Wednesday, 6/1/11, Public Square

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  1. indypendent

    If this was not so true, I could have a good laugh.

    But I am a believer in a strong two-party system and it saddens me to think that the current GOP has come down to a bunch of clowns all running their mouths without a clue.

    Can you even imagine one of these clowns in the White House with the power to start WWIII? That is scary..

  2. Isn’t this the week the Mittens makes his bid official? He’s been running since President Obama kicked off his bid back in 2006, but I heard another official announcement is set. What other “insufferable blowhard du jour” is stepping up to the microphone? Did I read that God told Michele Bachmann to run? Has Rick Perry decided yet whether he will lead Texas in seceding from the union or jump into the race for president of same union? Trump might still be considering whether he won’t run and Palin’s family vacation is in the news. Isn’t there a June 13 debate in New Hampshire? Maybe that’s opening day of the circus?

    • indypendent

      According to several polls, the candidate right behind Mitt Romeny is Herman Cain (he tied with Palin).

      But I have to ask – just how important is the winner of the Iowa caucuses?

      Personally, I would like to ask Herman Cain one question – if he is such a great business man – what happened to the Godfather’s pizza chain?

  3. No matter which “insufferable blowhard du jour” starts spouting off about taxes, remember the facts and don’t fall for their scare tactics!

    Are Taxes in the U.S. High or Low?

    Historically, the term “tax rate” has meant the average or effective tax rate — that is, taxes as a share of income. The broadest measure of the tax rate is total federal revenues divided by the gross domestic product.

    By this measure, federal taxes are at their lowest level in more than 60 years. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that federal taxes would consume just 14.8 percent of G.D.P. this year. The last year in which revenues were lower was 1950, according to the Office of Management and Budget.

    The postwar annual average is about 18.5 percent of G.D.P. Revenues averaged 18.2 percent of G.D.P. during Ronald Reagan’s administration; the lowest percentage during that administration was 17.3 percent of G.D.P. in 1984.

    In short, by the broadest measure of the tax rate, the current level is unusually low and has been for some time. Revenues were 14.9 percent of G.D.P. in both 2009 and 2010.

    Yet if one listens to Republicans, one would think that taxes have never been higher, that an excessive tax burden is the most important constraint holding back economic growth and that a big tax cut is exactly what the economy needs to get growing again.

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/are-taxes-in-the-u-s-high-or-low/

    • The GOP says global competitiveness requires the United States to reduce its corporate tax rate. The United States actually has the lowest corporate tax burden of any of the member nations of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

  4. indypendent

    I don’t want to hear one more word about Obama flying around in our jet on our dime from any Republican after reading this article.

    BTW – using the helicopter might or might not have been more advantageous (as discussed in the article) but did you notice Christie was also driven 100 yards by a black car with tinted windows?

    WTH….the man could use a good walk of 100 yards – don’t you think?

    But the sad part is this – the GOP is still after this guy to run for president in 2012. Do you think this video and accompanying story might just make a splash on the campaign trail?

    http://ridgewood.patch.com/articles/christie-lands-in-bergen-county-for-sons-baseball-game#photo-6344157

    • WOW! Some people have inflated egos, some people have inflated waistlines — Christie has both. I used to know what ‘conservative’ meant until the GOP got hold of the word and trashed it.

  5. Here’s a topic everyone can agree on!

    Democrats: No pay for lawmakers if U.S. defaults

    Sens. Barbara Boxer and Bob Casey sent a letter to Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner on Tuesday, urging him to include lawmaker compensation in the list of things he will have to stop paying if Congress fails to raise the debt ceiling by Aug. 2.

    “There is no reason that members of Congress and the president should be free from the pain that would be felt by our nation if the government were to default on its obligations,” the letter states. “If we cannot do our jobs and protect the full faith and credit of the United States, we should not get paid.”

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/31/news/economy/debt_ceiling_lawmaker_pay/index.htm?source=cnn_bin&hpt=hp_bn3

    • indypendent

      We should all demand an up or down vote by each Congress Critter on this – let’s demand to see where each one of them votes on whether THEIR paycheck goes bye-bye while they are playing politics.

    • But, but, fnord, didn’t you get the memo? It’s only income taxes, and the higher(est) marginal rates that matter. Let’s not interject facts into this discussion.

    • indypendent

      Could this be why the GOP is politically exploiting the illegal immigration now?

      I remember, not too many years ago, when the GOP was defending the use of illegals because nobody wanted to pay $10 for a hamburger. But now it is an act against God for any illegals to even be in the country.

      I am not saying the illegal immigrants have the right to come in and do what they want. What I want to see to control illegral immigration is the reason why these illegals come to be elimininated – the exploitation of cheap labor.

      Which – coincidentally goes along with this issue of white-working-class feeling alientated?

      Republicans certainly know how to use fear and hate to their advantage …

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/31/hispanic-population-rising-faster-than-anticipated_n_869209.html

  6. indypendent

    Has anyone else seen this news story? I saw it on telelvision a few hours ago so I searched for the story to post it here.

    I can understand and fully support people being able to defend themelves but at what point do people have the right to calmly leave the store to chase one suspect,return to the store and go back to the rear of the store to get a gun and then walk back up the front of the store to shoot one the second suspect, already wounded, 5 more times?

    The news coverage on television stated there is a petition drive to get this pharmacist out of prison. It was also noted that the judge in this case does not have to follow the jury’s recommendation of life in prison – is that a good idea to follow the public opinion poll? Or should the law be followed?

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/life-sentence-oklahoma-pharmacist-sparks-debate/story?id=13719078

    • When he went back to shoot the wounded suspect five more times he wasn’t defending a thing, and at that point he became a murderer.

      • indypendent

        What I don’t understand is how this guy gets all these people to sign petitions for him?

        Like I stated earlier, I can understand defending yourself and your co-workers (there were others there) BUT this guy calmly walked back to the suspect and shot him 5 more times.

        If this guy was so fearful and felt he had to defend himself – then why did he leave those co-workers to chase the first suspect and then come back and return to the front of the store to shoot the second suspect 5 more times.

        If I was that scared, I would be looking for the nearest phone to call the police and I sure as hell would have not chased the first suspect.

      • He gets gun nuts to sign petitions. There are people in this world (too many!) who live their lives for nothing more than guns. They are obsessed. I think their obsession [at least] borders on mental instability. They give gun ownership as bad a ‘rap’ as the religious nutjobs give religion. And guess what? If the news accounts are accurate, many of the gun nuts are also religious nuts.

      • indypendent

        Well, Oklahoma is in the Bible Belt (or it used to be, I assume things have not changed?)

  7. indypendent

    Read very carefully the first paragraph of what Rand Paul said – especially the part where he thinks we should deport or put into prison those people who attend meetings where the violent overthrow of our government is being discussed.

    oh, oh…..I wonder if Rand Paul knows there are Tea Party members who wholly support and have advocated the overthrow our the US government by use of the Second Amendment?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/01/libertarian-rand-paul-free-assembly_n_869754.ht

  8. 6176746f6c6c65

    That which you describe went from self-defense to murder quite quickly, imho.

    • indypendent

      I agree 100% in this specific case – and obviously the jury saw it the same way.

      This video is pretty black and white as to what actually happened.

  9. This guy wants America to go through a period of crisis. He probably thinks he is ‘serving the people in his district’ too. If this was a parent/child relationship I imagine he would call it ‘tough love.’ And I kinda get the impression he thinks he is the parent and WE THE PEOPLE are the children. Never mind that WE THE PEOPLE didn’t get ourselves in this tight spot. He will make us suffer, make us learn the lessons we need to learn… Remember the true Patriots who wanted to protect the people, advance the people’s interests, handle the job WE THE PEOPLE elected them to accomplish? Well, don’t count this guy among those kinds of exemplary elected officials!

    Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA), though, believes that default would cause a “crisis.” But, as he told Politico, he actively wants it to happen anyway:

    Nunes says the debt cap must be raised at some point but not necessarily before the point of default.

    Republican Rep. Calls For Default On The Debt: ‘It Could Benefit Us To Go Through A Period Of Crisis’

    “By defaulting on the debt, in the short and long term, it could benefit us to go through a period of crisis that forces politicians to make decisions” on major policies that affect the budget, he told POLITICO.

    The GOP has been playing chicken with the debt ceiling for months, but Nunes is now advocating outright default and all of the consequences such a default would bring.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/05/19/173961/nunes-calls-for-default/

    • indypendent

      I just listened to Rep Marsha Blackburn Republican from Tennessee state that ‘everything must be on the table’ but when Chris Matthews asked her if those Bush tax cuts are on the table – that is when this self-professing patriot turned tail and and no….

      The last time I checked the dictionary – the word ‘everything’ meant EVERYTHING…..

  10. indypendent

    Speaking of those Bush tax cuts…..they were promoted as necessary because these are the people that create jobs….

    Maybe somebody should tell these folks they are NOT delivering what they promised and this particular government program needs to be shut down.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/01/jobs-may-adp-private-employers_n_869588.html

  11. indypendent

    Looks like Kansas will again be the site of a protest….this time for Bradley Manning supporters.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/01/bradley-manning-supporters-fort-leavenworth_n_870036.html

  12. badbiker

    Okay, everyone knows that my mind is in the gutter a good portion of the time. This, however, is something even I couldn’t make up:

    “Anthony Weiner apologized earlier on Wednesday for having been “a little stiff” in his handling of the situation.”

    Come on, now, Tony, are you really dumb enough to say that?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/01/anthony-weiner-twitter-photo_n_870092.html

    • indypendent

      This entire situation makes me just want to throw my hands up into the air and say – the junior high level of maturity must be the ‘in’ thing.

      I still think the real story is Andrew Breitbart being the one that broke the story. But all eyes are on Weiner at this point in the game and, unfortunately, Tony is a politician and some politicians really are that dumb…

  13. G-STIR

    I heard on NPR that the E-coli outbreak in Germany is caused by a previously unknown strain of 2 different existing types of the bacteria. I wonder if this is the first case of bio-terrorism, or am I over the edge?

    Probably too close to call.