Tuesday, 6/21/11, Public Square


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30 responses to “Tuesday, 6/21/11, Public Square

  1. Today is the longest day of the year — make it count! 🙂 Your reward will be the shortest night of the year.

    Have we already had eight days with triple digit highs? And NOW along comes summer…

  2. Jon Huntsman Jr. has thrown his hat into the crowded GOP ring of contenders. He is a moderate, probably exactly what the GOP needs to face off against President Obama. I don’t think the GOP ‘base’ is smart enough to realize that. I still hear them ranting and raving about needing to find a true conservative candidate. [eye roll]

    He’s the namesake of a billionaire businessman and a member of one of the most prominent families within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, he’s also a high school dropout who spent the latter part of his teen years playing with local jazz and rock bands.

    Those years ended when he briefly enrolled at the University of Utah through a program that granted him admission without a high school diploma. He then went on a Mormon mission to Taiwan, where he learned to speak Mandarin.

    He later attended the University of Pennsylvania and graduated with a degree in political science, then entered public service and eventually worked for Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

    In 1993, after leaving his post as ambassador to Singapore, Huntsman became president of the Huntsman Cancer Foundation and eventually CEO of Huntsman Family Holdings, the umbrella company for the multibillion-dollar corporation founded by his father.

    Huntsman first ran for Utah governor in 2004, winning with 57 percent of the vote. He served one full term as Governor of Utah, and was re-elected with 75 percent of the vote in 2008. Huntsman resigned from the governor’s mansion less than a year later when Obama tapped him to serve as his ambassador to China. He gave up the diplomatic post in Beijing after less than two years to make his run for president.

    So there we have the GOP’s flavor of the week. Who is next? Should be the guy from Texas. I’m hearing mumblings that he (Perry) is a real, true conservative. 😉

    • Huntsman Promises Civility in Quest for Presidency

      “I respect the president,” he said, speaking under a hazy sky at Liberty State Park here. “He and I have a difference of opinion on how to help the country we both love, but the question each of us wants the voters to answer is who will be the better president, not who’s the better American.”

      If he conducts his candidacy in the manner he states, that will make exactly two people vying for the 2013 – 2017 term of POTUS who are both respectful and respected by me — Mr. Huntsman and President Obama.

    • The GOP is a party of extremists so it’s doubtful a respectful person can win the nomination.

      • Seems the guy who wrote that op-ed piece doesn’t care for Huntsman. Although he began the piece by saying, “If he is the Republican nominee, I will vote for him. But until that moment I will never, ever support him.”

        My conclusion would be he prefers another potential candidate, but will vote for the one with the little “R” beside their name.

      • For all the author’s righteous indignation (which appears to be faux to me), the reason he is against Mr. Huntsman seems to be the fact his campaign organization is made up of McCain people. Given the not-so-secret disdain of these people for the former Governor of Alaska (and, I suspect, Guano Crazy, and others of similar ilk), the commentator is incensed – incensed, I tell you – at the thought those damned RINOs would control selection of the GOP nominee in yet another election. Sic transit, gloria mundi is proving true for the extremists (I’d classify them as terrorists, but they haven’t yet seemingly employed military-type action to achieve their political goals) whose goal it is to take the country over, but see the opportunity diminishing as time marches on.

  3. As of today (Tues., 6/21/11) here’s the way the GOP race stacks up —

    Declared their candidacy:

    1. Bachmann

    2. Cain

    3. Gingrich

    4. Huntsman, Jr.

    5. Johnson

    6. Paul

    7. Pawlenty

    8. Romney

    9. Santorum

    We still hear are potentials:

    1. Bolton

    2. Giuliani

    3. Moore

    4. Palin

    5. Pataki

    6. Perry

    7. Roemer

    Here’s an interactive graphic that lets you click to learn more about each of them.

    • WSClark

      There is no damned way I could ever vote for Michael Bolton for President. After he ripped off Levi Stubbs and the Four Tops with a pitiful cover of ‘Reach Out’ the man is dead to me.

  4. “The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.” Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr.

    The above quote brought to mind by considering the list in fnord’s fifth post, supra.

  5. The Affordable Care Act does not require businesses to provide health benefits to their workers, but larger employers face penalties starting in 2014 if they don’t make affordable coverage available. This simple flowchart illustrates how those employer responsibilities work.

  6. wicked

    Having trouble posting as a reply to Huntsman, so I’m doing it here.

    He also promises jobs. I haven’t heard how he plans to fulfill that, but, hey, it sounds good.

    On to the Texas guy… Yeah, he’s a real, true [something]. No denying it.

  7. indypendent

    Interesting reading about Texas Gov Rick Perry. Take special note of the last paragraph when talking about his upcoming prayer gatherin in August. Does the name John Hagee ring any bells?


  8. indypendent

    I’ve heard several Repubklcan strategists boast about Rick Perry’s ability to balance the budget. But guess how he did it – that federal stimulus money from that ‘evil government’ that he ranted and screamed against.

    And that little matter of his threat to secede from the USA is not called a ‘hint’. No, I heard him on videotape and it was a threat. Too bad he did not follow through with that idea.

    I read somewhere on another blog that if Rick Perry wins the White House – the other 49 states should secede and then Rick Perry will be left with the $14 trillion (IIRC) debt. Let’s see what this little cowboy would do with that.

    I know, I know, we cannot really secede but isn’t is nice dream?


    • indypendent

      corr: is now called ‘hint’.

    • wicked

      Don’t let the Republican strategists lead you astray. Between Dubya and Gov. Hair, Texas has become a real hellhole…unless you’re one of their friends aka The Haves and the Have Mores. 15 1/2 years of these two hooligans and their shenanigans have created a mess that even Ann Richards couldn’t fix.

      • indypendent

        I know – I just cannot believe why these Republican strategists continue to say things that can easily be proven wrong. But , hey, these folks always have a home on Fox News for their believers.

        And on the other channels, these Republican strategists provide a good laugh to those who know the truth.

  9. indypendent

    I suspect John Huntsman is a way to knock Romney out of the race but the people would vote for Romney would probably vote for Huntsman, so I don’t see the logic in that. Although Huntsman does not have the albatross of Romneycare around his neck – so maybe that’s it?

    From what I know about Huntsman (which is not much at this point in time), he seems like a reasonable, rational and someone who could compromise when it come to governing.

    Based on those three things I just mentioned, the Evangelical Christian Conservzatives will have nothing to do with him because of these things:

    1) He is Mormon
    2) He is for civil unions
    3) He worked for Obama (the sworn enemy)
    4) He is not batshit crazy

  10. indypendent

    Did everyone catch Keith Olbermann’s debut on Current TV last night?

    I was blogging on HuffingtonPost after the show and the onslaught of Conservatives was so apparent – it was actually kinda funny.

    These people all used the same talking points so it was quite apparent that the entire thing was orchestrated to filll the blogs.

    My question is this – if Keith is as unimportant as these Conservatives say, then why the orchestrated onslaught of bloggers?

    Keith is now free to say what he really feels and God I hope he holds nothing back.

  11. indypendent

    Conservatives are enraged – again. Wow, this is just a movie, folks. This movie is not about reality. Think about it – the stars are talking cars. Just get a grip – Enough said.


    • Maybe because they’re so accustomed to the ‘reality’ Fox News feeds them they can’t identify or separate real life and movies?

  12. Fact checking Michelle Bachmann. She says TARP cost 700 billion dollars. It actually has cost tax payers 19 billion. She says that the government makes up for 51% of spending, but the number is 20.6% which is low compared to other periods. The report goes on and it shows one thing very clearly: Michelle Bachmann doesn’t know what she’s talking about or chooses to make up her own facts.


  13. wicked

    Electable and rational Republicans?

    I’m going to have to think on that one. 😉

  14. I think we need to look closely at this contender! He is, so far, sounding very electable! Question remains: Is he able to pass the litmus tests to be nominated?

    It seems that a presidential candidate who launched his campaign without criticizing President Barack Obama and aims to run a let’s-get-serious campaign would be more at home on the “No Labels” line than running under the Republican banner.

    But Jon Huntsman, who formally began his bid Tuesday testifying to the virtues of civility, is betting that GOP voters will ultimately want to defeat Obama more than just club him upside the head.

    It’s the central assumption of Huntsman’s candidacy: electability will trump purity.

    No, Huntsman is not going to drop the rhetorical daisy-cutters on the president in a way that will make the pulses of party activists quicken. And, no, he’s not a down-the-line conservative on every issue.

    “What’s going to unite Republican voters in South Carolina is: Who do they think can win in November, who can beat Obama,” said Richard Quinn, Huntsman’s Palmetto State strategist. “They’re sophisticated enough to know that you don’t beat Obama by appealing to a very small base of folks who just hate the guy.”


  15. To my “blogging buddies” here on PPP: certain post-stroke events have led me to conclude it is in my best interests, as well as for my future health and well-being, to close my practice (hopefully for jst a year). I plan on using the newly-freed time to volunyeer at the rehab hospital (the head nurse has been requesting I do this for two years), help at NEMHS, and mentor a younger lawyer transiyioning from the Publc Defender’s office to a sedate “transactional” practice. I’ll be available to impart wisdom and, where necessary, suggest appropriate counsel. The process has begun, hopefully to be completed NLT 6/30/2011.

    • indypendent

      Good luck to you in all your future endeavors. Don’t forget the PPP blog is here. We are never more than a click away..

      One never knows what is around the corner unless we go and take a good look. May the challenges and rewards in the coming year be a blessing to you.