Thursday, 8/11/11, Public Square

Have you ever wondered under which President the debt increased the most? (R) Regan 189%, (R) G.HW Bush 55%, (D) Clinton 37%, (R) G.W. Bush 115%, (D) Obama 16%. Under Republican Presidencies the debt has increased 359%, compared to 53% under Democratic Presidencies. Facts are facts.

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  1. Before the stock markets opened today we were about 60% higher than the low Bush the lesser took us to. Yes, after losing about 10% this week, we’re still 60% higher than we were in late 2008. President Obama has been in office 2 1/2 years and the country has improved slowly on every measure except unemployment. Those numbers are abysmal.

    I don’t remember which television person was promoting his idea, but it’s one I would like to see developed further. He said President Obama should go out into every nook and cranny (my words) of our country and identify the bridges that are unsafe, the failures of our crumbling infrastructure should all be publicized. One example he used was to go to Minnesota (Michele Bachmann territory) and film the bridge the school bus goes over that is near collapse. Talk to America in plain terms — don’t say ‘infrastructure,’ say ‘bridge.’ When he asks for money to put Americans to work to make that and millions of other bridges safe wait for Bachmann and her ilk to react and tell those same Americans why we shouldn’t spend the money to fix the crumbling bridges, why it’s OK for the school bus full of kids to not have safe bridges. Go on offense! I like the idea and can’t see why it wouldn’t be effective.

  2. Boehner, where are the jobs you promised? You and your GOP cadre promised you knew exactly what was wrong and how to fix it. So when do the solutions kick in? In fact, what are your solutions?

    • Freebird1971

      IMHO neither party has done diddly squat when it comes to jobs

      • indypendent

        True, but one party pushed through unfunded tax cuts to wealthy on the promise of creating jobs.

        These same folks obstructed everything Obama has tried to do from day one of his administration – and have loudly bragged that their one goal in life is to make Obama a one-term president.

        These same folks ran in midterm election on the promise (yet again) of creating jobs – and what are they doing? These same folks took us to the brink of default because they do not want the rich to pay any taxes.

        So, although you’re right, neither party has created jobs – I do think the Republicans have a greater share of that blame.

      • I agree! Voters were sold a bill of goods based on promises not delivered.

        We must put Americans to work in order to reduce costs and increase revenue. Spending government money on wages makes a bunch more sense than spending it on unemployment benefits. But when you bring up spending government money on the people instead of the corporations the GOP begins screaming, “Hell, NO!”

      • Freebird1971

        Weren’t those tax cuts extended?

      • They sure were. The Republican Party held extension of unemployment benefits hostage until they were. If they hadn’t been extended our poor and most vulnerable would have been thrown under the bus. That’s the way the GOP works — they make ransom demands just like criminals / terrorists.

  3. I was reading about Brownback returning the federal money to set up health exchanges. Do I remember correctly that the only way any state can opt out of the federal law is to do something equally good or better for their state? I know there is at least one state that is going to offer single-payer coverage for all, improving on the federal law thus not having to follow it. What is the plan for Kansas? Does Brownback just intend to ignore a federal law? What are the consequences for that?

    • indypendent

      The consequences for that will be his lemmings will reward him with another term as governor – or maybe Sammy thinks he will be president one day?

      These Tea Party Republicans do not care about consequences – as evidenced by their desire to take the country into default.

      There is an Opinion LIne comment that actually professes that the Tea Party had a debt plan that would let the country keep its AAA rating.

      After I stopped laughing, I went online and posted about the TP’s plan to let us default and then asked ‘how does a deadbeat keep their AAA credit rating?”

      Do these TP’ers even know how economics work? Or have been sucking at the government’s teat for so long they forgot where that money really comes from?

      • Look at the facts above in the bar graph. No, the GOP is not fiscally conservative, and they don’t know squat about economics. They still think cutting taxes creates jobs and increases revenue. What they seem best at, and they’ve perfected it, is ignoring facts and spinning their own reality. Bush cut taxes twice in his first term and our country lost jobs consistently during his two terms. We know giving the top earners lower taxes hasn’t caused them to create jobs. We have over 10 years of the lowest taxes since the 50s to prove the GOP is wrong. Studying the bar graph above tells anyone capable of thinking why our country is where it is. There’s no doubt about why we’re in trouble, the only questions left unanswered is will it be turned around, and how. Tax cuts are not the solution!

      • indypendent

        If Republicans really wanted solutions, they would have not applauded while GWB ran up our debt into trillions.

        The plain fact is – Republicans love the tax cuts because it rewards the haves and the have mores – as GWB so eloquently stated it.

        There is no shaming these folks – they do not care. They’ve got God on their side – didn’t you get that particular memo?

  4. CNN poll shows 2012 GOP primary muddle

    The CNN headline reads, “Perry near top of pack in GOP nomination battle,” but the more striking thing in the network’s poll is just how unsettled the Republican primary field continues to be:

    According to a CNN/ORC International poll, 15 percent of Republicans and independents who lean towards the GOP pick Perry as their first choice for their party’s nomination, just two points behind former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who’s making his second bid for the White House. Romney’s two point margin over Perry is within the survey’s sampling error …

    The survey indicates that former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, and Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, who is making his third bid for the White House, are at 12 percent apiece.

    So that’s five current or potential candidates within five points of each other, and no one even cracking 20 percent.

    • It’s so much fun watching them all vie for attention and votes! I love the rumor that Perry will announce his candidacy on the same weekend all the others have worked so hard in Iowa — I wonder who will grab the attention. I like to see them beat up on one another. Has Romney used his, “I loved the president’s health-care plan in my state, but your state doesn’t deserve it” line recently?

      The biggest question remains whether they will nominate someone who satisfied their ‘base,’ or someone who may be electable. Those are two totally different people.

    • indypendent

      Reminds me of a Baptist church election of gossipy, mean-spirited, self-righteous and pious people who are certain that God wants only them to be the leader…

      The truth be known – God is no where near that type of church

      • I’m going to watch them and listen to them this weekend. What I want to hear is a suggested solution. All I’ve heard to this point is Obama bashing. Well except for Paul who is a different kind of nutjob than the others, but at least voices ideas.

  5. G-STIR

    I read somewhere that Perry’s college grades were worse that the Shrub. I’m not saying he is dumber than Bush; that’s like saying you have something colder than absolut zero! Still, it’s scary stuff.

    i wonder if they”ve added something to the water in Texas? Aftrer I left, of course.

    • Perry’s college transcript is online (there’s a link here on this blog from a few days ago). He averaged a D at Texas A&M. Made two A’s during college in courses that were easier than gym — he earned a C in gym, and a D in the principles of economics.

    • indypendent

      It must be a problem in more places than in Texas, because a former V.P. candidate currently making millions and flirting with running for president took 5 years and changing schools several times to get a journalism degree.

    • The “Dumbing down of America” is a GOP goal — it’s how you grow the Tea Party.

      • indypendent

        that’s what happens when fake Christians start to home school because they want to only teach what they ‘make up’.

        How many examples of wrong historical facts have we heard from the Tea Party?

        Paul Revere was ringing those bells while warning the British that the British were coming.

        the Statue of Liberty is a symbol from France to warn us to not go down the same socialism road they went down.

        The shot heard roung the world that started the American Revolution was in a city named Concord – but this GOP presidential candidate Tea Party darling had the wrong state!

        This Tea party darling also boasted that the Founding Fathers worked tirelessly to abolish slavery.

        But the sad part is – these examples I’ve given above are from people who were not home schooled by their mommy – but yet these are the so-called leaders of the Tea Party mad hatters.

        And most of those home schools started under the Evangelical Christian churches umbrella – so, of course, we are seeing the consequences of all that ‘we are morally superior to everyone else because we are God’s favorite’ line of B.S.

  6. indypendent

    Isn’t this what Mean Girls do? We all remember those mean girls in junior high that would always crash their perceived enemy’s party – don’t we?

    I swear, the entire GOP circus clown corral is full of Mean Girls and about as much intelligence as it takes to be nothing more than jealous, mean spirited and hate filled.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/10/sarah-palin-continues-fli_n_923775.html

  7. “The USA should invade the USA and win the hearts and minds of the population by building roads, bridges and putting locals to work.” — Paul Myers

    • indypendent

      Why, we could never do that – it would ruin the master plan to turn America into a slave labor country.

      And the entire time these fake patriots wear their 3-corner hats, powder wigs and ride their horse because – they just look so darn cute, don’t they?

  8. indypendent

    This is what the Tea Party Republicans want us to return to…..unfunded tax cuts, unfunded wars, but they don’t want Medicare anymore – that is their ‘sacrifice’ these folks profess to be making.

    yeah, thanks, Medicare keeps alot of health care providers going – I wonder what these employees will do when they lose their jobs?

    Good going Repukes…

    http://www.salon.com/news/politics/george_w_bush/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/08/03/gene_lyons_bush

  9. indypendent

    I am convinced more with each passing day – the end times the Christians keep yapping about will be brought on by these same fake Christians mixing their narrow version of religion into politics.

  10. indypendent

    Isn’t it nice to know that Rupert is still making his billions? But you know, gossip gets halfway around the world before the truth gets its shoes on – and that game of gossip pays very handsomely.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/08/10/news-corp-announces-profi_n_923736.html

  11. indypendent

    I heard something today that made me stop and think….

    Carnivals used to have their freak side shows but with the past decades of reality television, 24/7 news, political partisan hacking and religious intolerance – the carnival freak shows are no longer needed for entertainment.

  12. indypendent

    Mitch McConnell – the flip flopper……or just plain manipulator to say whatever it takes to get elected?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/11/mitch-mcconnell-tax-the-rich-medicare-cuts_n_924395.html

    • Obviously whatever it takes to get reelected.

      McConnell stated clearly what the top priority of the GOP should be back in 2010. I think that’s because actually governing is too difficult for him and his party. They will destroy America if that’s what it takes to achieve their top priority.

  13. indypendent

    This says it all – Fox News folks who profess to be so morally superior are now stooping to calling kids in a progressive video – dorks and bastards?

    As for that question as to who would use kids in a political ad could also be directed to those who train kids to be warriors for the desired upcoming holywar at those Jesus Camps. Or maybe those kids attending those Tea Party camps where kids learn how to starve the government so we can force the country into default and become a deadbeat?

    These Fox News people are really something else. Whenever you think they have hit the bottom in the sewer, they find another level of pure shit.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/11/fox-news-red-eye-panel-ki_n_924446.html

  14. indypendent

    Is it official when your spokesman tells the media you’re running for president?

    Just why are these GOP Evangelicals, not on the current presidential campain, so arrogant that they have to crash the other GOPPER’s Iowa Party?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/11/rick-perry-for-president-_n_924811.html

    • indypendent

      I wonder if Wicked is doing the happy dance????

      just kidding….

      • Ah
        If Perry wins, will we get to call him President Hair?

        Will have to call my TX friend tonight. I’m sure she’s even giddier over this than I am. 😉 And her sister even more!

      • indypendent

        Your TX friend is probably between a rock and a hard place – if Perry wins, then Texas will be rid of him but then he goes national…..Ughhhh..

    • I think he had to have the news ‘leaked’ now in order to deflect as much attention as possible away from the debate tonight. He needs his share of the limelight!

      I like it a lot! That means he gets to be a target of all the other candidates who have already been working their butts off and go head to head tonight. All the while he tries to steal the attention without participating. A real low-down move in my opinion.

      But the announcement by his ‘spokesperson’ will mean he is in tonight’s debate — just probably not in any positive way. I plan to tune in Fox News at 8 p.m. and listen to them.

      Pass the popcorn! 😉

  15. indypendent

    Here is something Rachel has brought up – could it be possible? IIRC – Rachel was the one that delved into the C-Street Family Christian cozy little Washington set up.

    All I can say is – Rick Perry is nothing more than a plastic Ronald Reagan allowing the Far-Right Evangelicals to be even more powerful.

    If Perry really is with this new Christian Movement – perhaps this is why God has disconnected the direct line from all these nutjobs and Texas is baking into a worser drought by the day.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/11/rachel-maddow-rick-perry-_n_924262.html

  16. indypendent

    This is deja vu – the buzz surrounding Rick Perry jumping into the GOP presidential race seems eerily similiar to when John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his V.P. choice.

    There’s alot of high-fiving now but let’s see what this guy does in the next few months.

    Katie Couric – where are you? LMAO

  17. indypendent

    Now here is some good news…. Elizabeth Warren sounds like someone this country needs…..good common sense…

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/11/elizabeth-warren-senate-massachusetts_n_924881.html