Tuesday, 2/15/11, Public Square


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44 responses to “Tuesday, 2/15/11, Public Square

  1. prairie pond

    Good morning fellow populists. It sure is nice to wake up to sunshine and milder temperatures. It’s supposed to last here until the weekend. Good thing. My farmyard is underwater from snow melt. I’m trying not to cut too many deep ruts that will require shovel and sand to fill.

    Houdini dog thinks it’s all fun and games to splash in the mud. The ensuing bath? Not so much…

  2. prairie pond

    The weather is giving me the seed catalog itch. This is the time of year I run into trouble, with my palate and farmer soul write a check that my aging legs, arms and back can’t cash later in the summer.

    Parapharasing “To over plant o not to over plant? That is the question.”

    I think I’m missing the “moderation” gene.

  3. My taxes are done — no big deal since it’s a simple short form for us for the past several years. Again in 2010 we had a low tax liability. We pay less in taxes than we did when we had dependents! Amazing!

    Speaking of money, taxes, etc., here is a piece that puts into perspective the wide gap between us and them.


    Nine Pictures Of The Extreme Income/Wealth Gap

    Many people don’t understand our country’s problem of concentration of income and wealth because they don’t see it. People just don’t understand how much wealth there is at the top now. The wealth at the top is so extreme that it is beyond most people’s ability to comprehend.

    If people understood just how concentrated wealth has become in our country and the effect is has on our politics, our democracy and our people, they would demand our politicians do something about it.

    The top 1% took in 23.5% of all of the country’s income in 2007. In 1979 they only took in 8.9%.

    It is concentrating at the expense of the rest of us. Between 1979 and 2008, the top 5% of American families saw their real incomes increase 73%, according to Census data. Over the same period, the lowest-income fifth (20% of us) saw a decrease in real income of 4.1%. The rest were just stagnant or saw very little increase. This is why people are borrowing more and more, falling further and further behind.


  4. wicked

    It’s definitely true, at least for our family, that most accidents happen close to home. My next to oldest was involved in one this morning, less than a mile from her house, with four kids in the small econo car. Some guy with expired insurance ran a red light, and she hit him hard with the passenger side fender. Screwed up that car, and they’d just got it paid off in December. Paying off that car was a big relief, since a layoff and a low-paying job to replace it have dropped their income considerably. They need two cars, since both work, and not even close to the same hours. This is what it’s like for the commoners. Just one disaster to overcome after another.

    • Are they OK, wicked? I mean physically from the wreck.

      • wicked

        They’re good, fnord. The two older ones are a little hyped up, but I picked them up and took them to school. The teachers can deal with it. (evil grin) My daughter is really upset. Of course she’s wondering what they’ll do for a car now. They’ll work it out, I’m sure. I’m thankful the airbag in front didn’t go off. Those things can be really dangerous.

    • Freebird1971

      Glad no one was hurt. My daughter had an accident a couple of weeks ago and when the police showed up her three yr old wanted to know if they were going to jail.

      • wicked

        LOL Freebird! That’s what we get for telling our kids the cops will take them to jail if they don’t behave. Yeah, it’s a balancing act.

      • Several years ago when my youngest granddaughter was 3 or 4 she spent her mornings with me and I drove her to an afternoon pre-school. We walked them inside so I became acquainted with her teachers.

        Well, came the day not long before they removed my gall bladder that I was suffering and called the doctor’s office who sent an ambulance — my age, pain was generally in the chest… Off I went to the hospital in the ambulance and Griffin delivered her to school that afternoon. When he walked her in one of the teachers asked her where her grandma was. Her reply, “The police came and took her away.”

      • indypendent

        fnord – thanks for the chuckle……

        I can imagine my own grand daughter saying the same thing……LOL

      • wicked

        Priceless, fnord. As I’m sure your granddaughter is. Out of the mouths of babes, as they say. 🙂

    • The airbag didn’t go off? And they hit really hard? Be sure to mention this to her insurance. Maybe something a lawyer might want to hear.

      • wicked

        Airbag isn’t broken. It was checked out. If it had deployed it probably would’ve broken her glasses and maybe her nose.

  5. Very interesting! Who is lying, everyone; who is lying most often, Republicans.


    A Smart Politics content analysis of more than 500 PolitiFact stories from January 2010 through January 2011 finds that current and former Republican officeholders have been assigned substantially harsher grades by the news organization than their Democratic counterparts.

    In total, 74 of the 98 statements by political figures judged “false” or “pants on fire” over the last 13 months were given to Republicans, or 76 percent, compared to just 22 statements for Democrats (22 percent).

    First, it should be acknowledged that the number of public officials subjected to PolitiFact’s Truth-O-Meter lens from each party is fairly even during the period under analysis.


  6. South Dakota Moves To Legalize Killing Abortion Providers

    A law under consideration in South Dakota would expand the definition of “justifiable homicide” to include killings that are intended to prevent harm to a fetus—a move that could make it legal to kill doctors who perform abortions. The Republican-backed legislation, House Bill 1171, has passed out of committee on a nine-to-three party-line vote, and is expected to face a floor vote in the state’s GOP-dominated House of Representatives soon.


    • wicked

      Christians? I highly doubt it. I believe Jesus said to turn the other cheek, replacing the old eye for an eye thing.

      Why don’t we just arm everyone, and if anyone else does something we don’t like, even if it’s legal, we can legally shoot them?

      I can’t see how that could hold up in court. After all, abortion, within specific boundaries/laws, is legal in the U.S.

      Insanity runs rampant.

  7. Glenn Beck: “Don’t do a Google search.” Why? “Google is pretty deeply in bed with the government.”

    What other basic internet services is Glenn Beck afraid to use, and why?


    • indypendent

      Can we say ‘paranoia’? I know we can….

      Seriously, I think someone has hit their head against the wall one too many times.

      • indypendent

        Maybe Professor Beck can show us the diagram of the diabolic plot on his chalkboard?

        The Beckster certainly has all those televangelists snake oil sales cons down to an art – doesn’t he?

        He is giving all those televangelists a run for their millions….LOL

      • wicked

        Police officer: Sir, let go of the chalk and step away from the car.

  8. WSClark

    “Google is pretty deeply in bed with the government.”

    I am sorry. Maybe it’s been a bit too long for me. Maybe I have a screw loose. Maybe I am a pervert. Maybe it just is really, really funny.

    I have this (unfortunate) mental image of Google in bed with Government.

    Graphic. Thanks, Glen Beck, I’ll never be able to Google again.

  9. One of the Bush administration’s main witnesses on Iraq’s non-existent weapons of mass destruction now admits he just made it all up. Good thing we only lost three trillion dollars, over 4,000 American troops and at least 100,000 Iraqi civilians.

    ‘Curveball’: I Lied About Iraq WMD To Help Topple Saddam

    • indypendent

      Oh, but fnord, that money does not count because it was OFF budget.

      heavy sarcasm///

      I find it so laughable that these same Republicans demonize about the deficit being so high but they NEVER count the two wars that GWB put off budget.

      Just because you don’t want to count it does not make it less debt.

      But, of course, these are the same fine Christian folks who also believe if abortion clinics are not in their midst -then abortions are not being done.

      Yeah, right…….

  10. Freebird1971

    Bout time for breakfast isn’t it WS?

  11. indypendent

    wicked – sorry to hear about your daughter’s accident this morning but glad nobody was hurt. And then add the fact that the other guy’s insurance had expired – does not make the situation anything fun to deal with. Hopefully she will not have to fight just to get what is rightfully due her.

    You also stated —- ‘They need two cars, since both work, and not even close to the same hours. This is what it’s like for the commoners. Just one disaster to overcome after another’…

    That is so true. I wonder if these folks who are so upset about the wealthiest getting their precious Bush tax cuts continued have any idea how the real world lives?

    Does the average Tea Party mad hatter have any clue as to how the younger people are the ones working crappy jobs for low pay (of which they are lucky to have that), and sometimes that crappy job does not offer health insurance and then these same younger people have to watch as these Tea party mad hatters line up at the local Walmart or Dillons Pharmacy to get their meds at cheap co-pays because these are the people that have government-provided health care.

    I hate to go near the pharmacy at Walmart or Dillons on certain days/hours because I know all the old geezers will be there bellyaching about Obama and that evil government while holding their hands out for their meds being paid for US the taxpayers.

    • indypendent

      I still remember those town halls protesters…..they were not the young people doing all that yelling and threatening……it was mainly old and white…

      • indypendent

        old and white……Fox News demographics???? I suspect these are the ones that also like all those chalkboard lessons.


    • So where are OUR young demonstrators? Who’s speaking to them?

      Did anyone read the comment on the actual article about the 9 pictures of extreme income. I had to comment back to it. I didn’t say everything I really wanted to, didn’t think it would do any good.

      • Yes, I read the actual article.

        Our young demonstrators? Maybe being provided for by their parents and grandparents? At least well enough they aren’t as likely to notice how bad things really are?

      • indypendent

        Unfortunately, I think that our younger people are somehow resigned to the fact that they are getting the shaft……or maybe they are so busy trying to keep their heads above water, they do not feel they have a say in politics.

        Obama had them interested in politics in 2008 and then we saw what happened when the rubber hit the road. Obama gave the Republicans multiple chances to work with him and the Democrats – but the Party of NO had to throw their hissy fits.

        And in the end – the hissy fit throwers got what they wanted. Then factor in the SCOTUS gives corporations ‘personhood’, so we are really screwed.

        I know alot of younger people who are working but not at the pay to support themselves, let alone their families. There are parents and grandparents helping these younger people.

        But then we have those younger people who have learned how to use the system. Hey, a girl gets pregnant, the taxpayers give her a monthly check or debit card, free day care, health care for the baby, WIC for the baby’s milk/formula.

        Unfortunately, in our desire to help those in need – there are those people who intentionally abuse the system.

  12. “In a better world, politicians would talk to voters as if they were adults. They would explain that discretionary spending has little to do with the long-run imbalance between spending and revenues…[and] that solving that long-run problem requires two main things: reining in health-care costs and, realistically, increasing taxes to pay for the programs that Americans really want.”


    • indypendent

      But some of those voters are middle school locker room bullies who only know how to demonize others.

      We can only have a meaningful dialogue if everyone is willing to listen and be willing to make their sacrifices, as they are demanding others to sacrifice.

      And good luck with that one in this day and age of ‘we are entitled to this because we are superior’. Americans are very arrogant and greedy.

  13. Did anyone watch the Presidential Medal of Freedom awards ceremony? I still have happy tears. Exemplary people who should inspire all of us. I also noted what appeared to be genuine admiration and respect among those recipients and President Obama — looked like they were a mutual admiration society.

    Sometimes I still stop and enjoy the feelings of pride that we have a well-spoken president representing America once again. I try to forget how often bush the lesser embarrassed me.

  14. I think this advice is excellent!

    What dumb thing did Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann or Glenn Beck just say? You don’t need to watch Fox News to find out. The progressive media will tell you. The economy is still in a coma, revolution is rocking the Middle East — but you can be sure that Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews will take time to snicker at something silly that Palin or Bachmann or Beck said in the last 48 hours.

    Is the constant mockery of these bloviating right-wing demagogues really the best use of precious center-left media time? I think it’s likely to backfire on liberals, for several reasons:

    It makes other far-right Republican conservatives look moderate. Mockery of Palin, Bachmann and Beck may backfire on the left by making conservative and libertarian politicians with equally nutty ideas but more statesmanlike gravitas appear to be more moderate than they really are. Rep. Paul Ryan, the Republican chairman of the House Budget Committee, has ideas about the budget and social policy, like voucherizing Medicare, that are just as crazy as anything spouted by Glenn Beck. But he looks dignified in a suit and speaks the language of policy wonkery, so he gets respectful attention, while liberal pundits pummel right-wing media blowhards and less influential politicians like Rep. Bachmann who, unlike Ryan, do not have their fingers around the levers of government.

    It makes liberals look like snobs. Since the ’60s, conservatives have managed to recruit populist voters by claiming that the intellectual elites look down their noses at them. By theatrically sneering at less-educated politicians and media loudmouths, progressive pundits seem to prove that the left consists only of snobbish members of the college-educated professional class making fun of the errors of people who did not attend prestigious schools.


  15. wicked

    Hey, fnord, would you pass this link on to your better half? I know he was in chorus in school and assume he can get on FB through you. There’s another link, too, that has videos.


  16. indypendent

    Now if John Boehner was talking about his federal job or any of this cronies’ federal jobs beign cut – then I might listen to him

    When are these elected officials (on both sides of the aisle) going to talk about cutting their salaries and health insurance benefits? Or let’s talk about them cutting their staff by 50%.

    If these folks are serious about cutting spending – then let’s see them go after their own paychecks and the paychecks of their cronies.


  17. indypendent

    If Gen Petraeus leaves Afghanistan, is this a way for Obama to get everyone of our soldiers out of that mess at the same time?

    I still remember what Ambassador Holbrooke was quoted as saying that the US needs to get out of Afhganistan now.