Wednesday, 2/16/11, Public Square

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  1. Good morning!

    Foggy out there. Fog always reminds me of spooky movies or Twilight Zone episodes.

    Can you read the tiny words in the graphic of today’s header? They weren’t that tiny when I captured this and I posted it at the largest size allowed. (shrugs shoulders) Anyway, all the words seem apt in describing the Republican Party.

    While surfing this morning I came across several examples of what the GOP wants to bring Americans —

    Scott Walker, Wisconsin GOP Poised To Cut Worker Rights In Budget Fix

    Missouri Lawmaker Pushes Bill Rolling Back Child Labor Laws

    No, He Wouldn’t — Would He? House Speaker’s State May Get $450 Million Extra

  2. prairie pond

    …and don’t forget South Dakota may make it legal to kill abortion providers.

    No wonder we call them the Christian Taliban. At least here in Kansastan, better known as dumbfukistan.

    • I am against religious extremists whether in the Middle East or in the United States. Too bad so many of the GOP fans are unable to see how dangerous any theocracy will be to any country.

    • prairie pond

      Isn’t it interesting, in a sick kind of way, that South Dakota leads the nation in forcible rape, at 76.5 per 100,000? Gee, ya think the men in that state have some incentive for furthering their control of women and their reproductive rights?

      http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/south-dakota-hb-1171-legalize-killing-abortion-providers

      • indypendent

        It used to irk me when I was a kid growing up in the 50’s and 60’s to hear the phrase – boys will be boys.

        This logic was used to sweep alot of crap under the rug by these full grown ‘boys’.

        I also remember when I was growing up that it was considered no big deal when a man beat his wife. And then when I went to my Baptist church, I listened as the preacher told us all that men are to be the master of their house and the wives are to serve their master.

        Then we wonder why some men beat their wives? If they see nothing wrong with beating their wife, why would they consider it being rape if the wife ever told him ‘no’?

        And the sad part in all this was the fact there were young boys in those homes and churches hearing this B.S. master crap and continuing the tradition.

        No wonder the Republicans were the party that fought against the ERA so hard. How dare we women think we deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.

        If you remember – Phyllis Schafly became prominent in the anti-ERA movement. And guess who’s son is the one behind the Conservative Bible Project – that’s right – Phyllis’ son -Andrew. This is the group of Conservatives who are rewriting the Bible to more reflecg their agenda.

        Scary times folks —-scary times.

      • indypendent

        This explains how Andrew Schafly and his followers are rewriting the Bible. I wonder if they use chalkboards???

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Bible_Project#Conservative_Bible_Project

      • WSClark

        Speaking as a man – dyed-in-the-wool, red blooded American, as masculine as they come – I firmly believe that all men and women are to be treated equally, without exception, and that any so-called man that believes or acts differently is no man at all.

        Juz sayin’

      • indypendent

        WS – thanks for reminding me there are real men who know they do not have to use fear and intimidation to feel superior to women.

        I suspect your kind of thinking is the majority of men in our society – but the neanderthals are the ones with the biggest mouths and made the loudest noise.

      • indypendent

        Hey WS – are you the red-blooded man that has a thing for Halle Berry?

        Have you ever watched Tamron Hall on MSNBC? She is very attractive and a very smart woman. She reminds me of Halle Berry in some way – I think it is her short hair and that beautiful smile.

        Tamron hosts ‘News Nation’ on MSNBC and it comes on after lunch (I think?)

  3. I posted the link above, but I wouldn’t want you to miss this one so here’s how the story begins —

    No, He Wouldn’t — Would He? House Speaker’s State May Get $450 Million Extra

    There are two things the leaders of the new majority in the House of Representatives have made clear since they began to assume the reins of power three months ago. They would:

    * Cut spending

    * Eliminate earmarks

    Those two frequently repeated objectives are being translated into legislation in a 359-page bill filed on the House floor Friday evening — legislation that will be considered by the full House later this week without the benefit of hearings or even committee deliberation. As promised, the bill contains a breathtaking list of program cuts and terminations.

    The bill would shred, among other things, the social safety net in hard-pressed localities across America with reductions in nutrition programs for infants and pregnant mothers. And it would cut federal support to keep destitute families from having their heat and electricity cut off during one of the coldest winters in recent memory. Preliminary analysis also indicates that Head Start programs may be forced to shut down a month early in many communities across the country. Finally, the bill would deliver a particularly hard blow to struggling local governments, canceling out billions of dollars in assistance to law enforcement, sewer construction, support of local schools, and so forth.

    But buried deeply in these 359 pages of ugly surprises is a provision that would mean one community in America would do a lot better than all of the others. The legislation added an estimated $450 million for a particular bit of defense spending that the Department of Defense did not ask for and does not want.

    • Yeah! Make sure all uteruses (uteri?) are government controlled, allow abortion providers to be murdered legally and cut every smidgen of aid helpless mothers and children may have available — brought to you by the GOP!

  4. This is the mentality of the GOP —

    Half Of GOP Primary Voters Wrongly Say Obama Non-U.S. Born: Poll

    Fifty one percent of Republican primary voters believe President Obama wasn’t born in the U.S., according to a new survey by Public Policy Polling.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/02/15/133782676/obama-not-u-s-born-say-51-of-gop-primary-voters-poll?sc=fb&cc=fp

    • More on the poll from the above post —

      “Romney’s the first choice to be the 2012 nominee by a good amount, getting 23% to 16% for Mike Huckabee, 11% for Sarah Palin, and 10% for Newt Gingrich. But with the birther majority he’s in a distant fourth place at 11%, with Mike Huckabee at 24%, Sarah Palin at 19%, and Newt Gingrich at 14% all ahead of him. That pushes him into a second place finish overall at 17% with Mike Huckabee again leading the way this month at 20%. Palin’s third with 15%, followed by Gingrich at 12%, Ron Paul at 8%, Mitch Daniels and Tim Pawlenty at 4%, and John Thune at 1%.”

      They may be a tiny bit convoluted. 🙂

      http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/02/romney-and-birthers.html

    • Many good comments on the NPR article. Here is one that made me laugh — “Half the GOP voters think the world is flat and the universe was created in six days. (On the seventh day, Reagan rested).”

  5. An interesting ‘clickable’ map —

    Middle East protests: Country by country

    Following the fall of the presidents of Egypt and Tunisia, unrest has been spreading throughout the region. Could a domino effect sweep more leaders from power?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12482311

  6. A small suggestion: if you think honoring the KKK is a-okay in the year 2011, then maybe, just maybe, you shouldn’t be running for President of the United States.

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    Barbour Refuses To Denounce Proposed License Plates Honoring KKK Founder

  7. indypendent

    I listened to televangelist Pat Robertson this morning and he actually stated that the Muslim Brotherhood were wrong when they announced they were forming a political party in Egypt.

    Excuse me, but if one truly believes in democracy – as all these ‘real’ Christians profess to believe then these same folks would want all citizens be involved in the political process and have their voices heard.

    Then Pat Robertson demonized Jimmy Carter for saying that the Muslim Brotherhood is nothing to be afraid of. Robertson even laughed and mocked Jimmy Carter a few minutes later.

    Excuse me again – but if one would be measuring another person’s life by thei way they live – then Jimmy Carter has Pat Robertson beat in living a Christian life.

    Maybe Pat is just a big green with envy or downright hateful jealousy??

    I’ll take Jimmy Carter over that pious Pat Robertson any day of the week.

    • indypendent

      When you think about it – the cartoon in thread header left off one important faction of the Republican Party – the Religious Right.

      I think moderate Republicans do not fit into the category as stated above. I know alot of moderate Republicans (who are now called RINO’s) who believe in women’s rights, abortion is a personal choice between the woman and her doctor and minority rights.

      But these moderate Repoublicans see the world different when it comes to corporations being able to run the show.

      But this Muslim-hating line of B.S. is coming straight from the Religious Right faction of the GOP. These are the people who want the holy war.

      And let’s not forget which Republican brought the Religious Right to the GOP table – Ronald Reagan.

      Actually, if the Muslim Brotherhood is wrong for wanting to form a political party, then the Religious Right is wrong for hijacking the GOP. Both religious groups are nothing more than people who want their religion – and only their religion – to be the ruling force.

      And both sides are dangerous when it is allowed to rule politics.

  8. fragotwofortwo

    the horror of the muslim brotherhood

    http://www.ikhwanweb.com/

    just dropped by to say hi

    • indypendent

      Thanks for posting this link.

      So, is the Muslim Brotherhood the main group of Islamists and there is a splinter group of radical Islamists within this group?

      To make a comparison – it would be like the Religious Right with a splinter group of radical Christians who think it is okay to bomb abortion clinics, kill doctors legally performing abortions, fly their planes into the IRS building, or to burn down their compound to show their hatred of government and/or politics?

      So I need to amend my statement above – the radical splinters of both groups are the same.

      • indypendent

        I still think televangelist Pat Robertson is a sandwhich short of a picnic. This man has said some pretty wild stuff before and no one ever seems to call him out on those ridiculous statements.

        Remember the time he suggested to his followers that certain Supreme Court justices needed to have a heart attack?

        Not only is that stirring the political pot – it certainly does not show much of infamous Christian compassion and love – does it?

  9. indypendent

    Read the link regarding Andrew Schafly and his fellow Conservatives writing the Bible.

    It seems these folks want to change the verse where Jesus was dying on the cross and he said ‘forgive them Father for they know not what they do’.

    Now to me that verse conveys the very heart of the Christian message – that God forgives us for everything we do and even for those things that we are not even aware of when we are doing them. Now that is endless love.

    But it seems Andrew Schafly and friends think that people knew what they were doing to Jesus was wrong and he wants that verse changed.

    In other words – whatever you do in life – you’re going to have to be punished because Jesus was not there paying the price for the likes of us.

    Doesn’t that change the entire message of Christianity?

    And doesn’t the insatiable need to punish people for what they do – even if they do not know what they did is wrong – smacks of some mental disorder in those wishing to see nothing but punishment? And it smacks of some mental disorder when the same folks perceive themselves as the ‘perfect’ ones that will help God punish those evil doers.

    I wonder if those infamous Christian preachers who have been found to be adulterers or embezzlers were punished? oh wait a minute, those folks are just sinners that need forgiveness.

    Hmmmm…..forgivness for the ones in the Chrsitian Con game but no forgiveness and only punishment for everyone who is not one of them.

    Oh, now I get it….

    sure, right, I buy that………LOL

  10. fragotwofortwo

    “So, is the Muslim Brotherhood the main group of Islamists and there is a splinter group of radical Islamists within this group?”

    Indy,
    Good question, if you look at their website, they are describing themselves as a pro-freedom pro-transparency group.

    My question to you, who are portraying the brotherhood as part of what evil empire or movement ect. Why should I fear them?

    Just for grins describe the American government who controls it and what are it’s policy goals.

    • indypendent

      From what I’ve gathered – the ones who are saying the Muslim Brotherhood is so terrible are those in the Religious Right faction of the GOP. And our government seemed to have had no problem with Mubarak for the last 30 years – even though he was a corrupt dictator.

      So – I guess once again our foreign policies do not exactly match up to what we profess to believe in – huh?

      But we have not even touched on another factor in all this – corportions and their money influence.

      And the influence of the our relationship with Israel.

      With all these differing factors in play – where does the fact that the Egyptian people should be the ones that determine their type of government?

      And if we truly believe in democracy and the freedom of people to determkine their own lives – as we profess we do – then that is really the end of the story – isn’t it?

      Bottom line – it is up to the Egyptian people to determine their lives – and we need to butt out.

  11. fragotwofortwo

    Is it legal to registrar my IP address as a corporation?

    • 6176746f6c6c65

      Assuming query was tongue-in-cheek. If serious, response is No, at least in the five states (KS, DE, IL, TX, and MO) with which I have any familiarity.

  12. indypendent

    This is the first article I found in my search about the deep division between Muslims and Christians.

    I had listened to a radio show a few months ago where the leader of the Southern Baptists (Richard Land?) went on and on as to how the Muslims are from the Cain line and that is why they will never be able to do anything but create violence (Cain , as we all know, was Adam and Eve’s son that killed his brother Abel).

    The Christians are from the Abel line and are, therefore, the pure ones in the world and are justified in defending themselves against the Muslims.

    BTW – This is why Christians should always -without fail – defend the Jewish people. God blesses those who defend his chosen people – the Jews.

    Has anyone else heard of this theory?

    All that I know from my personal experience is that some Southern Baptist churches are the most hateful, spiteful and most judgmental churches you will ever find. But I might be biased – because me and my husband were in the Baptist denomination when we were first married. My husband was an American Baptist and I was a fundamental Baptist – and both churches were hateful to us. It seems we were traitors for marrying one another.

    The resulting feud made the Hatfields and McCoys feud look like a Sunday picnic with happy balloons flying everywhere.

    I have often said – religions are man-made but faith is spiritual.

    I lost my religion back in the late 70’s but I did not lose my faith. I suspect God does not look at which religion you profess to belong to -but rather He looks at your heart. And hate in anyone’s heart will turn it black.

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/influential-theologian-troubled-by-christian-muslim-dialogue-30829/

    • indypendent

      BTW – my husband was the preacher at his church and those people still treated us like a piece of dirt beneath their feet. That made it even worse – we were not just people that attended church – he was the leader of his.

      And then people wonder why I am cynical and suspicious about churches…

  13. indypendent

    fragot – But I did hear televangelist Pat Robertson say that the protesters in Iran are doing good and that – finally the Obama Administration is taking the side of the protesters.

    First of all – Obama has always said that he supports the rights of people to express their desire for freedom and their rights.

    So, by Pat saying ‘finally’ made Obama look like the bad guy right off the bat.

    But why is it okay for the Iran protesters to be in the streets but not the Egyptian protesters to do the same thing?

    Pat Robertson is only after one thing – his agenda is to make Obama look bad and he seems to constantly be pushing the holy war with the Muslims.

    I suspect his main goal is to get millions separated from his followers and find its way into his bank account. I have noticed each time Pat has a telethon to raise money ‘for God’, Pat gives his address as the place to send money.

    I didn’t know God lived with Pat – did you?

    • fragotwofortwo

      Your right indy,
      was it brother pat that said that god punished us on 9/11 becuz of the gayz?

    • He says God lives in his heart so I’m not going to question him. In fact, I have quite a problem with those who decide who does and who doesn’t have God in their hearts. God knows, but I sure don’t. Now, if we’re talking about Robertson’s behaviors, well, I have some real negative feelings about the way he behaves and the things he says. I think he’s stupid.

  14. We’ve all seen these before, this is the latest one out and is as interesting as its predecessors.

    Shift Happens 2010

  15. fragotwofortwo

    yo boener,
    where’s the jobs? you’re the leader of the pack what gives?

  16. The weather guy just told me it’s 80 degrees in Garden City, Kansas.

    My granddaughter came home from school today not feeling well, cold symptoms. Wonder why? Wasn’t it 18 below zero a week ago? I’ll be sure she gets some C and some zinc, plenty of fluids and rest…

  17. Freebird1971

    Is it ok to0 be intolerant of intolerant people?

  18. fragotwofortwo

    boener soft on defense?

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-02-16/house-kills-f-35-engine-funds-in-defeat-for-boehner.html

    you would think the speaker would fight harder

  19. Zippy

    Crap. All you have to do is blink–get distracted for a few days–and good news turns into crap.

    The under-reported good news: The Progressive Caucus and Raul Grijalva (the Tucson congressman from the wrong side of the District border (so to speak) managed to forge a coalition with anti-government Libertarian (and, yes, probably more than a few insane) Republicans, and produce a sane, decent, non-reauthorization of the Patriot Act and its overreaching, technically brutish and unnecessary provisions.

    The Senate–nominally controlled by Democrats, turned around and supported an “emergency” of so-called “roving surveilance” — a technically ignorant and constitutionally indefensible provision.

    The vote was 86-12. I don’t know who the dissenters were.

    Then a similar extension, thru December, was backed the US House, thru December. So much for the Libertarian coalition (thanks for the first victory, Raul).

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12469362

  20. Blaster

    What is going on? Nothing more than the usual. The rich get richer.

    It has been set up for years. Republicans have spent our money enriching and enabling our exploiters. They have sent our kids to die so the rich get richer. And here is the end game. “We would like to continue American entitlements, but we just cannot afford it.”

    Where is the sacrifice expected of those who have taken much from the rest of us?

    Isn’t it about time that those who have been given or have taken so much be expected to give back?