Monday, 7/25/11, Public Square

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38 responses to “Monday, 7/25/11, Public Square

  1. Fox News created the tea baggers and continues to play them.

  2. Everyone has it figured out except those “right-wing nutters in the American Congress.” They’ve gotten their marching orders from those who bought into the Fox News Creed. Has Fox even once informed their viewers the debt ceiling does not sanction the spending of one more dime than the Congress has not already agreed to. (It’s a silly law and a nuisance — since it does nothing but affirm actions already taken.)

    Let me get this straight. The people who have been preaching the most about the dangers of American decline are right now helping to hasten American decline.

    Because if America defaults on its debt, not only will we find ourselves in a far deeper fiscal hole, but the full faith and credit of the United States will be compromised. In our globalized era, that means America will be considered an unpredictable partner and a second-class power.

    Worst of all, this will be a self-inflicted wound. It is a direct result of the hyper-partisanship that has been hijacking America’s political debates. Now it is compromising our ability to govern ourselves effectively.

    The markets are viewing Washington’s debt dysfunction as badly as Standard & Poor’s and Moody’s, which have raised the possibility of downgrading their ratings of U.S. bonds.
    The British government’s business secretary, Vince Cable, summed up the situation as he saw it on the BBC this weekend: “The irony of the situation at the moment, with markets opening tomorrow morning, is that the biggest threat to the world financial system comes from a few right-wing nutters in the American Congress.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/07/25/avlon.debt.showdown/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    • Fox News has reported that between 80 and 120 Republican members of the House will vote against any bill to increase the debt ceiling, no matter what else is in it. You can be sure that Fox News knows what Republicans in Washington are thinking – because Fox News tells them what to think.

  3. indypendent

    Fox News loyalists are an odd bunch. They profess to be hate all Muslims but yet have no problem with Fox News King Rupert to be business partners with a Muslim prince.

    Fox News loyalists also profess to be such morally superior people but yet seem to have no problem with their Fox News King Rupert and the rest of his media moguls to do whatever it takes to push their gossip rags – such as phone hacking a murder victim in the UK.

    But that’s okay, we should not worry. After all, when America goes down the tubes – these Fox News loyalists will be ready to pitch in and rebuild won’t they?

    But I’ve got a question – how are they going to rebuild the country without their usual government subsidies?

    Talk about the classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

  4. indypendent

    When I hear that gold is rising on the market – I have to wonder if this is not really what these Tea Party/Fox News Repubklicans want?

    Without those gold sellers on Fox News Network – what sponsors would these people have?

    • I read an article earlier that it’s because of the possibility of the U.S. default. Can’t find it right now, but if I do I’ll post the link here.

      • indypendent

        That was my point….perhaps the reason Boehner and Gang are doing all their political posturing is to make gold raise higher – thus, more profits for their beloved gold sellers who sponsor the 24/7 Fox News.

  5. And yet the conservatives scream that it’s all Obama’s fault.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/07/the-chart-that-should-accompany-all-discussions-of-the-debt-ceiling/242484/

    Twitter comes in handy. Instead of from HuffPost, this was retweeted by actor Seth Green from Alyssa Milano. Which reminds me that I saw a commercial last night from AARP about cutting senior benefits (SS, Medicare, etc.). When are the yes-men (and women) going to wake up and see they’re being screwed by the uber-rich and their lackeys?

  6. indypendent

    I heard an interesting assessment by an analyst on the market today. The market is reacting negatively to all this nonsense political posturing about the debt ceiling deal.

    But the bond market is on the rise – it seems as if people really thought the US was going to default, they would not being buying up the US Treasury bonds.

    Again – I have to ask if all this foot dragging by Boehner and Gang is nothing more than to raise the price of gold so their few ‘right’ pals can make sucker more people into buying it on the Fox News channel?>

  7. I’m off to bury my head in the sand. It’s just easier that way.

    • indypendent

      I understand how you feel and I suspect there are alot of folks that feel the same way.

      But these Tea Party Republicans have stated they will never vote to raise the debt ceiling – so the problem is with the mad hatters and their spineless leader Boehner who cannot seem to stand up to these folks and tell them – the debt ceiling is needed to pay for things we have already spent.

      There are no do-overs. This is the adult table and if these mad hatters coninue to disrupt the adult table, then perhaps it is time to send them to the kids table.

      damn that Reagan – he was the one that invited the Religioius Right into the GOP and this is what we have to show for it.

      I am worried about that Norway crazy right-winger being the launching pad for some crazy right-winger here in the US to show how much ‘more’ they love their God that must enjoy seeing innocent people killed – especially kids.

  8. badbiker

    One of my hobbies is Debunking the Myth of Reagan. It doesn’t rank up there with painting rocks, but it is funny to watch the Tea Cons get all worked up when you criticize their hero.

    (Painting rocks is WWWAAAAAYYYYY cool, but there is a reason I do photography – I can’t paint worth a durn.)

    Anyway, I got into a major back and forth with some Reagan Lovers yesterday, and pretty much kicked their idol to the curb. Here is one of my posts regarding the “fiscally conservative” Reagan and the wild spending socialist Obama:
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    Let’s look at the Reagan spending factually. The economy is now 4.5 times as large as it was in 1981. The GDP was $3,228 billion in 1981. The GDP in 2010 was $14,508 billion.

    Reagan spent $746 billion in 1981. 4.5 times that is $3,357 billion. 

    Obama’s 2010 budget was $3,991 billion.

    To that figure, subtract $400 billion in interest payments and $160 billion to fund the wars for a comparable total of $3,431 billion.

    In real terms, the ‘fiscal conservative’ only spent $74 billion less than the wildly spending liberal.

    Given all that, keep in mind that Obama inherited the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression and Reagan was only dealing with a mild recession.

    The facts are that President Obama is not nearly the overspending monster that Cons would like to make him out to be.

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    • indypendent

      Good one….

      The CONS fail to acknowledge that if their little cowboy president had not crashed the economy in 2008, Obama would have not had to spend that much money.

      The only player in town was the government to rebuild the economy that CONS destroyed.

      But you and I will NEVER hear one word of acknowledgment about GWB being a big spender.

      And for good measure – I like to throw in the fact that Reagan raised taxes……

      That tidbit of knowlege makes that little vein on the top of the CON’s forehead to balloon. when they are really mad – it starts to throb and that’s your queue to get the hell out of the way before they explode.

  9. badbiker

    Now, (Tea Con Blogger), you have complained about ‘long words’ and you have complained about links and you have complained that I haven’t used my own words. I still can’t figure out what your issue is, since you seem to be unable to express your question clearly, but here it is in my own words:

    Ronald Reagan was considered by Cons to be a great president, but the facts do not support their claim. Reagan tripled the National Debt, after promising a balanced budget during the campaign. Reagan never even proposed a balanced budget. 

    Reagan promised to reduce taxes and he did for the most part, but he also raised taxes eleven times.

    Reagan had needy people removed from disability rolls and Medicaid who’s only offense was mental illness.

    While increasing the military budget unnecessarily, since the Soviet Union was already in it’s death throes, Reagan also actively sought to reduce assistance to the least of Americans, the poor, children, the elderly and the mentally ill.

    Reagan considered the environmental movement to be nothing more than a nuisance and actively worked against regulations to protect the environment. 

    Reagan sought to exploit the fears of white men and the thought that blacks and other minorities would soon be taking over their positions. This crass and unseemly approach through statements about “welfare queens”, etc further divided a nation for Reagan’s own political ends.

    In laying a wreath at Bitburg, Reagan offended many that worked tirelessly against everything that Nazism stood for.

    And Reagan’s coup de grâce was the Iran – Contra Affair, an action by the Reagan administration that insulted everything that America is supposed to stand for.

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    • indypendent

      You left one out – Reagan’s total disregard for the Aids epidemic when it it.

      Reagan started the CONs on their route of pure hatred towards homosexuals (as if there was not enough hate prior to this).

      Rather than to confront the epidemic like a mature adult, Reagan once again stoked the fears of all those white Christians.

      As a side note – Reagan was the leader of a labor union (SAG) and he even negotiated for health care benefits.

      Imagine that…….Reagan was a treasure, wasn’t he? Too bad that treasure was not buried never to have been dug up.

      P.S. You’ve got love an old senile guy that tried to get ketchup classified as a vegetable for school lunches.

      Yeah, that Reagan, he was a keeper!!!! LMAO

  10. Bush the lesser finished the job Reagan began.


    How the Deficit Got This Big

    • You’ll have to go to the link “How the Deficit Got This Big” (highlighted) to see the full chart that proves President Obama has not spent as the Republicans claim!

    • indypendent

      And the current Tea Party Republicans still worship both of these buffoons.

      • The tea partiers are purely stupid. What they say bears no resemblance to reality. They name themselves ‘taxed enough already’ at a time taxes are the lowest of their lifetimes. They scream about making government smaller while holding up their misspelled signs warning to leave their Medicare alone… Of course they also go wild about the Constitution and Founding Fathers intent and have no clue what it says.

        And they do everything in the name of their gawd, especially all the hate they spew.

      • indypendent

        Don’t forget these Tea Party mad hatters also have a buttload of guns and ammo. Some of their beloved leaders have even advocated using the 2nd Amendment to ‘take back their country’.

        I have thought that this 2nd Amendment revolution was just crazy talk but lately I have been worried that these birthers, religious rightees, Fox News loyalists, Muslim hating, Minority hating, women hating and all around nutcases are capable of anything.,

        If you have any doubt, look at the peaceful country of Norway in the past few days – that is what happens when a Far-Right Winger Christian White Male can do with enough guns and ammo and all the hate he could muster. And if this nutjob is to be believed, he has colleagues in his Gang of Templar Knights ready for the biggest Holy War of all time.

        Now, where have we heard about the need for Holy War before?

        Damn Reagan – he brought these nutjobs into the GOP – now we have to deal with the monster Dr. Reaganstein created.

      • Down through the ages religion has been used to excuse violence.

        Jesus wept. John 11:35

  11. President Barack Obama will deliver a statement to the nation at 9 p.m. EDT Monday to discuss the political stalemate over cutting the country’s deficit and raising the debt ceiling, the White House said Monday.

    I’m glad! He needs to take it to Americans!

    • indypendent

      I think Obama should take Bill Clinton’s advice and invoke the 14th Amendment and tell Boehner and GOP Gang to go ahead with impeachment proceedings.

      This is when Obama will get the majority of sane, reasonable Americans on his side.

      I still remember when Newt thought he was the cocky little rooster in the barnyard and was crowing way too soon when he tried to take down Bill Clinton.

      As I remember, that was when Newt got discovered down the street from the White Hosue with his mistress. I can’t remember if that mistress is the current wife or was it the wife #2? I cannot keep up with those family values Republicans’ sex lives.

  12. indypendent

    Boehner’s latest plan is rejected by the Tea Party. Good – let Johnny deal with the monster Reagan unleashed onto the GOP.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/25/tea-party-scores-another-victory-with-boehner-debt-proposal_n_908771.html

  13. War Is a Racket
    by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC

    War is a racket. It always has been

    It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

    A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/smedleywarisracket.shtml

  14. How to Turn Republicans and Democrats Into Americans
    An insider’s six-step plan to fix Congress

    Angry and frustrated, American voters went to the polls in November 2010 to “take back” their country. Just as they had done in 2008. And 2006. And repeatedly for decades, whether it was Republicans or Democrats from whom they were taking the country back. No matter who was put in charge, things didn’t get better. They won’t this time, either; spending levels may go down, taxes may go up, budgets will change, but American government will go on the way it has, not as a collective enterprise but as a battle between warring tribes.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/07/how-to-turn-republicans-and-democrats-into-americans/8521/

    • Yeah, goes right along with what I posted below. What we have now is nothing close to what the Founding Fathers had hoped for, even with adjustment for technology and the opening of minds (women’s right to vote, racism, etc.). Both sides of the political aisle are to blame. And we, the people, have allowed it to happen. 😦

  15. Disdain for Compromise Hinders Debt Talks

    It all boils down to the Tea Partyers. Somewhere in their small-brained heads they’ve decided that compromise is bad and is what has destroyed this country. They try to portray themselves as if they are like the original tea party-goers who dumped tea in the harbor to protest taxation. And yet the Constitution that our Founding Fathers put together screams compromise. In fact, it took compromise to agree on what that piece of paper would have on it, right down to certain words and phrases.

    They aren’t interested in the good of the country. They’re interested only in their own little desires. What I can’t understand is why anyone is listening to a bunch of selfish 2-year-olds. I’m all for sitting back and watching those selfish desires come back and bite them in the butt, because it will happen. When they end up paying more taxes, when they lose the money they’ve put into social security, when they’re denied healthcare they’ve paid into over a lifetime, they might realize for a split second that it’s what they asked for.

    Haven’t they heard? Be careful what you ask for because you just might get it.

    • indypendent

      Can’t we all just chip in and give them all a one-way ticket to the Middle East desert of their choice?

      They just need to pick one – then they can have their Holy War and we’ll be rid of the troublemakers.

  16. indypendent

    Glenn Beck’s assessment of the Norway mass killing is very telling. When Beck asks what type of kids camp is based on politics – I’ll be posting 2 more sites of which I wonder if Beck even knows about –

    1) Jesus Camp – training for the holy war – this is political mixed with religion (always a bad combination)
    2) Tea Party Camp – training to take back our country – sounds political to me

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/25/glenn-beck-norway-hitler-youth-bin-laden_n_908753.html

  17. For a change of pace…