Tuesday, 5/17/11, Public Square


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44 responses to “Tuesday, 5/17/11, Public Square

  1. prairie pond

    So… things DON’T go better with Koch?

  2. FLASHBACK: In 1983, Reagan Warned Of ‘Incalculable Damage’ If Debt Ceiling Wasn’t Raised

    In a 1987 radio address, Reagan also said, “Congress consistently brings the government to the edge of default before facing its responsibility. This brinksmanship threatens the holders of government bonds and those who rely on Social Security and veterans benefits. Interest rates would skyrocket, instability would occur in financial markets, and the Federal deficit would soar.”

  3. Do you think if I study this enough I can learn to avoid those who science has figured out the reasons behind why they annoy me? 😉

    You Bug Me. Now Science Explains Why.


  4. David B

    Reagan is the Republican Christ – you can pick and choose which of His messages are important and which to ignore.

    • indypendent

      Reagan certainly does fit the typical picture of Christ most of these Evangelical Christians worship – white male.

      I wonder if these professing Christians have even thought for one minute about he real Jesus and the area where he was born. Was there a white man within 100 miles of that place? I seriously doubt it.

      Which then leads me to ask this – I wonder how many White Evangelical Christians would still worship Jesus if he was pictured as a Muslim-looking, bearded man?

      It’s al in the marketing….boys and girls…

      • I always wondered what genetic mutations were involved to cause a Semitic male to appear as a Northern European. /sarcasm to the nth degree.

      • WSClark

        If you really want to get the Christian Right in an uproar, tell them that Jesus (correct translation Joshua) probably looked like a young Yassar Arafat.

        It’s funny, but actually given Jesus’ standing as a Nazarene, He most certainly looked like the rest of the population of that area, Palestinian Jews and Arabs. Also interesting is that Jesus native tongue was Aramaic, which is an Arabic derivative dialect.

        Yeah, ask this question at your next church coffee hour – could Jesus actually been an Arab?

    • And, David B, much as has happened within the “Christian Church”, Reagan would not be permitted entry into the GOP existing today, much like Christ Himself would be repudiated by the Paulines that seized control some 1750 years ago (approximately) of the Church.

  5. indypendent

    So Newt is appealing to the Evangelical Christian Right and using this free pass card that God gives to all his favorites.

    This article is questioning whether Newt can win over the Evangelicals to win the nomination.

    I would like to pose another question – even if Newt does win the GOP nomination, can Newt win the general election – you know, the election that the Evangelical Christians do not hold the majority of votes?

    Anyone with a Bible in their hand, waving an American Flag and burning that cross can win the GOP nomination.


  6. http://www.americanindependent.com/184186/new-anti-abortion-rights-website-targets-girl-scouts

    I read it – I just don’t f***ing believe it. These folks have absolutely no sense of shame or regard for any facts that are contrary to the “truth”, as they perceive it.

  7. Speaking of Christ, anyone see some similarities with the following about Alexander the Great?

    “According to the ancient Greek biographer Plutarch, Olympias, on the eve of the consummation of her marriage to Philip, dreamed that her womb was struck by a thunder bolt, causing a flame that spread “far and wide” before dying away. Some time after the wedding, Philip was said to have seen himself, in a dream, sealing up his wife’s womb with a seal upon which was engraved the image of a lion.[4] Plutarch offers a variety of interpretations of these dreams: that Olympia was pregnant before her marriage, indicated by the sealing of her womb; or that Alexander’s father was Zeus. Ancient commentators were divided as to whether the ambitious Olympias promulgated the story of Alexander’s divine parentage, some claiming she told Alexander, others that she dismissed the suggestion as impious.[4]”
    (Shamelessly copied and pasted from Wikipedia, as I’m unable to spend the time today reading Plutarch.)

    • indypendent

      I watched a documentary on the History Channel and I forgot all the details – but the gist of the story is this: alot of the religions in the world are eerily the same stories.

      And we are also talking about religions that are long gone from present day.

      One thing that I noticed when I was involved in the Evangelical Christian movement – we were expressly forbidden (even told we would go to hell) if we wanted to investigate and learn about other religions.

      Do you think they wanted their targeted audience so afraid that they would only look to the one source of knowledge – THEM – and thereby keep the control?

      Fear does alot of damage to alot of people in alot of ways.

      • Kind of like my understanding of how the Roman Catholic Church operated “back in the day”, when it was heresy for non-clergy to possess a copy of the Bible; the Catechism explained it all, and was not to be questioned by mere mortals without the necessary divine insight needed to “understand” how things were.

        The Alexander the Great snippet was to demonstrate the occurrence of miraculous births of heroes occurring in various cultures in that part of the world in roughly the same eras as that of the birth of the Jew who became known as Messiah, not as a comment upon various religions as such (where there does exist great similarities, as you know, in the myths surrounding them), which were obviously subject to cultural influence.

        From your comment, indy, I take it there was no comparative religion course offered (at least one which compared anything other than different versions of Christianity); am I close in my presumption? 🙂

      • indypendent

        Hell, we were not even encouraged to learn about various Christian religion.

        In fact, the final reason I left the Evangelical Christian group was because I married a Southern Baptist preacher and my preacher told me I was marrying the Devil himself.

        So – Evangelicals really don’t like anyone but a mirror image of themselves. But even with that – if that mirror image were to have a bigger church or get more money into their offering buckets – I’m sure there would be Hell to pay.


      • indypendent

        BTW – those Southern Baptist people in my husband’s church were just as welcoming to me as my preacher was to my husband.

        In other words – I was told promptly on my first day as their preacher’s wife – I was not welcome because I came from ‘that church’.

        And then both churches wondered why we left after 6 months in the ministry and have not looked back since.

        I’ve said this before – I did not leave my faith – I left the damn church. There is a huge difference.

  8. indypendent

    Speaking of Scott Walker from the topic threader cartoon – look what he is up to now…


    • So, Gov. Walker gets to decide which laws are unconstitutional by Executive fiat and thereby not discharge his duties as Governor to defend state statutes which were properly enacted? I’m sure this falls under his budgetary plans; just imagine how much money could be saved if there was no need to fund the Judiciary.

      • indypendent

        But, but……he is only doing God’s work – isn’t that what all these Evangelicals say when someone dares to question them?

        IIRC – doesn’t the C-Street Gang believe that God has chosen the elected leaders and then these men are to carry out God’s work?

        And IIRC – Scott Walker is a proud Evangelical Christian…

  9. indypendent

    This former female Governor raises an interesting issue – should there be more women governors?

    With all the recent news of these fidelity-challenged male politicians – can we name any womean politician that has been caught in their own sex scandal?

    I like this Jennifer Granholm’s cut-to-the-chase response – keep ur pants zipped.

    That is the same thing I say to these pro-life supporters – when have we ever heard any one of these pro-life leaders ever tell their fellow neanderthals to ‘keep it zipped’? Alot less abortions would be performed if the neanderthals would only follow this one simple rule.

    But I suspect I know the reason the neanderthals do not think they have to keep it zipped. I actually heard this on one of those church radio shows that since Eve was the the one made Adam eat the apple and sin – all the problems of man has been caused by man.

    That explains alot – doesn’t it?


  10. WSClark

    “because I married a Southern Baptist preacher and my preacher told me I was marrying the Devil himself”

    I am sincerely sorry if this is offensive, but your comment prompted some thoughts concerning your wedding night and your discovery that you had married the Devil himself.

    Naw, on second thought…………… they are even too nasty for a guy like me!

    • indypendent

      Actually, we had a nice Christian wedding (in a friend’s Methodist church) and our lives have been rather ordinary.

      I kept looking for those devil horns on my kids’ heads but they never did pop out. LMAO

      As a side note – that preacher who was so sure I was marrying the Devil himself went on to have a serial fidelity-challenged problem and I believe he is on his 3rd or 4th wife by now.

      He was also asked to resign from the church and a Baptist Bible College as their president. I’ve been told that his kids will not talk to him anymore.

      At last report – he was a used car salesman. Really – the only difference is what – he sells cars now instead of his version of God?

      I believe in karma – and boy did karma have a booty-full of righteousness for that guy.


      • indypendent

        BTW – this guy is on Facebook and he has listed Conservative Christian Republican as his religion and passion.

        Enough said???

      • karma, she is a biotch, and I like it when things turn out as she promises. 😉

      • Just think, by the time we all wake up next Sunday morning, this guy along with a whole bunch of annoying people will have disappeared. The world will be a much kinder place!

      • indypendent

        Wouldn’t that be nice if it really happened that way on Sunday morning?

        Like I’ve told more than a few bible Thumpers – if you’re going to be in Heaven, why would I want to go there for an eternity to be next to you?

  11. indypendent

    There is hope – maybe we have found a new home for all those holier-than-thou Bible Thumpers who want to set up and rule Jesus Land:

    I hope these scientists can verify this info to be true soon. Aw shucks, I don’t care. I propose we all pool our money together and send each one of these Bible Thumpers to this planet whether or not it is habitable or not.


  12. indypendent

    Another article about Gov Scott Walker. I must say – Wisconsin Walker has made everyone aware of what the true agenda of these Evangelical Social Conservative Republicans.


  13. Enjoy a good laugh!

    Koch Brothers donations give them final say on the Rapture

    HEAVEN – Following a staggering donation to the Heaven Fund, the Koch Brothers will now have final say on who gets Raptured, sources tell this reporter.


  14. indypendent

    I have a theory as to why there are so many vindictive and mean-spirited people in the world –

    God does not want them and the Devil does not want them so these folks are roaming this Earth until one or the other blinks.

    But what is really annoying are the self-righteous, holier-than-thou types. These are the ones God really does not and he is not about to blink for fear of having to hear that incessant pious whining for eternity.

  15. indypendent

    Has anyone been following that IMF guy’s case of alleged attempted rape of that hotel maid?

    I caught just a tidbit of Barbara Walters on The View and she was rambling on and on about how powerful men have this sex addiction.


    If the charges are true,, maybe this guy is nothing more than another jerk????

    • 6176746f6c6c65

      Actually, indy, she may have a valid, if unsettling, point there.

      I shall not torture you with the entirety of the process of analysis I have performed to arrive at my conclusion, which, briefly stated is that powerful people, predominantly male, exhibit sociopathic behavior. Included within this category is sexual promiscuity.

      Not quite the “sex addiction” statement Ms Walters made, but look at the signs that someone might be a sociopath, and see how many powerful public figures seem to fit more than one of the criteria in the simplistic bullet point list that are often posted.

  16. indypendent

    Here’s another one for the I don’t f***king believe it category……

    Is it something in the Wisconsin water?


  17. “Look, I never said I was a math whiz.”

    CBO confirms spending ‘cut’ deal actually increased spending

    Remember when John Boehner rejected a CBO analysis that showed the spending “cut” deal he brokered with President Obama and Harry Reid would actually increase spending by $3 billion?

    Well, the CBO has updated its analysis…and has reached the same conclusion:

  18. The democrats (kind, good) vs the republicans (mean, greedy, conniving) — and at the very end the people weigh in and good wins!

  19. Speaking of cuts…

    Just returned from a NEMHS Site Council meeting. The atmosphere in the meeting was funereal, to make an understatement. NEM got off lucky, this time; only lost the librarian, one counselor (back to one counselor again for ~600 students), and one faculty allocation. It could have been much worse.

    The one bright note was that preliminarily, NEM made AYP. If this holds, it may well be the only USD 259 high school to do so for the second year straight. Another semi-bright spot is that there were 400+ applications for an entering Freshman class of 150-160 (I guess there are a few”accepted” who haven’t yet pre-enrolled).

    • USD259’s best-kept secret!

      I’m sure qualified parents and people like YOU will fill in for some of the counselor duties. I know you would be excellent at counseling the college-bound student on the hows, whys, musts of applying to and finally choosing a college.

      • 6176746f6c6c65

        Thanks, fnord. There have been a few of us, from time to time, who have done this in the past, and it looks like it’s time to refresh my body of knowledge on the entire process.

    • 6176746f6c6c65

      I inadvertently omitted in the “kind of bright spot” details above the fact that this year’s Senior class has two Gates Millenium Scholars. An achievement for those two young folks, one about which they, their families, and the school should be very proud.