Monday, 4/18/11, Public Square

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  1. indypendent

    What is laughable is the promise these Republicans are making that no one over the age of 55 will be affected by their proposed changes to Medicare.

    Hmmm, this is the same bunch of folks that also told us extending Bush tax cuts would create jobs.

    Hmmm, this is the same bunch of folks that want to cut $100 billion from the budget and then turn around and give that same $100 billion to corporations. Where is the savings?

    Hmmm, this is the same bunch of folks that cried the big crocodile tears in 2008 when they suffered their humilating loss to Democrats. This is when this same bunch promised they had learned their lesson and wanted a second chance at governing and promised to create jobs if put back into power. They have been in power for several months and not one job-creation bill has been proposed.

    Hmmm, with a track record like this – why would anyone believe one single word that comes from their mouths?

  2. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_saudi_oil

    Kinda refutes (once again) the quaint notion that oil market prices are based on supply and demand. If that was true, oil prices should have been reduced (if, as stated, there was an oversupply of the same). Instead, they continue to rise.

    • indypendent

      Oh, but I have heard many Republicans blame Obama for the rise in gas prices. It’s is fault you know because he is ‘one of them’. wink-wink..

      I guess these same folks forgot that George W. Bush and the entire Bush family are close friends with the Saudis (those people). Why George even got to hold the King’s hand while strolling through the garden.

      I’ve always wondered why George did not ask the Saudi King why all but one of those 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia?

      Then I’ve always wondered why the GOP flying monkeys never asked George W. why he was so friendly with the Saudi King but yet they hate all Muslims.

      Being a Republican can confuse so easily – can’t it?

  3. Taxes at the lowest for over fifty years. Americans would be

    rollin’ in clover

    in high cotton

    have it made in the shade

    if anything Republicans say is true.

    • indypendent

      It’s a good feeling to know the taxes are the lowest in fifty years. But the fact there are more people requiring government services does not exactly make it easy to balance that budget – does it?

      Do you think this could one reason why our infrastructure is falling down around our ears? And our power grid is outdated? And our transportation system still does not include high-speed rail across the entire country?

      If you want government services, then you have to be willing to pay for those services.

  4. One minute they’re lamenting the burden of all this being passed down to their grandchildren and then they turn around saying that no one over the age of 55 will be affected by their proposed changes to Medicare and this is suppose to be a good thing? What about their grandchildren. Are they concerned about future generations or not?

    • indypendent

      I suspect all this is just partisan politics – as usual.

      I wonder if any of the GOP devoted followers even realize that the current GOP playbook is the same playbook that was followed from 2000 to 2008? You know, those were the years that our economy came crashing down?

      We’ve discussed this issue before – but I am seriously waiting for some sign of an intelligent Republican who wants to stop all this grade school bullying tactics and this grade school name calling and really try to present a serious Republican presidential candidate.

      I have some terrific family and friends who are Republicans. These folks are seriously thinking about voting for Obama (wow) because they cannot fathom to think of one of the current Republican wannabe’s in the White House for 4 years.

      But you know what – my family and friends and I can talk about politics without become bitter enemies – but with this current group of elephants – it is very hard to even hold a factual debate with them.

      And God forbid if you say anything about separation of church and state – then you’re the one labeled the Jesus Hater and all possible lines of communication is shut off permanently.

      I feel like our current political scene is some really bad reality t.v. show and the cast is filled with all the wannbe’s who want to appear important – but in reality, are nothing more than fake celebrities.

      • So far I’ve heard Republicans say they won’t vote at all if this is the best the GOP can muster. But they’re all positive a viable candidate will appear any day now. One who passes all the litmus tests of the kooks, still appeals to the moderates and independents, has no history but does have good solid experience, can succinctly explain an agenda that no one can find holes in and solves all the nation’s woes… You know, just your everyday person. 🙂

      • indypendent

        Seriously, do you blame any serious Republican for not wanting to jump in the current pool of the krazees?

        Anybody with one brain cell working would be towers above the current crop – but yet it seems only the nutty bumper sticker quotes or the 30-second soundbites make this particular group of grade schooler giggle with delight.

        A serious Republican would have no chance in this circus atmosphere. – IMHO

  5. indypendent

    Speaking of the current crop of krazees………
    What is a Conservative Evangelical leader doing talking to Donald Trump about running for president?

    Maybe somebody needs to go get an interview with Jack Abramhoff and see what he has to say about Ralph Reed and the world of politics?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/18/ralph-reed-says-he-has-no_n_850445.html

    • indypendent

      I heard Robin Williams yesterday say that while Trump is demanding to see Obama’s birth certificate – he would like to demand to see Trump’s hairline.

      I just don’t get it – but with someone with as much money as Trump has, why would he allow himself to be the butt of a bunch of hair jokes?

      Unless the man has no sense of embarrassment or he actually thinks he looks good?

      • I saw the Robin Williams interview, too. Love that guy, ever since I first saw him as Mork. I liked what he had to say about it not really being Trump at all but an alien. The hair is an alien that came from outer-space and said, “Oh LOOK, a bald guy!” and attached itself and took him over. Makes as much sense as some of the things that come out of The Donald’s mouth.

  6. indypendent

    A little bit of humor on tax day……..(and yes, I did mail my tax returns on Friday night with a paper check) I want to test that GOP theory that all the IRS agents are on hand to attack me if I don’t get my money to them ASAP.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/18/why-glenn-beck-leaving-new-york_n_850457.html

  7. FLASHBACK: Ronald Reagan Raised Corporate Taxes To Force Tax Dodgers To ‘Pay Their Fair Share’

    Saint Ronnie Raygun —
    “undertook a comprehensive tax reform effort that actually raised the corporate taxes and closed numerous loopholes that allowed big firms to dodge their tax responsibilities. As part of these reforms, Reagan passed the 1986 Tax Reform Act. This law “raised corporate taxes by $120 billion over five years and closed corporate tax loopholes worth about $300 billion over that same period.”

    During the signing ceremony for the speech, Reagan explained that his goal in pursuing these reforms was to make sure “that everybody and every corporation pay their fair share”:

    REAGAN: We’re going to make it economical to raise children again. Flatter rates will mean more reward for that extra effort, and vanishing loopholes and a minimum tax will mean that everybody and every corporation pay their fair share.”

    And this is how far today’s Republicans have sunk, and how they serve the masters who bought them. “When asked about this tax dodging, leading members of Reagan’s party have shown nowhere near the Gipper’s motivations to crack down on corporate America. Potential GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich said we should “celebrate” corporate tax dodgers, and Tim Pawlenty responded to a question about Bank of America paying nothing in federal income taxes by saying “taxes are too high.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/18/ronald-reagan-corporate-tax/

    • indypendent

      If you pay nothing in federal income taxes – then how can taxes be too high?

      These people talk in circles because they know their base does not really care about the facts – they only care about winning – even if it means bringing down the entire country to shambles.

      • 6176746f6c6c65

        But, but indy, the poor babies might have to pay some AMT. Oh, the horror; oh, the shame.

  8. indypendent

    Weren’t we just discussing about those charity groups that work for years but the results of their charity are in question?

    I did not see the 60 Minutes report about this guy – did any of you?

    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42647480/ns/today-books/?GT1=43001

    • I saw it. Really fishy when the guy won’t return calls for interviews then calls security on the reporters when they confront him at a book signing and then he sneaks out the back door. He really doesn’t want to answer any questions. They’ve caught him in many lies and just plain fabricated stories.

  9. OK, I’m needing someone to help me get this all straight in my head. All this figuring and fact checking about taxes…
    http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/18/michele-bachmann/michele-bachmann-says-top-1-percent-pay-40-percent/

    What isn’t making sense to me is the focus on this large percentage of all the taxes that the rich pay. Of ALL the taxes that are paid the 1% or 2% pay this huge chunk of the pie. And this is suppose to be outrageous and we are ‘burdening’ the poor rich people with carrying everybody else with this tax money. Why isn’t anybody putting out there what percentage of INCOME this 1% or 2% claim of the total? Let’s look at that chunk of the pie. Isn’t that what is more relevant? 1% or 2% has to do with the population. It’s like saying that 2 people out of 100 are sitting on the pot of gold but all 100 should be paying the same 1 coin in taxes. Right?

    • indypendent

      According to this chart – 45% of households owe no taxes (and they are not all the stereotypical poor types – there are some well-to-do people in that group).

      But if 45% pay no taxes – then that leaves 55% that do pay taxes. So why do the wealthiest 1% o 2% think they are the only ones being gouged?

      I know, silly me, these are the 1% or 2% that believe in buying their own particular elected official puppet to say whatever they want them to say – all at just the right tug of a certain puppet string.

      It’s a shame I don’t have a few of those puppet strings, I know where I’d like to attach mine so they biggest yelp would come out of their two-sided mouths.

      A better question is – why did thes
      http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/14/pf/taxes/who_pays_income_taxes/index.htm

      • indypendent

        Please disregard the last half-sentence – I edited the comment and forgot to delete the part I changed…

        It’s been a typical Monday ….ALL day……

        LOL

  10. 6176746f6c6c65

    Right. More meaningful than Bat Sh*t Crazy’s number. BTW, IIRC the number is around 17%. What would be relevant as well is the percentage of total income “earned” by these poor downtrodden folks.

    Memo: the concept behind a progressive tax system is “the more one makes, the more one pays”. I realize the onus this places upon those who cannot understand this concept, but keep after it, folks; it’ll become clearer as you work on it.

    • 6176746f6c6c65

      Maybe reading Luke 12:48 will help those who are still grappling with the concept of a progressive tax system.

      • indypendent

        I suspect that is one of the verses that will be changed by the Conservative Bible Project. You remember, the son of Phyllis Schafly, that infamous Christian Conservative Republican activist, is behind that project of rewriting the Bible to suit their agenda.

        Hmmm, that says alot about a group that has to rewrite the Word of God in order to justify their actions.

        And yet there are minions of these flying monkeys all eagerly awaiting to do the bidding of the Conservative Christian Republicans.

      • 6176746f6c6c65

        You’re probably correct, indy; of course, they’re leaving the Pauline Epistles alone, right (shaking head while recalling Thomas Jefferson’s famous statement)?

      • 6176746f6c6c65

        http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/jeffintr.html

        Speaking of Mr. Jefferson, the above link is to an introduction to the so-called Jefferson Bible, which will surely be used in some way as justification by the members of the Conservative Bible Project…..

      • indypendent

        But I thought Jefferson was very much in favor of separation of church and state?

        Oh, what am I worried about? Those clever Conservative Christians have no problem bending historical facts.

        Why I even heard that the Founding Fathers worked tirelessly to get rid of slavery – imagine that? I wonder if any of them realized they could have just yelled out the back door of their own plantation main house and yell ‘You’re free’…

    • indypendent

      Here’s why no one should feel sorry for the wealthiest Americans on the issue of taxes.

      What makes me even angrier is when these wealthiest Americans actually get their snoots filled at the government taxdollar trough and then have the nerve to get uppity (yes, I said uppity) at the mere notion they need to pay their taxes.

      Geesh, talk about the tail wagging the dog…

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/18/tax-cuts-rich_n_848933.html

  11. indypendent

    Where are all those pro-life people that value life so much?

    Here’s a problem that can be addressed by redirecting some of those donated millions to harass doctors that perform legal abortions to a worthy cause – giving already-born kids that same life sanctity value the pre-born gets from their so-called pro-life group.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/18/foster-children_n_845894.html