Tuesday, 3/22/11, Public Square


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24 responses to “Tuesday, 3/22/11, Public Square

  1. Just wanted to stop by and say howdy.
    I’m finally back online, this time with a MacBook Pro.
    So far I LOVE IT!
    Any Mac users with tips out there?

    In any case, HOWDY!
    Hope all is well.

  2. prairie pond

    Hi SEKAN–It is so very, very, VERY good to see you.

    I love my Macs at work. I have a lowly pc at home, but at the office, we are Mac all the way, as are many newspapers. I (heart) my Macs.

    And I (heart) you too! I hope all is well with you and yours.

  3. Zippy

    Hi Sekan, and you too Gstir! Hi again PP!

    Despite my support for Linux and open source stuff (I particularly like Mandriva) I usually, by necessity, end up using Windoze. Sometimes you have to run with the pack (sigh).

  4. Sekan, G-Stir, PP, Zippy, 6176…

    Tuning up my voice with my best attempt at Rodgers and Hammerstein…

    ♪♫♬ These are a few of my favorite… ♪♫♬

    I use a Mac. I don’t know much about computers, my kids and grandkids answer the questions I ask and know not to fill in too many blanks as it will confuse me.

    But I do know all about really good people and I find them here on this blog!

    • Zippy

      Macs are cool. Much of what works in Windows was stolen from Apple.

      Although the older the acerbic Steve Jobs gets, the more annoying I find him.

      While I wish him well on his health issues, I can’t wait for him to retire, even though he was undeniably the driving force behind Apple’s original success (Steve Wozniak, his partner, being the quite brain who made much of it possible in the first place).

  5. indypendent

    Hello everyone…..what a beautiful day outside….a little windy, but I’ll take this over winter any day of the week.

    the topic thread cartoon is one that is at least consistent with why our country seems to be on the tail end of progress …….no body wants it interfering with their personal space.

    I still remember the time Reagan took down the solar panels off the White House. But just bring that up to any Reagan golden idol worshipper adn they will say – so what?

    That explains everything, doesn’t it? If Reagan would have at least cared a little tiny bit about finding alternative sources of energy – maybe – just maybe – we would not have all these Arab countries (that Republicans profess to hate so much) holding our country over their oil barrels.

    • indypendent

      BTW – I also believe if Reagan would have come out strong in support of the AIDS victims instead of leading the paranoia pack on homosexuals – the AIDS epidemic would have been handled better.

      But, alas, we are talking about Republicans who like to find the boogeyman (even if they have to make one up) to keep everyone scared and paranoid.

      I hear that fear and paranoia is how they win elections – do you think?

  6. indypendent

    Here is a study about women going gray before they turn 30. The conclusion was the possibility of stress causing the gray hair.

    I can relate to that conclusion – because I certainly turned more gray during my cancer scare a few years ago. But I am way past 30 yrs old…..WAY PAST…


    • prairie pond

      Heh, I started going gray when I was 20, and it just gradually kept going. Until my Mom’s stroke, my knee surgery, and losing my job all in a span of months. Then it accelerated, so I guess the stress part is true.

      I noticed in the last few months, the graying process has become nearly complete. Bummer. I used to have coal black hair. Now, I look like every other overweight, trailer park type old lady… 😦

  7. indypendent

    I wonder if this is what the Tea Party members have in mind when they want to take us back to the good ol’ days?

    Debtors prisons? But notice the sentence about most businesses have bad debt written into their prices, write-offs and tax credits to offset their losses.

    TAX CREDITS? You mean US government gives business tax credits for bad debts? I thought the evil government does not care about businesses and and wants to drive them all away? At least that is what I keep hearing from the New and Improved GOP….


    • indypendent

      It is also interesting to note that this is a practice mostly used by payday advance companies……….

      But Capital One is a major player. And wasn’t Capital One a bank that took taxpayer money in the bailout?

      Maybe 6176 has some ideas about this article?

      • Yes, I do. There is, yo my knowledge, no Kansas statute that permits this process; however, one may be jailed for contempt of court, the process described in the link. I have never seen this in a debt situation other than for failure to pay child support or spousal support.

        As to tax benefits; there is a bad debt deduction allowed to taxpayers; generally, only accrual basis taxpayers benefit, as the taxpayer must have included the obligation in income in a prior year. When the debt is sold, there is no bad debt deduction, but a loss on the sale of the asset.

    • Zippy

      While I kinda doubt the Tea Party people look at things at that level of analysis (and that’s really the problem), the “leaders”–the “usual suspects” of the hard right aligned with the conservative wing of Libertarians–would really–honestly–like to take us back to 1890.

      No regulations on anything (scrape the damn lead off your own kids’ toys!), etc. And set up a nice feudalist state where the rich folks hire who they want (internationally, at the cheapest rates), to provide whatever they need, and it’s all privatized (hey, no problems with that!–ahem–particularly if the companies are in their portfolio), and everything in commerce that matters is marketed to those who have enough money to matter.

      Notice how much TV advertising is dedicated to retirement and investment funds? Yes, part of that is an aging populace, but this is not the first time in history that’s happened, and TV was around then too.

      It’s about investing the money you already have in the Wall Street derivative-driven casino (don’t worry about any connection of an investment to an actual positive business outcome–if the first quarter earnings of X look good, or—not even that–if you can invest a complex series of outcomes that make you money, then who gives a damn if any thing is actually produced, or done, that’s worthwhile, or a benefit to the human race?

      Gandalf the Wizard: “Wise fools.”

      Karl “Communist Manifesto” Marx (gasp! he’s quoting an economic theorist who died before modern communism even existed): (paraphrasing): “The capitalists will buy the rope to hang themselves with.”

      Spoiled children who want what they want, and are stubbornly oblivious to the consequences.

  8. Heard this at Dillons this afternoon, and just wanted to share. Yes, it has a personal meaning.

    • prairie pond

      That’s so pretty, 617. I used to know that song, but had forgotten it. Thanks for bringing it here.

  9. indypendent

    How far does a one little girl’s right to an education go when it affects the rest of the students and teachers in her school?

    Do these parents that are protesting have any legitimate complaints or are they just being mean spirited?

    To be quite honest – I am torn in this situation. But if I truly believe in every American has the same rights as I do, then is this little girl’s rights being violated if the protesting parents get their and force her to be home schooled?

    Life is not always black and white – this is one of those very gray areas.


    • I can certainly see where this is a difficult one. I would think that if MY child were that severely allergic it would be prudent to not expose them danger whenever possible. So if this child were to become ill while at her public school will her family hold the school liable? I would almost think that the liability would be a problem for the school. I don’t believe that providing a child with an education necessarily means having to alter everyone else’s lives.

      • indypendent

        I was taken back that this child’s severe allergy meets the criteria for the Disabilities Act – and that seems to be the sticking point.

        I am in line with your thinking – if this was my child, I would make the decision to home school. But then what does that do the child that wants to be treated like every other child in her school?

        This would be a very difficult case to resolve. And with the budgets being so tight for schools already – is it fair to burden the school district with yet another liability?

      • ” But then what does that do the child that wants to be treated like every other child in her school?”

        Everyone (or most everyone) has a desire to fit in, be a part of, the “group”. But that’s just not always possible, or feasible. I don’t think we do children any favors by making the world conform to their special conditions hands down. A certain amount of conformity is only proper. Ramps in public places and handicapped parking, things like that. Do we now ban all scented lotions, body washes and such from ALL public places because a few are highly allergic? I digress… the child is going to grow up, hopefully. Will the places she goes to pre-prepare them for her arrival? She needs to learn the reality that she will need to live with. My opinion.

      • indypendent

        I agree with you in the case of this child, but when her severe allergy condition meets the criteria for the Disabilities Act – then that is where the rubber meets the road.

        That is when it becomes a matter of her rights vs the rights of others.

        This debate and discussion is exactly why I posted this article – because there are sometimes problems arise even when we are trying to treat everyone fairly.

        And I totally agree with you that this child needs to learn the harsh reality of life – which is not everywhere she goes will be understanding as to her health needs. So it is up her and her family to prepare her for life in the real world.

  10. The crux of the issue, as indy has pointed out, is the ADA. To the point, what are “reasonable accommodations” in a case like this? The action taken by the elementary school in the cited case is likely on the boundary of this term.

    The objecting parents have, imho, no legal standing. Their students’ right to access an education is not adversely affected by the decision of the school. The allergic student’s right is no greater, and is not lesser, but in her case, there exist statutory enforcement provisions to assist her which the other students do not enjoy. I’ll posit that the parents of the allergic student would gladly trade positions.

    The private middle school where my wife worked finally just banned peanuts school-wide. This was deemed by the administration (I’m sure after consulting with counsel) to be the best way to provide “reasonable accommodations” to the students with peanut allergies while shielding the school from liability. This seems reasonable to me, although I’m sure there are those whose view differs.

    It is my understanding that peanut allergies are generally “outgrown” by the age of 16 or so. I don’t have a link on this, but recall seeing this when the action described above was taken. I don’t know whether this will prove true in the case discussed; I hope it is. Otherwise, the girl in question will need to carry an epipen at all times, etc., as do those with allergies to bee stings, as an example. I know these are different cases, but it seems to me the final outcome is the same, namely doing the best one can to protect against the “real world”.

  11. indypendent

    I’ll posit that the parents of the allergic student would gladly trade positions.

    6176 -I think you’re right in your assessment. In reading of cases like this one, it makes me thankful for the problems I have to deal with in my own life.