didn’t stir up painful memories. If I did I sincerely apologize.

      • indypendent

        No, you didn’t stir up any painful memories. But as you can see, alot of days of remembrance have nothing to do with these damn wars.

        But I do think you and I agree on these wars need to be stopped and stopped NOW.

        Unfortunately, I do think the Republicans glorify war – and in that glorification, they somehow try to make it our patriotic duty and anyone that questions them – are called traitors.

    • Freebird1971

      On the other hand I question Obama not ending the wars,and scheduling the largest troop withdrawal right before the election. Don’t misunderstand me I think Bush was wrong to start the wars.

      • indypendent

        That withdrawal plan was scheduled under George W. Bush – I beleive?

        I’m not saying Obama has done everything I want him to do about these wars either – don’t get me wrong.

        But Obama is between a rock and a hard place – but I do think Obama approaches the wars differently than Bush did. Obama tries to use his brain power and not all those bombs and big guns that go BOOM.

      • Freebird1971

        I need to check the time table out

  11. I never meant anyone to think I wouldn’t remember and feel sorrow at all the death and devastation. I will always. I don’t want it made political, I don’t want the tragedy used for anything or by anyone with an agenda and feel that’s what has happened.

    • indypendent

      I agree 100% – too many times tragic events are made into political fodder.

      That is why I felt George W. Bush was totally wrong to not join Obama at the Ground Zero site after Osama bin Laden was killed.

      That act alone of seeing GWB and Obama together – perhaps would have gone a long way towards healing this deep political divide.

      (Fixed the Osama/Obama boo-boo. WSC)

      • indypendent

        Oh, I left the blog for a while – did I do that – sorry.

        I usually just call the bastard Bin Laden by his last name – I don’t even give him the courtesy of using his first name.

  12. The ‘remembrance ceremony’ will call out the names of the victims of 9/11 — at least those that died from the planes flown into bldgs. and a field.

    What about all the other victims? That day started the dominoes falling.

    Are we remembering everyone who was a victim of that day, or only the few whose deaths were used to justify all the other deaths, all the other victims?

    • indypendent

      What about all the soldiers’ names who died in Iraq and Afghanistan?

      I remember George W. Bush being furious over the fact that some networks were showing their pictures and reciting their names at the end of a news broadcast.

      And we all remember how touchy Dubya got about the media covering the coffins being taken off the planes.

      Wow – for wanting such an outlandish wars – why claim to be so sensitive about seeing and/or reporting the casualties of those same outlandish wars?

  13. Uh, Patriot’s Day (or Patriots’ Day) is a holiday mainly observed in MA and ME to commemoeate the Battle of Bunker Hill, in April of each year, marked by the Boston Marathon. Per the younger, the public schools are not in session that day, and many High School Juniors use the day to visit various college campuses. As some of you know, she was a tour guide for 3 years at Colby College, and Patriot’s Day was always a day when the guides were extra busy, and, of course, classes were in session.

    Sept 11 is officially “Patriot Day”, as I understand it. Not a federal holiday, etc., but a day of remembrance.