Monday, 5/9/11, Public Square

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  1. indypendent

    Now this is a mental picture I could have lived without…..LOL

  2. “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”
    – popularly attributed to Bertrand Russell

    Picked this up somewhere on the interwebs, and, as it accurately summarizes my feelings, decided to share.

  3. indypendent

    I have a question for Dick Cheney. If waterboarding was the key to getting Bin Laden, then why did it take from 2003, when we first started waterboarding, to 2011 to get Bin Laden?

    As Obama has always stated – IIRC – is that alot of people and many sources came together and that is what led us to Bin Laden. It was not just one piece of information.

    And now because of their mission to sanction waterboarding – these Republicans are stirring the hatred pot against Obama. These folks are even stirring up the debate whether Bin Laden was killed ‘legally’ or not.

    I will never understand how these people are so obsessed with the hatred of Obama that they cannot even bring themselves to put on a united front at the Ground Zero ceremony last week.

    Seriously folks, these Republicans need to put on their big boy pants and leave their Depends at home – it is time to grow up.

    • wicked

      “…then why did it take from 2003, when we first started waterboarding, to 2011 to get Bin Laden?”

      Slow drip?

      • Robert

        Slow drip? Wicked that is funny! I’ve got some friends that will get a knee bend on that explanation. Love it!

  4. indypendent

    I know I am going to hear about this comment from over the fence – but here goes.

    Just look at the ones who are calling for torture to be sanctioned – they are all professing Evangelical Christians. These are also the folks that tend to mix their religion with their politics – much like any other fanatical religious zealots.

    When looking back at history – Christians have been known to do unspeakable acts of horror and murder – and all in the name of justice (their version of justice).

    Men will justify anything they want to do and if they can disguise it as being patriotic or for religious reasons – they have no problem with it.

  5. indypendent

    If Republicans are not happy living here under the presidency of Obama, I’ve heard there is a recently vacated compound in Pakistan that is going for a good price.

    I’m sure we could get a collection plate going and we can all chip in to buy them one-way tickets.

    • They’re irrelevant. Ignore them. Take a look at their potential candidates and enjoy a nice belly laugh at their expense. πŸ™‚

      I’ve read where some of them have given up on the presidency in 2012 and are hoping the idiots they elected to Congress and governorships don’t cause them to suffer losses and go backwards. Some real losers they elected on their team!

      • wicked

        I see Newt officially threw his hat in the ring today. (rolling eyes)

      • He is going to save the GOP! I have it on good authority that even tho he lacks a bit in the category of moral leadership he is exactly, precisely the person the GOP needs. πŸ˜‰

        You see, he is one of their own deviants so is forgiven. Besides they’re desperate for someone legit even if elections are about the future and they’re stuck in the past. The past is where they want to go!

      • indypendent

        I think Newt is throwing around alot more than just his hat – IMHO

  6. Thunderchild

    http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Teen_Set_To_Present_Plan_To_Restore_Joyland_To_City_Council_121529799.html

    Please support this kid and contact your city council rep. and ask them to as well.

    Wichita SO needs something that belongs to the community and does not have the name of rich capitalists or corporations on it.

    • wicked

      I’ve “liked” it on my FB page and commented.

      Louie the Clown was named for one of my great-uncles. I heard someone stole Louie. 😦

      I knew Hal Ottoway, son of the original owner, when I was a child.

      I’d love to see Joyland set right and running again. I highly doubt it’ll happen, considering how old everything is. I’d think that wooden rollercoaster would be a deathtrap, having sat there for so many years without a glance. But maybe something can be done, even if it can’t all be restored.

      • Freebird1971

        I’m all for the restoration of Joyland but not with tax dollars

      • indypendent

        There’s alot of things I don’t want my tax dollars subisidizing – but yet it continues.

        I am not a Kansas native so I do not know the history of Joyland. Is there someway this old amusement park could be designated as a historical site?

        In that way, the fundraising could be enhanced by that fact.

        And to be 100% honest here – I would rather have my tax dollars going towards restoring Joyland than to give another billion or two to these oil companies.

      • wicked

        Freebird, as far as I can tell, they aren’t looking for tax dollars. In this financial climate, with school funding getting cut and jobs slipping away, I think these people are wise enough to understand that there isn’t money to give. People are stepping up to volunteer to clean up the mess done by vandals and see what can and needs to be done to maybe get it going again.

        I’m a Wichita native, and although I haven’t spent all of my life in the city, my memories of Joyland go back a long, long way. It’s sad that the largest city in the state doesn’t have an amusement park. It’s just as sad that the neighborhood in which the previous park resided went to hell.

        If you’re on Facebook, check out the page and watch the video this group has made. For those of us who remember Joyland, it can bring tears.

      • wicked

        Maybe I was wrong about not looking for $$$ help, and I hope they don’t mind if I post this.

        Posted on FB today:
        One amazing City Council meeting. The council said that they see a need for Joyland back in the community and that they look forward to working with us. We are meeting with members individually to pitch our idea in a more formal style soon! They said they will that if the find the funding, they would like to help, if not then they will find companies that will. Joyland is more than likely coming back!
        Joyland Restoration Project
        http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Joyland-Restoration-Project/115209448557520

      • Robert

        I’d rather have a restored Joyland than a new Arena! I remember having more fun at Joyland than I do at the old Forum.

  7. 6176746f6c6c65

    While it doesn’t bother me that Wichita has no amusement park, I understand the desires and memories of those who grew up here with Joyland. Given the expected amenities for an amusement park today (think Worlds of Fun), I fear that any attempt to revive Joyland “as it was” will fail, miserably and quickly. The discretionary income available for entertainment shrinks for most of us; a high-enough admission to make Joyland self-supporting will be resisted unless there is a perception that such admission will be “worth it”, gaining access to something more than a roller coaster, etc., something that cannot be had at Worlds of Fun, Six Flags, et al.

    Then, the location is added to the equation, and the prospects of failure increase exponentially, imho. Like it or not, the perception of the area where Joyland is located is that said area is dangerous, gang infested, etc. I wish the supporters well, but I cannot see success.

    • wicked

      I can’t disagree with you, 6176. Not and be honest with myself. Just getting the rides repaired or leasing replacements would cost a fortune. There were rumors that it was going to be bulldozed. I guess that’s the alternative to breathing life back into it.

      OTOH, Joyland is not remembered only by those from and in Wichita.
      http://www.tommyandjames.net/joyland.html (2 guys that check out amusement parks around the country)

      • wicked, the point I ws trying to make is that while Joyland would not be a substitute for WOF, in order to attract those who do not hold your fond memories, namely the current crop of young(er) parents, there will need to be something offered comparable to WOF, in part and not in total. Otherwise, these folks will hoard their cash and make an annual trek to KC, especially if my feeling that admission prices would need to be comparable to WOF to make the effort successful is correct.

        My memory isn’t what it was, but IIRC, declining attendance was part of the reason for the decline and eventual closing. Yes, there were factors beyond the operator’s control, such as the change in the character of the surrounding area, but declining attendance prevented the maintenance of the place, much less any upgrades to attractions.

      • wicked

        I’ll give you declining attendance and location, but won’t completely agree with you on the WOF thing. Those younger parents you mention are my kids, and they remember Joyland. Reading the comments of those on FB, I wouldn’t say the majority are my age.

        I’ve been to WOF once. Never took my kids there. Their dad didn’t do rides.

        Time will tell. It depends on if the money and sweat can be raised, and then what the plans are. Wasn’t that wild west place getting a lot of visits?

      • Not really. This was part of the problem; the admission was comparable to WOF, but the attractions were deemed to be not comparable, and there weren’t many return visits (not that there was much opportunity for that). Remember, there were all kinds of promotions being staged, including nearly free daily admission, and the crowds never came in the numbers needed. I didn’t get there myself, but in talking to those who did, a common theme was no interest in returning unless the attractions were substantially upgraded OR the admission was significantly lowered to reflect the “third class” perception of the park.

        I’m aware of the popularity of the “Johnny Western Theater” w/the over 70 set, but that alone couldn’t pull the mass that was Wild West World successfully.

      • indypendent

        While I am no fan of the guy behind the Wild West World (was that name of the place?), to be fair – the rainy weather played a big role in the first month of that place.

        IIRC – the park only stayed open for 2-3 months – didn’t it?

        IMHO – the park was poorly designed and poorly managed by the guy.

        While I never attended this park- alot of friends and coworkers bought season passes and they were the ones that got stuck. The most common complaint I’ve heard from these folks was that the rides were mediocre and/or some rides were never even running (which were the biggers rides).

        So, all in all, the general feeling was that people got took…..

      • indypendent

        Actually, when I think about the Wild West World park now – I am reminded of how many church people got took from a fellow church-person.

        Some I feel sorry for – but one certain preacher deserved everything he got from that deal – IMHO

      • wicked

        6176, it may be that the last time I was there was before it closed and reopened under new ownership. We paid $15 each to ride all day.

    • wicked

      Joyland would not be and never was a substitute for Worlds of Fun. Anyone who went there knew that.

      • The fun at Joyland began at the sidewalk — you laid down on one of those HUGE hills and rolled and rolled and rolled. Got yourself back up and did it all over again. The parents were usually patient as this was the last ‘free ride.’

        I remember when my children did what I described above and I realized how tiny those hills were — they shrank! πŸ™‚

        I know we walked to school in knee-high snow and never (not even today!) will admit knee-high was 6 inches.

      • wicked

        My dad worked at Boeing throughout my childhood and beyond. Each year Boeing would hold an employees and family day at Joyland. Rides were free. Because I was an only child, I got to take a friend along. We’d ride all day, until we we were sick. Marilyn and I were addicted to the Rock-O-Plane, especially. The place was always packed, but we never minded standing in line.

        I took one of my Girl Scout troops to Joyland. They had a blast.

        My ex’s family held their family reunions there for several years. I have pictures of my youngest when she was about two, riding the merry-go-round with me beside her.

        I would stand and watch Louie play the “mighty Wurlitzer,” enthralled. I could feel the bass drum pounding in my chest.

        I was about ten or eleven when my uncle took me on the roller coaster for the first time, because neither my mom nor my dad would ride it with me. He was the one who introduced me to the Rock-O-Plane, too.

        There’s a home movie of me and my mom’s best school friend’s son (2 days younger than me), bundled in a big blanket, dripping wet, after a swim in the Joyland pool.

        Yeah, lots of memories. fnord, I was never allowed to roll down the hill, but I’m sure it was FUN!

    • wicked

      With five grandkids, I am disappointed that Wichita doesn’t have an amusement park. At one time, Wichita had two. Kiddieland never was as popular as Joyland. I may be confused, but I think it was where the Harry Street Mall now resides. Was that also the Meadowlark/Twin Drive-In location? I know the Pawnee Walmart is where the Pawnee Drive-In used to be.

      I blame my dad for my having a fondness for local history. πŸ™‚

      • Yes, Kiddieland was where the Harry St. Mall is now, which was just to the west of of the Twin – Meadowlark drive in movie theaters.

        I liked that herky-jerky roller coaster at Kiddieland. It didn’t go high but it went fast! Remember when they installed the trampolines? Great fun!

        btw, although I’ve not joined in the conversation with you and Robert, I too was a regular at The Alaskan skating rink. My best guess would have been in the late 50s when I went most regularly.

      • wicked

        Well, of course you did, fnord! The Alaskan was obviously the place for all the movers and shakers. πŸ™‚

        I don’t feel bad about being nostaligic. Even my kids bemoan their old “olden days.”

      • I’ve liked reading you and Robert, but the last few weeks have sped by with more to do than I can tackle.

  8. indypendent

    Were those trampolines like the ones back in Illinois – there was a trend of trampoline parks (I remember doing that like in the early 70’s).

    I also remember all the lawsuits these parks were hit with because the trampolines were installed over a concrete pad with cut-out squares where the trampoline was attached to the hooks on the sides of the concrete.

    Hmm, concrete and jumping people with no control of where they were going to land – what could possibly go wrong?

    Seriously, this was at a time when not many cars had seat belts back then.

    • Yep! And there were injuries here too so probably lawsuits. I was a kid. It was fun. πŸ™‚ I was, of course, invincible like all kids are.

      • indypendent

        I still remember during my grade school years – our playground was asphalt and then cemented the swings, monkey bars, slide, teeter-totter and something like a rock wall (but they didn’t call it that back then).

        I still remember how we used to get our swings going so fast that they would swing completely over the top bar .

        We’re we invicible or is it true – God watches out for babies and fools?

        LOL

      • I think I read a study that concluded the part of the brain that actually says, β€œDanger, Will Robinson!” doesn’t develop until sometime into the 20s, so it’s a darn good thing someone watches over us.

        ‘Course that flexibility, ability to bounce back (being built close to the ground helps) helped a bunch too!

      • Robert

        Just now looking at yesterdays comments. Really Cool! You guys brought back alot of wonderful memories!