Thursday, 6/2/11, Public Square

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  1. indypendent

    I don’t think these Republicans get it yet. From what I heard yesterday with all of them clamoring back from the meeting with Obama, they just could not wait until the microphone was turned on so they could call Obama some more names.

    Just let these buffoons keep talking. They are digging their own political graves – and from the looks of some of them, those graves need to be extra large to hold their massive ego.

  2. GOP Can’t Handle The Truth: Taxes Are Lower Under Obama Than Reagan

    Republicans are very fond of saying that the U.S. has “a spending problem, not a revenue problem.” But the truth is that revenue has plunged due to the recession and to continued misguided tax cuts, and revenue needs to be raised to eventually bring the budget into balance. And Reagan knew that taxes were an important part of the budget equation. After all, he “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years.

    • indypendent

      Reagan was also the one that made some Social Security benefits taxable – wasn’t he?

      These Republicans like to use the metaphor of the family budget when talking about the massive federal spending.

      Well, when we are faced with unpaid bills and not enough money – my husband and/or I work extra hours or my husband even once got a part-time job at nights and weekends to bring in extra money.

      That is called – bringing in revenue – so let’s go ahead and use the metaphor of the family budget and make sure that the family understands that EVERYBODY is capable of bringin in revenue – not just those lower 98% of Americans who do not benefit from those Bush tax cuts.

      • badbiker

        Reagan made unemployment benefits taxable. Reagan raised taxes eleven times, and at one point, the top tax rate was lower than the middle tax rates.

        Reagan was/is nothing more than a GOP myth.

        And that’s the nicest thing I can say about him.

      • Freebird1971

        Does that include people who are on the public dole?

      • indypendent

        Yes, freebird, I mean people on the public dole.

        If people can work, then they should be working. But if there are no jobs – then how can the unemployed work?

        I have no problem helping people out when they are down on their luck but I do expect the rest of society to be doing their parts to make sure our society has jobs for those who can work.

        And exactly how does my tax dollars being given to corporations to outsource American jobs bringing any revenue to the table?

        Those corporations taking my tax dollars through subsidies are just as much on the public dole as the welfare deadbeats (as they are commonly referred to by the ‘right’ side).

      • indypendent

        BTW – the argument Republicans used when they passed the Bush tax cuts and then again to renew these tax cuts was that these were needed to go to people who create jobs.

        So if this argument is true – then where are the jobs??

      • Freebird1971

        If people can work, then they should be working. But if there are no jobs – then how can the unemployed work?

        In total agreement.As far as the unemployed working,there is a sign outside of where I work with the words immediate opening,hiring now but I’m presently working 12 hrs a day because there are not enough people applying to fill the jobs. Now I know this just one instance but surely there are other firms in the same situation. For those with no jobs,pick up trash along the highway,cover graffiti,do something for the public good in order to earn your benefits.

      • indypendent

        Are people not coming in about the jobs currently available or is that the people coming are not qualified for the jobs?

        Those are two different things.

      • Freebird1971

        From what I’ve hear a little of both but I do know they are hiring people with no experience

      • indypendent

        My son works 12 hour shifts because his company has found it is advantageous to make 3 men do the work of 5 men previously on the payroll.

        There are also companies like this……he is routinely told ‘if you don’t like it, there is the door.’

        But what man with family is going to walk out the door when there are no jobs?

        I am a supporter of labor and management being partners in their companies. Do I think all labor unions are needed – maybe not. But do I think all CEO’s are worth their inflated pay – definitely not.

        Somewhere there should be some common sense and common ground found to resolve this US and THEM attitude we currently see everywhere.

  3. indypendent

    Here is an interesting site as to true facts about Social Security…..

    http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html

    • indypendent

      Worthy of Noting:

      Reagan did sign into law the taxation on Social Security benefits. It was meant for higher-incomes, but then in 1993 (IIRC) this was changed.

      Also – when Republicans claim that Democrats have raided the Social Security Trust Fund and that’s why it is broke – there was a change in how the budgets are treated for accounting purposes. And also notice when the accounting method was changed and which party was in office.

  4. So the Mittens made his comeback-try-again candidacy official today.

    Is he the man who governed Massachusetts as a pro-abortion rights moderate and delivered a bold statewide plan for universal health care coverage? Or is he the guy who offered himself to republicans for the 2008 nomination as an anti-abortion social conservative who advocated limited government?

    And my biggest question — is there any person who can pass the litmus tests to be nominated by the GOP who is electable?

    • indypendent

      I was listening to news coverage yesterday and I do not remember which show but the gist of the conversation was that Mitt Romney should be running on what he accomplished as Governor because, by all accounts, he was a popular governor.

      But instead of running on his accomplishments – he feels compelled to run to the Far Right corner of the current GOP. And really, in the climate of the Far Right Republican Party – these are the folks who will nominate – not the moderates or those with less of an axe to grind into Obama’s head simply because they hate the man.

      That litmus test has been drawn up by the Far Right and this year these folks are even farther right than in 2008!

      When I hear Romney’s business credentials – I always hear how he saved businesses. From what I’ve been able to gather about the man, he was one of these corporate types that went into a company, laid off a bunch of workers, sent all the jobs overseas and then pocketed a hefty little bonus for all his trouble.

      Is that what the rest of you know about the business expertise of Romney?

      • indypendent

        As a note to Romney – the Far Right Religious Crowd will never accept this guy just based on his faith – he is Mormon.

        In Evangelical circles – Mormon is right next to Catholics – taboo…

      • This from here. Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Of course, it’s void of details as most of what we get to hear is.

        Willard Mitt Romney earned simultaneous law and business degrees at Harvard on his way to a high-flying corporate career that would take a turn to politics.

        He worked for Boston Consulting Group, helping companies fatten their bottom lines. Then he moved to rival Bain & Co., where he led a new spinoff, Bain Capital, which combined management consulting with investments in promising companies.

        He helped start or reinvigorate hundreds of companies, Staples and Domino’s Pizza among them, on his way to amassing a personal fortune.

        Romney cemented his reputation as a turnaround artist when he stepped in to clean up the 2002 Winter Olympics in Utah, reeling with accusations of bribery and resignations from the organizing committee.

        He cut costs, boosted revenues and oversaw a successful event despite the dark shadow over the nation from the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

      • indypendent

        The Tea Party is after Romney and with that – I surmise Romney failed the litmus test..

        But I wonder which Tea Party is this – the original tea party or those folks with the corporate-sponsored, former Congress Critter leaders that drove the Tea Party Express?

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/02/joe-miller-mitt-romney-stop-campaign_n_870326.html

      • indypendent

        Isn’t Romney’s father a former govenor or Congress Critter?

        I suppose that didn’t hurt too much either..

      • indypendent

        Mitt Romney’s father was a former governor of Michigan.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_romney

  5. This makes so much more sense to me! I imagine it will make sense to children who are forming their eating habits too!

    New Symbol For Healthful Eating: Hello Plate, Goodbye Pyramid

  6. indypendent

    Ah, those oil companies subsidies…….

    .I’ve heard Republicans actually claim that oil companies do not get any taxpayer money and other Republicans claim that these oil companies need this taxpayer money because they employ thousands of workers.

    Okay – my question is, if oil companies deserve this taxpayer money to keep people employed – then why did the GOP demonize the the automakers when they companies needed money? The automakers employe thousands of people – don’t they?

    What makes one industry’s taxpayer subsidies more important?

    Is it just partisan politics – or is this something that needs to be on the table, as well, when cutting that budget?

    http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/article/BP/20110602/OPINION02/106020323/Carl-Levin-Pull-plug-4-billion-oil-gas-industry-subsidies?odyssey=mod_sectionstories

  7. indypendent

    NJ Chris Christie (the flavor of the month for Tea Partiers) has decided to reimburse the state for his little helicopter ride he took to watch his kid play baseball.

    I wonder if this thought would have even crossed his mind if there was not such a public outrage going on??

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/02/chris-christie-helicopter_n_870325.html

    • indypendent

      BTW – I wonder who paid for that black car and it’s driver that took Christie the 100 yards to the actual baseball field?

      Do you think the Gov’s car was just passing by and decided to give him a lift?

      Seriously, this is what makes people HATE politicians.

  8. More shootings in Arizona. Do they happen in other states and we don’t hear about them? What’s up with Arizona?

  9. indypendent

    While I am no Romeny fan, I do think it was either planned deliberately (which is classless) or very poor timing on Palin’s part to rain on Romney’s announcement day.

    I’ve heard on the news that Palin’s schedule is kinda up in the air and they go here or there depending on what Sarah tells them to do.

    But I’m sure this is what her Tea Party followers absolutely love for doing – stealing whatever thunder she can from those candidates they deem unworthy.

    And let’s remember – the Tea Party has already declared they are out to stop Romney. They even have a leader for that cause -Joe Miller from Alaska – remember him?

    Hmm, the plot thickens on this Romney thing today……..

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/02/palin-steps-on-romneys-campaign_n_870580.html