Friday, 3/18/11, Public Square


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17 responses to “Friday, 3/18/11, Public Square

  1. Rant Warning:

    The building where my office is located is old(er), and the two elevators that provide service are as old. We have been suffering problems with the same over the past few months. One has been out of service awaiting the special machining of a part for some 10 weeks (the elevator being so old and all). Yesterday, the one working elevator also went down (literally; stuck in the basement). The repair folks worked diligently to figure out what was wrong, and determined that so long as nobody took the elevator to the basement, all would be good. Signs were posted to that effect, inside the elevator car and on the first floor. Of course, they were in English, being hand written, and were ignored twice.

    Today, it was doing fine when I got here. Taking a break a few minutes ago, the elevator did not respond to my “call”; clearly, it wasn’t running. For my own curiosity, I went down the stairs to the lobby to see whether my suspicions were correct, i.e., the elevator was “stuck” in the basement. Sure enough, such was the case. The upsetting part was that the sign warning folks to not go to the basement was no longer present.

    Another tenant noted that he had been on the elevator earlier, and a “client” was also on. The card in the interior was still present, but the sign was missing on the first floor, and the other rider had a piece of paper in hand upon which he was writing. This will be most biased, but the “client” spoke no English, at least when spoken to by the other tenant, and was carrying on a cell phone conversation totally in Spanish. It is our conclusion that the “client” needed something upon which to write, did not recognized the importance of the sign, and helped himself.

    We now have several folks who cannot go up and down the stairs in this building, not to mention disabled clients of various professionals in the building. Bluntly, they are stuck until someone can get the elevator running again.

    To the employers hiring these folks (legal or otherwise) to get cheap labor: teach them to read simple English before unleashing them on the public. It will be appreciated.


  2. Freedomwriter

    Job creation is critical for our economy. Cutting programs is only going to make things worse. If you focus on developing our economy, the tax revenue will be there to support those targeted programs, and at the same time it will actually decrease the need for those services because more will have returned to the work force.

    It’s amazing how similar we can be when we aren’t discussing politics, but how disparate our thinking can be when we try to discuss how to govern. I propose we take a Republican to Lunch movement, where we listen to their views, but then expose them to the other sides of the issue.

    • indypendent

      I have several Republican family members and friends. Mind you, these are hardworking people that believe in smaller government and fiscal conservatism. Those are two things I also believe in.

      But what I am seeing is the New and Improved Republicans running the Grand Old Party.

      These are the folks that majority Evangelical Christians who push their social agenda under the disguise of fiscal conservatism.

      These are also the folks that refuse to even say the word compromise. These are also the folks that generally demonize any opposition as God haters, heathens destined for hell and/or baby killers.

      How does one expose that type of closed-mind to a different political view?

      As long as the current New and Improved GOP are run by the evangelicals – I am not very optimistic about politics being something that both sides can agree to disagree.

      Instead – politics has become very deeply divided and it continue to be that way. IMHO -Reagan brought the Krazee Kissin Kousins to the GOP circus tent and they are now known as the New and Improved GOP.

      Religion and politics should never mix.

    • The problem with this, “I propose we take a Republican to Lunch movement, where we listen to their views, but then expose them to the other sides of the issue.”, that has been my personal experience, the Republican is more than willing to tell you their views, but good luck getting them to listen to yours. I went around and ’round with a young man a couple days ago about his one issue voting stance and I was NEVER able to get through to him that saying “I would never vote for someone that didn’t vote pro-life (anti-abortion)” allowed his vote to be controlled. Nothing else mattered. He took offence to “nothing else mattered”, here’s his argument: “Ok, maybe I’m nuts then. It seems logical to me to say I won’t vote for anyone that isn’t Pro-Life. It goes without saying that I won’t vote for any Dems, but most, if not all, Repubs are Pro-Life. If I have certain views on other issues, such as taxes, or oil, or ‘insert issue here’, I will vote my conscience on those issues. In other words, there is Candidate A and B and C. All three are Pro-Life, yet they all differ on taxes, and other things. I will vote for the one that supports views I hold dear. If ANY of them waiver on the Life issue, they will NOT get my vote. Understand?” The problem was, I FULLY understand. I understand that the majority of those politicians that have taken the pro-life stance could really care less. But they have a dedicated voter base on the one issue.

      • indypendent

        Which is why I suspect the Bush and fellow Republicans – being all pro-life and everything – did absolutely nothing about the abortion issue for the 6 years of their total control . They even had a majority of the Supreme Court – and yet still did not even attempt to overturn Roe v Wade.

        Republicans like to have that abortion whipping boy every election so they can bring him out and really beat him good for killing all those little babies. That act sure brings out the fundies in a crowd and they thirst for even more blood of the beaten whipping boy.

        Because, after all, these are the good folks who are pro-life and value life.

        I guess I fail to see how voting in the same elephants year after year on the same old promise gets you any medals from God for being pro-life?

    • wicked

      We’ve scored a half point, my oldest and I. We’ve been working on her hubby (former USAF) for the past five years, explaining that he’s been brainwashed by The Man and needs to think for himself. He’s in his mid-30s and has never registered to vote. We’ve taught him the difference between Left and Right, Conservative and Liberal, Republican and Democrat. He’s finally beginning to see the light. (To be honest, I don’t know how he couldn’t, considering how we’ve badgered him. 🙂 ) He will sadly always be a racist, but at least he has recently registered to vote. The downside? He registered Republican. Probably afraid his family might disinherit him if they learned otherwise. LOL

      One small step…and a lot of butt kicking.

      • indypendent

        hey – I am a registered Republican…..we are good folks too. LOL

        Seriously, this young man sounds alot like my own son (about the same age). My son sees what has happened to his own job. He has been working 12-14 hours a day without a raise and if he says anything back to them – he is threatened with his job. This company has laid off numerous workers but the workload has increased. So the ‘lucky’ ones remaining who have their jobs are the ‘lucky’ ones to be treated like yesterdays’s fish guts in the garbage.

        But let’s not say anything to the corporate masters because they are too busy counting their money to send to their particular bought-and-paid-for puppet politicians.

        No wonder there is a big backlash from the working people in this country.

        As for your son-in-law – he has the right to vote whatever party he chooses but I do think his life experiences will generally determine what policies are his strongest beliefs.

        And, sad to say, just because you vote for Democrat does not mean you will agree with everything they do. As we have seen throughout history.

      • wicked

        Indy, I was registered Republican in the past for several years, so I was joking about the son-in-law’s choice. Of course we can all vote for whomever we want, no matter what the party! Up until 2000, I did just that. Since then, well, let’s just say there aren’t a lot of Rs (if any) that get a poke from my finger. It’s my way of protesting. And if the Ds don’t get their sh*t together, I may quit completely.

        I did mention to my daughter that she might want to tell her hubby that he’ll have to vote for the candidates she tells him to vote for. (That’s a family joke.) And if he doesn’t, she will have to loudly announce that he cancelled her vote…even if he voted before she did. (Another family joke.)

        But I do feel we’ve made progress just by showing him how important registering and voting is. Whether we get him to a voting “booth” is yet to be seen, but our spirits are high. 🙂 Actually, I think he got tired of us telling him that because he didn’t vote, he couldn’t complain, which we did every time he tried to share his totally clueless opinions.

      • indypendent

        I understand completely….

        Both of my grown kids (30 and 32) are so fed up with the way politics is played out today. Neither one is interested in voting and when presented with their argument of ‘Obama said he was going to change the way Washington works , and yet we are still in two wars, Gitmo is still in place and gays are still treated as second class citizens.’

        what can I come back with an argument to still participate in the voting process?

        But I do think as they get older, adn the grandkids get older, my two grown kids will get with the idea that if you do not participate – then you don’t have the right to complain.

        There’s never been a time when my vote did not cancel out my friend’s vote (she is a devout Catholic, pro-life, Republican) – but we still voted.

        And we can sit down and talk about politics and religion and not come to blows. We have agreed to disagree on somet things – and that is at least comforting to know she is not that rigid.

        But she is not Evangelical – so that helps. LMAO

  3. indypendent

    Ronald Reagan is viewed as the Golden God of Republicanism.

    Reagan is praised as bringing in more revenue. But what the Republicans refuse to acknowledge is the fact that Reagan left us with a huge deficit.

    So what good is raising the revenue if one is just going to spend it?

    The difference between Democrats and Republican spending is who gets the benefit of all that spending.

    Republicans love the war games – even if they have to put those costs ‘off budget’. And they have always been for giving taxpayer money to private corporations.

    Democrats tend to spend the taxpayer money on social programs for all Americans.

    I’ve noticed lately the code word from Republicans in defending their spending is ‘economic development’.

    I suspect that term really means the same old B.S. – the taxpayers will again be bankrolling the private corporations.

    We have tried that for several decades – it does not work. That trickle down theory has not, does not and will not work. But once in power, those elephants keep bringit that tired old trickle down theory back – don’t they?

    • WSClark

      What Republicans frequently fail to recognize about Reagan is that his policies were largely Keynesian economics. He may have said that his plan was “new” but in order to help revive the economy, he increased Federal spending to stimulate economic growth. Reagan also raised taxes several times, once to the point that the middle taxes rates were higher than the top brackets. (True.)

      Given the economy in 1980 – 1983, it is unlikely that the great expansion of the economy that was credited to Reagan would have happened had he ran a balance budget.

      Reagan was not the conservative icon that Republicans now claim to love.

      Oh, and he wasn’t real crazy about nukes, either.

      • indypendent

        He may not have liked nukes but I suspect he liked the old-fashioned weapons the best.

        You know – the kind the military industrial complex has been spitting out for years and years to the tune of what’s more than trrrrilllllllions (I tried to write how the New an Improved Republicans say the word trillions to make it sound like some big bad boogeyman. BOO…..

        IIRC – Georgie spent trrrillllions on his Iraq War and yet not one single sound from any of this minions of flying monkeys.

  4. prairie pond

    Heh, they also forget that Reagan was the one who made their Social Security checks taxable income.

    Details. Facts. Such pesky things…

    • indypendent

      Oh Prairie Pond – quick, say 3 hail Ronnies and get to the newest confession booth immediately before the bowels of hell break loose and swallow you up for daring to speak the truth…….

      heavy,heavy sarcasm///

  5. This may get lost in the late night hour, I’ll probably post it again tomorrow. Is anyone here familiar with this blog?…