Wednesday, 3/30/11, Public Square


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  1. GOP congresswoman to Democrats: ‘Stop talking about jobs’

    Tue Mar 29, 2011 at 08:15 PM EDT
    GOP congresswoman to Democrats: ‘Stop talking about jobs’

    by Jed Lewison for Daily Kos
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    It’s safe to say that most politicians don’t want want their constituents to think they don’t care about jobs. You’d think Republican congresswoman Judy Biggert of Illinois would feel the same way, but during a debate on GOP legislation to terminate the HAMP program, Biggert turned to her Democratic colleagues and told them to—and this is a direct quote—”stop talking about jobs.”

    video here (listen for yourself) —

    • wicked

      She has a job. Obviously she’s not doing it so well when she doesn’t know whether she wants them to support or oppose the amendment.

  2. Glenn Beck Dropped By Radio Station Because His Bizarre Religious Rants Hurt Ratings
    The company’s president said that Beck’s rants had become increasingly religious and hard to follow.
    March 28, 2011

    A radio chain that dropped Glenn Beck from five of its stations since January did so, in part, because the show’s content was hurting ratings, the company’s president said Monday.

    • wicked

      That oughta bring tears to Beck’s eyes.

      Between Glenn Beck and John Boehner, there’s no fear that either Kleenex or Puffs will go out of business. 😉

  3. Newt fears Islamist-atheist America
    Gingrich sees U.S. becoming “a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists”

    • We’d all wonder about the choice of a person following any faith without being convinced it is the most superior. Those who are Christians, Jews, Islamists, Buddhists… all feel this way. As they should or they would still be searching. The inability to hold your own opinions without respecting everyone else has that same right seems to be an allusive thought to some. Those are the ones who will criticize governments run as a theocracy while pushing for their chosen faith to run their own country’s government. This is what I call pushing your own religious beliefs down the throat of others. The whole separation of church and state is made out to be an attack on their choice and they’re unable to comprehend that doctrine allows everyone to have their own personal choice respected.

      Isn’t freedom of religion one of the biggest reasons our country was formed?

      • wicked

        Those are the ones who will criticize governments run as a theocracy while pushing for their chosen faith to run their own country’s government.

        Hypocrite definition
        one who puts on a mask and feigns himself to be what he is not; a dissembler in religion. Our Lord severely rebuked the scribes and Pharisees for their hypocrisy (Matt. 6:2, 5, 16). “The hypocrite’s hope shall perish” (Job 8:13). The Hebrew word here rendered “hypocrite” rather means the “godless” or “profane,” as it is rendered in Jer. 23:11, i.e., polluted with crimes.
        Easton’s 1897 Bible Dictionary

    • wicked

      “a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists”

      Um, isn’t that an oxymoron?

  4. House freshman Duffy tells constituents “he’s not living high on the hog” on congressional pay

    “The benefits that were offered to me as a congressman don’t even compare to the benefits that you get as a state employee. I just experienced that myself. They’re not nearly as good,” said Duffy.

    “But $174,000 — that’s … three times what I make,” said the constituent. Someone else at the listening session asked if Duffy would vote to cut his salary, according to a recording of the event.

    • wicked

      Maybe they shouldn’t have had six kids?

      • indypendent

        With all those kids, he should be sitting pretty with all those income tax exemptions when it comes time to file his tax return.

        Hey, my kids are grown – I do not get any exemptions except for me and my husband.

        Our salary is the same as when the kids were young – so, in effect, my taxes went up – didn’t they? I thought all Republicans believed in nobody’s taxes being raised?

        As for him taking 7 months without a paycheck – that was his own doing – nobody made him do it.

        Sounds like the guy just wants a pity party…Of course, that is allowed if you’re a Republican. Everyone else is supposed to pull themselves up their bootstraps and not whine.

        I’ll vote a Republican when I see them do as they preach…….I suspect I will not be voting for any little R anytime soon.

      • indypendent

        BTW – it’s not just tax exemptions for those kids. There are also tax credits for kids. That piles up quite fast when you’ve got 6 kids.

  5. Freebird1971

    Don’t care who you are this is funny

    • I love dogs and cats and how honest, loving and forgiving they are. Have you ever found one who holds a grudge? I haven’t.

  6. indypendent

    I’ve been hearing the GOP talking point about went to war without asking Congress.

    Well, it seems the truth is there for all to see – if one would simply be open minded enough to look for the truth.

    Below is a link to an article published on March 1, 2011 (long before the first US plane was sent to Libya) in which there was a UNANIMOUS vote in the Senate for exactly what Obama is doing militarily in Libya.

    So what is the truth about Republicans?

    1) Did they just forget they voted FOR the current military action.
    2) Do they not know what they voted for?
    3) Are they just being hypocritical?
    4) Are or they just using a totally false talking point (yet again) and hoping no one has the intelligence to research and find out the real truth?

    I suspect it’s #4 – what do you think?

    • May I choose all of the above?

      It seems #4 accurately describes the GOP constituency because they really are falling for whatever talking points are fed to them. It must be easy to be a GOP politician, you never have to tell the truth or be questioned, your constituency sees the little “R” beside your name and are devotees.

      • indypendent

        Personally, I do not like what we are doing in Libya. But I don’t think Obama had much of a choice. This scenario has been set for a long time now.

        I suspect the same Republican sheeple spreading the latest talking point about Obama not asking Congress before taking action against Libya are the same sheeple who do not know George W. Bush lifted sanctions against Libya/Gaddafi in 2005.

        WTH…… Gaddafi was the same dictator before 2005 that he is now – so why the change of heart in 2005 by a Republican president? Of course, George gave Gaddafi alot of taxpayer dollars in 2005 ant yet not one word of outrage from any of his sheeple about that massive federal spending.

        But, of course, in 2005 Gaddafi was a help to GWB because that little pesky Iraq War was going on and, well, we all know how that story ended – don’t we?

        This is exactly why I do not want us in Libya now. Because at some point, it will draw us into the entire Middle East crap again and I don’t want any part of their crap.

        I do think we need to get off the dependence of oil (many politicians on both sides of the aisle have promised this for years) and then what power would these Middle East countries have?

        These countries only have two things – sand and oil. If we do not need their oil – they only have sand as their next resource. And we don’t need anymore sand – do we?

        I’m tired of playing footsies with these corrupted foreign dictators and then wonder why the snakes all turn on us and bite…..


      • indypendent

        P.S. – I wonder how much of those US taxpayer dollars Bush gave Gaddafi in 2005 was used to buy weapons his soldiers are now using to fight against us?

        I wonder if our soldiers are having to fight against Libyans armed with war planes that were supplied the USA?

        Now what kind of sense does that make???

    • itolduso

      Fail. Read the resolution.

      • wicked

        Then what do you believe the resolution said about actions that could be taken? Please be specific.

      • indypendent

        From what I’ve heard from Republicans, first they were for what Obama has done in Libya and now that he has done the same thing – they don’t like it.

        God himself could come down from the Heavens and say Obama was doing what is right and these self-proclaiming Christians would spit in God’s face.

        In other words – they don’t care what the resolution said or does not say – THEY know all the answers.

        Yeah, right, I guess that is why the New and Improved GOP’s approval ratings is tanking and the Tea Party’s tea is really going bad -……fast.

      • wicked

        To be fair, I seem to remember itolduso saying he’s a conservative independent, not necessarily a republican. (My apologies to itolduso if female.)

        Also, I think everyone’s emotions are running high these days, and our take on news items can sometimes be skewed and a bit partisan, even when we don’t mean them to be. Because itolduso has freely admitted to not being liberal, I’m curious to know what he read into that particular news item on March 1 aka the resolution. I don’t agree with his “fail” comment, but will let him explain. That does not mean I will change my mind. 🙂

      • indypendent

        Yes, wicked, you’re right – itolduso has claimed to be a conservative, not necessarily a Republican.

        But the truth be known – I am a registered Republican and even I can read something and know what it clearly says.

        But I must confess, although I am a registered Republican, I do not blindly follow the talk radio or Fox News – so maybe I just read the Senate resolution and not the New and Translated Version that must be hitting the airwaves on certain fair and balanced network and/or talk radio.

        That must be the difference. That, and the fact I do not hate a blinding hatred of Obama. I’ve said several times on this blog that I do not like everything Obama has done or said – but compared to the current crop of the Reagan wannabe’s in the GOP circus – I’ll take Obama.

  7. indypendent

    Looks like the Kansas Voter I.D. bill is on its way to become a law.

    While I have no problem with showing my photo I.D. to vote, I do have to wonder about a few things that are in this article.

    1) I can understand the active-duty military personnel but why their spouses? Don’t military spouses have photo I.D. to get on these military bases? And if not, then that is a problem that needs to be addressed.

    2) If the purpose of this new law is to make sure only eligible voters are voting, then why are mail ballots only required to list a drivers license # or state ID # . Where is the proof of the photo matching up to the person mailing in the ballot? I thought the whole purpose of this was for identification?

    If I just have to list a DL # – then what is to prevent me from grabbing my family members’ numbers and mailing in ballots in their names?

    Or the same could be said for any illegal voters – just get a bunch of DL # and you’re back in business. It’s not like the fake documents business is not flourishing….

    I still don’t see what the problem is – now if there are two ballots being cast for the same person – then I can see where we might need some law to prevent that because that could be an indication of voter fraud.

    • indypendent

      P.S. I have yet to see any statistics on how many people are being caught or suspected of voter fraud?

      On the Republican side, I can only surmise there must be a huge problem. But if there is such a problem – then wouldn’t the last election be suspect because ALL Republicans won their particular races?

      Hmmm…….makes one wonder, huh?

    • wicked

      My only question is how do they intend to pay for this change? Information will have to be sent out to ALL voters. Just imagine the printing costs, alone, without the additional postage.

      Your tax dollars at work. 🙂

      • 6176746f6c6c65

        No need to publicize, wicked; just post a notice at each polling place should do it.

      • wicked

        I could’ve sworn Kobach said it would be publicized in some way.

        A sign at polling places won’t do the trick. Suppose I don’t drive and took a taxi to vote, then sent it on its way BEFORE I saw the sign. I may or may not have a “valid state ID” and don’t have one with me. Do I forget about voting? (I would, and the air would turn blue around me.) Do I find a phone? (I don’t have a cell phone. And since most polling places are in churches, I’d have to ask where there was a phone I could use. Imagine that.) If I do call a taxi to take me home, then back again, if it’s late in the day, I may not get to vote.

        Okay, that’s my “what if” for today. *grin*

        But here’s a biographical note. My dad didn’t learn to drive until I was in high school. After one harrowing experience with his driving, on the way home from church one day, he never drove again. Well, except for that one time he drove a few blocks to the bank in the small town, and told me later that he’d been so nervous, he nearly left the car there and walked home. LOL For several years he didn’t have an ID, because he decided not to renew his license. He did eventually get that ID, but only because he needed it to write a check…probably 1 or 2 a year.

      • indypendent

        There are alot of people that don’t have a photo ID. But at least the state is making those free of charge (if I remember the article corrrectly?).

        But I still wonder about those mail ballots. I have voted that way several tmes in the past and I was always wondering how they knew I was actually the person that I stated I was when requesting a ballot.

        I honestly do think there is an epidemic problem of voter fraud. But that fear sure did play out well to the other side – didn’t it?

      • indypendent

        correction: I do NOT think there is an epidemic…

  8. indypendent

    What happens when a Supreme Court Justice gets a traffic ticket?

    Apparently Justice Scalia took the ticket and did not cause a scene – unlike some others who think they are in such high places think they are above the law. For examples – those state elected officials who think they have challenge coin in their possession or a the wife of presidential contender who thinks she was wronged.

    I like Justice Scalia’s style in how he handled this one. Good for him. Now maybe if all others in high places would take lessons from Scalia…

  9. Arizona governor Jan Brewer is once-again proving her GOPedness (I’m making that word up because I can’t think of another that more perfectly describes her display of GOP creds).

    Arizona enacts ban on abortions based on gender, race

    • wicked

      That photo of her makes her look like her blonde wig is sliding back, she has the highest forehead I have ever seen on a female (and I’ve seen some high ones!), or she needs to buy some Rogaine. Other than that, that blonde color is not attractive on her…considering her age or at least the age she appears.

      Yeah, I know, my nasty streak is showing. My kids keep telling me I’m getting nastier by the day. But guess what? I’ve earned the right.

      • indypendent

        I am thinking the Arizona hot sun has not been a friend.

      • wicked

        I’m thinking you’re right. 😉

        Just one of many reasons why I tend to shy away from mirrors. Jack Nicholson was right, at least when it comes to me. “You can’t handle the truth.” LOL

      • WSClark

        When Jan Brewer dies, they are going to make a nice pair of cowboy boots out of her face.

      • prairie pond

        Hee heee. Would those be snake skin boots? Methinks so!

  10. indypendent

    Wisconsin Gov Walker seems to not know what he wants. First he campaigns against the evil government money but now he wants $12 million of that money.


    If I was Obama – I would tell little Scottie that he made a big deal out of not wanting the money, so now the money goes to create some real jobs for real people.

    That might be the only way some real jobs are created in under Walker’s reign.

    After all, as we have seen from other Republican elected officials – Republicans want Democrats to stop talking about jobs.

    Who can blame them for not wanting Democrats to stop talking about those jobs that these GOP elephants have promised but now seem to not remember they ever said those words.

  11. 6176746f6c6c65

    OT Rant:

    I’m fed up with people texting. Not while driving (which should be punished as severely as DUI, IMHO), but – wait for it – while walking. Today, I’ve been the victim of two people that were so busy texting that each of them walked right into me, ignoring my verbal warnings (on both occasions, I was not in a position to avoid them by taking evasive action). Of course, it was all my fault (in their opinions). Hey, if you’re only 5′ tall and 100 lbs., it may behoove you to pay attention to what you are doing. Trying to explain this to the young person involved was a waste of time, as she (in this case) had the outward intelligence of a two year old, all apologies to any two year olds who might have been offended. She, however, was an absolute Rhodes Scholar compared to the young man who was the other offender.


    • wicked

      Just for you, 6176. 🙂

      • indypendent

        I remember this woman – she was a hoot. Wasn’t she the one that went on some national morning news show and then was arrested on unrelated charges or something?

        Last I heard, this woman was going to sue the mall for her tripping???>

  12. indypendent

    While we’re on the issue of texting……I just have to make this comment.

    I am on Facebook, but just barely, because I have family and friends in Illinois and other parts of Kansas – and this is how I keep in touch with everyone.

    Anyway – I am always amazed at what people will say on Facebook and the pictures they post of themselves and their kids.

  13. indypendent

    Positive news – private sector added jobs in 203,000 jobs in March and Dow is up.

    But as the old saying goes……one step forward and two steps back…

    We are still dealing with the looming government shutdown (last I heard it was still a ‘go’ from the Party of ‘NO’. So does any positive news make up for what is being kicked down the road by our illustrous elected officials.

    And just how much does the Party of NO want to win and how much are they willing to crush the positive economic news we have been seeing lately?

    • indypendent

      And what does a possible war in a third Muslim country do for our economic recovery – not to mention the morale of Americans who are just so damn tired of wars.

  14. wicked


    They ‘shoulda been a contender’ in the NCAA.

  15. indypendent

    Then what do you believe the resolution said about actions that could be taken? Please be specific

    I’ve noticed that when pressed, Republicans don’t know how to be specific when they are just throwing all that mud at the wall and hoping something sticks.

    If these new and improved elephants were serious about being specific – they would at least be showing us their budget and how their budget will be creating those jobs they have all promised.

    But, alas, these folks are too busy demonizing women in trying to redefine the definition of rape and trying to make abortion illegal – because, after all, they are busy creating those jobs.

    I was reminded today of how the extension of those Bush tax cuts were supposed to have been needed to create jobs.


    • Robert

      I believe history is being repeated following the great depression. Republicans of today are behaving as they did back in the 1930’s The oligarchy of the 2000’s are all about busting unions, driving down wages, killing jobs in America and getting richer. What have the Koch’s of America done with there money since the Bush tax cuts? A long list of nothing good for there country. What is it going to take for America to wake up?

      • indypendent

        Hey, the Koch boys are only following their family history.
        I wonder if the Tea Party people know, or even care to ask, how the Koch fortune was started and whose money helped a great deal.

        Let’s just say – McCarthy would not approve.

        But it’s not just the Koch family fortune – alot of the wealthiest families in America have had questionable starts as to how the family money was made.

        The Kennedys and the Bush families come to mind. Just do some research on who was dealing with whom back in those good ol’ days.

        Everything is not as rosy as one might wish – and these folks demonize socialism as a bad thing.

  16. indypendent

    Since no one else has mentioned this – can you believe it has been 30 years since Reagan got shot?

    I can still remember where I was and what I was doing when I heard the news.

    But I still have more sympathy and respect for Jim Brady than I ever had for Reagan. Jim Brady is the one that was left paralyzed from that shooting. He and his wife Sarah have been fighting for 30 years for tighter gun control.

    I was watching the CBS News tonight and they were the network that talked with Jim Brady and his wife about what that shooting meant to them. And they are still fighting for some common sense gun control. Sarah Brady made a very good point tonight when she brought up Gabby Giffords and that shooting.

    How far have we come in the last 30 years??? Not very but both she and Jim vowed to keep on fighting.

  17. indypendent

    Wow – looks like even the GOP’s Golden God cannot get enough candidates to host a debate.

    How much more proof does one need to know the current crop of Reagan wannabe’s are not good for the Grand Old Party?