Thursday, 6/30/11, Public Square

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  1. Freebird1971

    That is a point to ponder

  2. The Founding Fathers, Unzipped
    The Constitution’s framers were flawed like today’s politicians, so it’s high time we stop embalming them in infallibility.

    He may have written the Declaration of Independence, but were he around today Thomas Jefferson wouldn’t have a prayer of winning the Republican nomination, much less the presidency. It wouldn’t be his liaison with the teenage daughter of one of his slaves nor the love children she bore him that would be the stumbling block. Nor would it be Jefferson’s suspicious possession of an English translation of the Quran that might doom him to fail the Newt Gingrich loyalty test. No, it would be the Jesus problem that would do him in. For Thomas Jefferson denied that Jesus was the son of God. Worse, he refused to believe that Jesus ever made any claim that he was. While he was at it, Jefferson also rejected as self-evidently absurd the Trinity, the Virgin Birth, and the Resurrection.

    Jefferson was not, as his enemies in the election of 1800 claimed, an atheist. He believed in the Creator whom he invoked in the Declaration of Independence and whom he thought had brought the natural universe into being. By his own lights he thought himself a true Christian, an admirer of the moral teachings of the Nazarene. It had been, he argued, generations of the clergy who had perverted the simple humanity of Jesus the reformer, turned him into a messiah, and invented the myth that he had died to redeem mankind’s sins.

    http://www.newsweek.com/2011/06/26/the-founding-fathers-were-flawed.html

    • This will be rejected by those who don’t know how to read and think as “revisionist” in nature, to support the “Godless liberal” platform. Although it’s true, contemporaneously documented, it will still be labeled as revisionist history. I need to read the linked piece more closely, but I thought it was Franklin who edited the draft of the Declaration of Independence to insert the word Creator, Jefferson having used another term which, IIRC, was not referencing any divinity.

      • The author of the linked article has one thing very correct; the totality of the ignorance of the American citizenry of the history of the Republic. This is a failure of the populace at large, enforced upon our educational system by those rising to power on the backs of the truly ignorant, who recognize that keeping their constituents, present and future, ignorant is the best way to retain their power and the perquisites which accompany it.

        I’ve read The Federalist Papers and marveled as I was so doing that the Constitution was ever ratified. While these are silent as to the Bill of Rights (duh), the debate over the proposed national government, its powers and obligations under the Constitution, should be required reading for every high school student. Ah, I’m tilting at windmills again (although the Cubs won last night, so hope springs eternal), because in order for students to be able to read and understand the debate, they must be able to critically read and think, two very necessary skills to the future of this country, but which are anathema to those in control.

  3. http://www.princeton.edu/~tjpapers/declaration/declaration.html

    Jefferson’s “rough draught” of the Declaration. Interesting reading.

  4. indypendent

    Oh, oh…call out the troops on Obama stating his daughter’s age as being 13 when she is actually 12. But never mind the fact that Mahlia’s birthday is in a few days.

    Wow – surely this worse than Sarah Palin’s infamous Paul Revere comments or Bachmann’s Founding Fathers abolishing slavery and numerous other comments that have been made on the right side.

    But let’s be sure and nail Obama to the wall for daring to say his daughter is 13 when the truth is – she is 12yrs and 360 days and counting …

    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43585752/ns/today-today_people/t/oops-obama-messes-his-daughters-age/?gt1=43001

    • indypendent

      I posted this comment as just a way to show how the media can get caught up in such nonsense.

      Personally, when I read this I had to laugh. How many parents have done this with their own children? And how many parents have done this – when one of their kids is misbehaving – the parent goes through the entire group of kids’ names until they hit the particular kid in question?

      I remember my parents doing the same thing – and I found myself doing the same thing. These are human emotions.

      Now if Obama had stated Mahlia was busy solving the debt crisis and then turning her attention to achieving world peace, then maybe Obama’s critics would have something to complain about.

    • These kind of petty criticisms show the person who makes them to be ridiculous. When you read or hear these petty statements it tells you clearly they have to search high and low to find something to complain about. Have you noticed how cranky the GOP sounds lately? They complain about most everything, and make it clear there is little in their world to be happy about.

      • indypendent

        I’ve always said the Republicans are mad because the best family values candidate (that actually lives those family values) is Barack Obama.

        Maybe this is one reason the Republicans are cranky? Everytime there is a video of Barack, Michelle and their two daughters – it is a picture perfect postcard of those family values the Republicans claim to possess but rarely do we actually see any of that displayed?

        Just a thought..

  5. badbiker

    “Hot town! Summer in the city!”

  6. badbiker

    Some do like it hot.

    (I know this lady that left Boston where it is seventy-nine degrees today just to come back to Wichita where it’s one hundred and oh damn! today.)

  7. badbiker

    And it SOUNDS so nice – ’til you go outside.

  8. WRAPUP 5-Democrats weigh short-term US debt limit increase

    * Short-term deal could divide Republicans

    * Would require another painful vote before 2012 election

    * Democrats attack tax breaks for yachts, race horses (Adds details, quotes, Wall Street reaction)

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/30/usa-debt-idUSN1E75T0GK20110630

  9. indypendent

    Stephen Colbert won the right to have his Super Pac. Hang on to your hats, it’s going to be a bumpy ride and be sure to bring the popcorn!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/30/stephen-colbert-super-pac_n_887851.html#comments

    • indypendent

      I rememer the time Stephen Colbert testified before Congress. I also remember that several Conservative Republicans obviously were born without a sense of humor.

      Or maybe they just don’t know the reason for Colbert’s political schtick?

    • I hear them all the time criticizing people who ‘get their news from a comedy channel.’ It’s usually those who get their ‘news’ from Fox who are most critical. Irony isn’t dead. 😉

      • indypendent

        But what is the most funny is when those people who get their news from a comedy channel go the polls and beat those who think they are gettign the fair and balanced news.

        I still think John McCain lost more support (and drew more criticism) from the way he dissed David Letterman when he pretended to have to run down to Washington DC to fix the unfolding economic crisis. Remember?

        But the cherry on top of that hypocrisy sundae was when McCain walked into the meeting in Washington DC and who did he see already sitting there – Barack Obama.

        Ouch, what a smackdown!!!