Monday, 3/28/11, Public Square


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53 responses to “Monday, 3/28/11, Public Square

  1. So, this is what rational people are up against. Is there a way to make any sense out of nonsense?

    • Zippy

      “Stab” is the correct word (OMG! LIBERAL BIAS! LIBERAL BIAS!).

      The 5-4 outcome is predetermined, and damned depressing.

      I’m trying to avoid gluttony and sloth, though. There’s no time for either.

  2. I do a lot of my book ‘reading’ via audio books. Recently I have check out “1968: The Year That Rocked The World” from the Kansas State Library…

    I missed out on a lot of this since I was only 12 in 1968 and, like most middle class, middle America, American children, was not exposed to much of what was going on. What has become of the young Revolutionary Americans that survived Vietnam? The entitled that didn’t have to go that composed the Port Huron Statement?
    I haven’t had a chance to read it all but just scanning it I came across this: “The Stance of Labor. Amidst all this, what of organized labor, the historic institutional representative of the exploited, the presumed “countervailing power” against the excesses of Big Business? The contemporary social assault on the labor movement is of crisis proportions. To the average American, “big labor” is a growing cancer equal in impact to Big Business — nothing could be more distorted, even granting a sizable union bureaucracy. But in addition to public exaggerations, the labor crisis can be measured in several ways. First, the high expectations of the newborn AFL-CIO of 30 million members by 1965 are suffering a reverse unimaginable five years ago…”
    Why aren’t our rebels from 1968 rebelling again? Or in the least, why aren’t they inspiring their children and grandchildren? Is it that we don’t have something tragic enough to fight for, like Civil Rights in the south? What do you think?
    Rebels With A Cause

    • wicked

      Those rebels were forced to start working for the man, then became the man, which led them to become Republicans. If they weren’t already. Goldwater was a Republican, but at least he was a real conservative. What we have now are people who are so far right, they’re ready to fall off the edge.

      It’s all about GREED. Just one of the Seven Deadly Sins. They own many of the rest of them, too. Libs tend to fall under the sin of Despair.

      • Prairie Pond

        Heh. Actually Despair runs a close third, with Sloth and Gluttony respectively as my favorite sins! 🙂

    • This from a January 09, 2005 blog post at Left2Right (link following):

      Why should we care about a forty year old political manifesto? What possible importance could it have for us now? The Cold War is over; the Soviet Union is no more. The South’s system of apartheid has disappeared, and there has been significant progress in bringing black Americans into the mainstream of American life. It’s important to keep the historical record accurate, to be sure. But on a blog? The reason The Port Huron Statement remains an important document is that it is a model political manifesto of the American left. It puts forth a simple but very powerful idea, democracy that enlists the active participation of its citizens in its institutions, and it uses this idea to analyze the social conditions of its time, to criticize, in view of those conditions, the political and economic institutions that produced them, and to propose remedies that would move the country toward being a more truly democratic republic. The American left, as far as I’m aware, has produced nothing like it since. After nearly ten years of relative peace and prosperity, our country is now embarked on an open-ended and costly war on terrorism, whose enemy is even more ill-defined than “the international communist conspiracy” of yesteryear, and the legislative and executive branches of our government are now firmly in the hands of a political party that is bent on reducing the role of government in the country’s economic affairs, which plainly means increasing the influence of large and powerful private corporations in shaping our lives. The American left, never an especially unified force, seems to have fractured into a cluster of pressure groups vying for support for their signature issues. So divided, it cannot hope to mount effective opposition to the authoritarian and plutocratic trends that have set in and are being furthered under the cover of policies to spread democracy and freedom to the Islamic Middle East and to create an ownership society. Following Hitchens’s instruction and looking back to The Port Huron Statement would be one way to see how to articulate and organize a full political program for arresting and reversing these trends.

      • wicked

        One more try. I think a lot of those rebels became teachers and college professors. 🙂

      • indypendent

        Which is probably why the Far Right Conservative Republicans have now chosen to target their demonization onto teachers and professors.

        A ruling party that wants total control do NOT want an educated population.

    • wicked

      I noticed in the video that they talked about the four young blacks sitting at the Woolworth’s counter in Greensburg, NC, 1960, but it happened in Wichita first.

      There’s a book, Dissent in Wichitawritten by an associate professor of History at Friends Univ that’s about that time and beyond.

    • 6176746f6c6c65

      As an 18 year old in 1968, and most aware of all that was occurring, it seems to me that there is no military draft coupled with an unpopular war to galvanize the electorate.

      It also seems to me that wicked is correct, in general; but, I would posit that much of the greed she identifies came from those who came of age in the mid to late 1970s. A broad generalzation, to be sure. One thing I know is when I came back to campus to finish law school in 1977, the “social activists” in the student body (law school) were in general my chronological contemporaries, who had been in the military (usually the result of the draft, directly or indirectly) if male. The traditional 22-25 year olds were concerned with being on the Law Review, which garnered prime internships, leading to either Federal Judge clerkships or a high-paying associate’s position in a major firm. Translated, it was the money they were after. Nothing less.

  3. indypendent

    Looks the GOP presidential hopefuls in Iowa think social conservatism is fiscal conservatism.

    It seems these folks think our society has lost its way and no longer has any values of what is right and wrong.

    Which, I do agree with the assessment – but as I look at the group of Conservative GOP presidential hopefuls who were making these speeches – I find alot of them have done wrong, know they did wrong but yet still are up preaching down to the ‘other guy’ who is the heathen.

    Physician heal thyself came to my mind when I read this article.

    • wicked

      Pure projection, indy. They project they’re wrongdoings on the rest of society, therefore purging themselves of the original wrongdoing. Then they can freely point fingers and judge. (Note: While I don’t agree, half the country obviously does.) It’s a diversion, and it works, unfortunately. It’s the same old crap they’ve used for decades for other things besides morality.

      If these people would actually follow the Bible they love to quote, they’d be cleaning up their own lives and not worrying about everybody else’s. But that would be too difficult. Much easier to show how bad someone else is.

      As I was thinking this a.m. when I was driving down the street. If only we’d treat ourselves and then others with the kindess, love, and respect we all want, this truly would be a beautiful world. I don’t have any hope of that happening, at least ouside of myself. Something to ponder, anyway.

      • indypendent

        That is why I think this religion has no business in politics.

        These are the folks that seem to have this insatiable need to demonize their opponent. And I don’t mean to just debate and win the debate – I mean to demonize their opponent personally and completely.

        With this type of attitude – how can any governing come out of this idealogue? Governing is made up of compromise and, as well all have heard these conervatives proudly proclaim – they will NEVER compromise.

        You’re right – the world would be a much better place if everyone would just clean up their own backyard before starting on their neighors.

    • Presidential hopefuls who aren’t able to understand the most basic human rights seem to be abundant in the GOP. I’m speaking of those who want laws which treat people differently, place different values on people according to their gender, their ethnicity, their skin color, where they were born, who they’re sexually attracted to, who you chose as your parents…

  4. WSClark

    One of the arguments (?) floated by the Mittens for President group is that “MittCare was a state’s program and ObamaCare is a federal program!”

    Using my high-powered GOP examining microscope, the only difference I can discern is that Massachusetts is a ‘state’ and the USA is a ‘country. There may be more to it than that, but my microscope is only 1000x.

    Oh, and Massachusetts is one place I have seen.

    (No Googling.)

    • Since President Obama has told all the states (how many is that? 58 or some number like that 😉 ) they may apply for waivers giving them time to set up their own systems which must be at least as generous and cover as many people as the federal program, but may be more generous, what is the difference? The states can have it their way, or they can comply with federal law.

      • wicked

        Personally, I wish the bastids would just go form their own f’ing country and be done with it.

      • indypendent

        I’d even be willing to contribute to one-way tickets for all of them!

        Can I choose their destination? Let’s see – somewhere sunny with alot of sand – Iran or Libya perhaps?

    • I LOVE the old Bee Gees! Wore out a cassette by them in the ’70s.

      This world has lost it’s glory, let’s start a brand new story…

  5. indypendent

    “Rep. Steve King, the Iowa Republican who organized a day-long meeting on Saturday that attracted presidential hopefuls Newt Gingrich, Haley Barbour, Herman Cain and Bachmann, said that “the economic component of this is important, but when it goes wrong it is because it is the byproduct of a society that’s getting off track.”

    “We need to work on the economic issues, yes we do. But if we let our society deconstruct, to the point where it’s Godless and faithless and valueless, and it’s every man and woman for himself, collecting the spoils from someone else’s labor, we’re just simply pitted against each other. We’re not a unified people anymore,” King said. “It destroys us as a nation. I want to see a nation that is solidly bound together from a social construct.”


    I copied and pasted this from the link I referenced above about the GOP social conservatism being the same as fiscal conservatism.

    Let’s see – talking about losing our values and having speakers the likes of:

    Newt Gingrich – now exactly how many wives has he had? Oh yeah, he was the one who so passionate about his country that it made him have adulterous affairs.

    Haley Barbour – this is the guy from Mississippi that actually stated that there was no problem with racism in his state when he was growing up as a child. Just ask the White Council about that – they will back Haley up about that.

    Herman Cain – Isn’t this the pizza king that recently came out and said he would not have any Muslims working for him?

    And Michele Bachmann – well, what can one say about this gal? She was the one that told us our founding fathers worked tirelessly to rid our nation of slavery – of course, that was at the same time they were giving blacks 3/5 personhood – and women did not even rate that high.

    And let’s see – without values our society will be decimated to the point where everyone is out for themselves, collecting the spoils off someone else’s labor and being pitted against one another ….

    Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t this what demonizing the middle class as lazy and being paid way too much doing to our society? And corporate masters love that pitting one person against another – isn’t that why they prefer the illegal immigrants cheap labor exploitation as compared to paying a fair wage to one of those demonized middle class workers?

    While all this B.S. nonsense may sound good to all those in attendance at this meeting in Iowa – I think the rest of the country – and especially those independents that decide the elections – have caught on to the New and Improved GOP – it is still the same old good ol’ boys who wants to retain their power and money – especially the money!!!

  6. Controversy Flares Over GOP Probe of Professor’s Emails

    Just shakin’ my head.

  7. 6176746f6c6c65

    The problem here is the professor’s use, if any, of his University of Wisconsin email account for personal emails. This gives the mean-spirited, spiteful and vindictive members of the GOP valid legal grounds for the request. Another lesson in separation of work and personal lives. I don’t like what is going on, but recognize the right to make the request on the part of the GOP.

    • wicked

      Which is well and good, and I don’t disagree. The only problem I see is whether the R’s are open to the same.

    • indypendent

      Remember all those racist emails about Obama that were sent from taxpayer-provided Republican offices?

      How many of those elected officials were reprimanded?

      • indypendent

        I realize my example is not exactly comparing apples to apples here – but the elected officials were still using government-provided offices to send out their emails.

        And racist remarks about our the first black president could be seen as their opinions – just as this professor’s opinions.

        Where do we draw the line when targeting one person’s emails over another?

  8. WSClark

    I am not defending the FOIA actions by Wisconsin ‘Pubs, but if you use company e-mail for personal correspondence, you may as well just tack it up on the cafeteria bulletin board. There is no privacy to company e mail.

    The Wisconsin GOP is being petty and short-sighted, but the Prof was not thinking when he used a public domain for private correspondence.

    • wicked

      Whoa, wait one second. Has it been proven yet that the prof was using it for ‘personal’ email? Is that what’s in question? Or was it that he used “public” email to voice personal opnion?

      I guess I’m confused. Nothing new about that.

      • indypendent

        From what I just re-read in the article, the prof inaugurated his blog with the first post about Walker and now the Wisconsin GOP has gone after his emails on his university account.

        So I assume he was blogging on his university account and the GOP does not like it.

        But if the blog was not on his university account – then why would the GOP have any legal reason to ask for them?

        Which just made me think of something. Since we are taxpayers paying for elected officials and the university employees – are we entitled to copies of their emails if we request them? We are, after all, their employers and if they are using employer-provided email accounts – then what is the legality of this scenario?

    • indypendent

      This is not the first time a political group is being petty and short-sighted.

      I agree the Professor was wrong in his using his work-provided email to express his free speech.

      As to the issue of being petty and short-sighted – I think the Republicans are currently overplaying their hand – and they will pay the price come 2012.

      Especially if they keep up this drumbeat of demonizing all middle class workers. That won’t play in Peoria – like the old saying goes.

  9. indypendent

    I did not know the job of a South Carolina Senator was to get other Republican senators elected – did you?

    That’s what Jim DeMint seems to think. Hmm……I thought senators were supposed to work for their constituents back home.

    Silly me, what was I thinking??

    BTW – It sounds like DeMint is thinking the current crop of Reagan wannbe’s are not that great either – but I wonder who DeMint thinks is waiting in the wings to lead the New and Improved Grand Old Party to victory? Especially when the same Krazee Kissin Kousin Klowns are still driving the GOP circus train? Choo,choo……all aboard…….

    • indypendent

      P.S. – I wonder if the real reason Jimmy wants to see others in the GOP 2012 race is because he knows with the klowns we are seeing today – the GOP’s chances are slim to none they will see the inside of the top guy’s chair in the White House?

  10. indypendent

    A new controversy over the Wisconsin Anti-Union Bill. Seems Walker and Gang published the new law while it is under a court injunction. So is the law legally binding or not?

    Why all the rush about this anti-union bill being put into the books? Could it be that several of those Republican elected officials are on the road to recall? And Gov Walker seems to be destined for recall come January – so that is not far off either.

    Is this the reason for all the rush to push their anti-union law into action?

    • There appears to be a question on whether the action taken amounts to a “publication” in violation of the temporary injunction. It’s a fair question, to me, one which the courts will need to decide.

      • indypendent

        Which court? The one that put the injunction in or will it have to go all the way to the high court?

        And in the meantime – Gov Walker can do what he wants to whom he wants and anyway he wants to do it – so I assume?

  11. Laugh as loudly and as often as possible! It’s good for you! 🙂

    The Anti-Obama: Maher Introduces The Perfect GOP 2012 Candidate

    Meet Karab Amabo: “A fat, white, small-eared idiot, who angers quickly, overreacts to everything and can bowl 300; and who carries only one form of ID, his original birth certificate.” In short, he is the inverse of Obama, and as such is the perfect GOP candidate for 2012.

    Such is the case made by Bill Maher in support of a man who would be our nation’s first “home-schooled president” and who has extensive experience in “disorganizing communities.”

  12. Do you think any American companies moved to Japan in the rush to avoid paying taxes? I don’t either, but I’m buoyed by this news that shows not every corporation is built around greed.

    Japanese corporations agree to forgo tax cuts, for good of their country

    • indypendent

      I was always amazed at how the Japanese also take responsibility for their corporate action – ie when the nuclear plant manager and other employees went on national media and offered their apologies for the recent nuclear plant explosions etc.

      While I do not blame these people for the earthquake and tsunami that caused the nuclear plant’s problems – it is gratifiying to know the Japanese people take their work responsibilities to heart.

      Can you imagine our local corporate boys acknowledging a problem as their fault and an apology be offered?

      Rather, I suspect we would see millions being spent on a campaign to make the real victims of the tragedy the ones who are greedy, lazy and deserved to be contaminated……just sayin….

      • It’s the difference between the legal framework in Japan versus that in the U.S. about to whom the duties of a corporation are owed..

      • indypendent

        I suspect it is also the difference between how much money is made and by whom – hence, the American corporations are always about the money – IMHO

        I understand what you’re saying……but I also feel there should (and it used to be) corporations who care about doing what is best for their entire company, their city, state and the country. There used to be such a thing as being a good corporate citizen.

        Sad to say, I think that aspiration went the way of the dinosaurs when CEOs started making multi million dollar paychecks with even more in bonuses raining down on them – even if they get fired, they still get a big fat payoff.

      • For better or worse, it has become black letter law that the only duty of a corporation in the U.S. is a fiduciary duty to its shareholders to maximize the value of the shareholders’ investment. This grew out of shareholder derivative actions complaining about actions taken (or not taken) by the corporation which had the effect of not maximizing the value of the investment, whether in the form of share value, dividends paid, or both. These actions gained steam when pension funds (including State funds – California comes to mind, but California wasn’t the only one) began joining in these actions or bringing them from the beginning. The greed that led to the development of these laws was that of first, individual shareholders, then entity shareholders.

        Unfortunately, some of the actions we might think makes for a good corporate citizen have the effect of lowering the value of the investment, in the short-term for sure, and often in the long term as well. It’s not too hard to recognize the incentive to make more money at the expense of other goals, when costly litigation is a certainty when value maximization does not happen.

      • 6176, I double dog dare you to say that in plain English! 🙂

  13. 6176746f6c6c65

    I tried, fnord; I really did.

  14. indypendent

    Is it irony or hypocrisy that we have some people claiming America is the most Christian nation on the earth but yet we seem to be the country that is hellbent on making money at any and all cost.

    And we proclaim to be for those fighting for their freedom and rights but yet if our foreign policy has US taxpayer dollars being paid to any corrupt foreign dictator – is it really so wrong as long as the dictator is doing what we want him to do?

    I understand that our corporate rules for making money have been made for those who make the most money.

    I’m just saying that isn’t it ironic that a country that does not preach Christianity is a country that is seen as filled with citizens who seem to be so united, so graceful and peaceful under extreme hardships and these folks are still able to look towards the goal of what is good for the entire country – rather than who can make the most money.

    Whenever one of those self-righteous Christian Conservative Republicans go on and on about the reason our country is in such trouble is because of the godless in our midst – I want to hold up a huge mirror to that person’s face and say – take a good look at who worships the God of Money. And then blame yourself if God does not take too kindly to our hyprocritcal ways.

  15. A GREAT film to go with this post?
    “Trial Of The Chicago 8”, an HBO film.
    This film will probably not be at your local video store, and there is also an animated (read as: “sucks”) version out there too.