Tuesday, 2/1/11, Public Square


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  1. I chuckled at the comment in our local paper, “No one will ever know how much snow we really got.”

    I hope everyone is warm and safe! It’s dangerously cold, please take it slow and heed those who don’t.

    • indypendent

      On the Opinion Line, all this cold weather is being blamed on global cooling. Now wasn’t that clever???

      Of course, the usual suspects are mouthing off as to how they had to walk ___ amount of miles to school during the snow and they never got the day off from school.

      I swear there are people who gripe and moan whenever the schools call off for the bad weather. It’s pointless to try to tell these folks that snow days are built into the school calendar and they just announced USD has 2 1/2 snow days left before they will have to make up any days.

      Geesh, some people just need to get a little knowledge and maybe their lives would be happier. Or maybe these are the folks that just like to be grumpy all the time. I do think there are people who get their jollies that way.

    • Weather events world wide are happening more often than even a short few years ago.

    • indypendent

      I watched televangelist Pat Robertson make a little funny (at least he and his co-host thought he was being ever-so-clever) about the winter weather.

      The East Coast was going to get slammed – again – by massive snowfall amounts.

      Pat talked about the massive snow and then said, with that cute little twinkle in his eye, ‘where is Al Gore when you need him’.

      That just about sums everything up – doesn it?

      P.S. I do force myself to watch a little of Patty from time to time. It’s always good to know what the opposition is spewing for that week. And I can tell what the blog issue and talking points came from when I’ve heard the puppet master send out his marching orders.

      It really is scary.

    • wicked

      I’m grumpy all the time, and I only have one story about walking to school in the snow.

      School was closed once when I was in grade school. My guess is about 1961? There was a foot of snow. I remember talking my mom into taking me to my friend’s house for the day.

      My high school had a policy to never close any of the schools due to inclement weather. Back then they figured those in town could walk to school or get a ride. Small town, so no big deal, really. I always thought it would be great to be snowed in at school. Giant slumber party!!

      My kids attended the same school. One generation later, with more kids living outside city limits and riding the bus, the rules were changed. It’s the same now with another generation. (Holy crap, Batman! I’m old!) School is closed there today.

    • indypendent

      wicked – I was like you when growing up – our school rarely, if ever, closed school due to the weather.

      But I think you’re right about the demographics of in town vs out of town – busing issues, etc. being the factor nowadays.

      I don’t think of you as being grumpy – maybe Doc, Sneezy, Sleepy but never grumpy……(this is just my sense of humor coming out)

      Now when you sit on the Opinion Line 24/7 and criticize everyone and anyone – then maybe you can join that grumpy OL set.

    • wicked, you are not grumpy any of the time, and you’re going to make me grumpy if you say you are! 🙂

      You gave me the greatest laugh at me this morning! I loved it! I am usually directionally challenged and you would think by my age I would have figured it out!

  2. 6176746f6c6c65

    Everyone be safe. It is most unpleasant outside, and as I understand the forecast, the snow is to become heavier as the day progresses. Right now, the streets are OK (at least the main ones), but the wind is blowing the falling snow so hard, it is difficult at times to see very far. Couple that with the (hopefully small) number of folks who are out among us driving with the misapprehension of fact that the laws of Physics were repealed overnight, and it becomes “remarkable”, to quote a former SecDef. I think our office is about to have a partial “Snow Day”.

  3. I think it’s fitting that after two judges deem the Affordable Care Act isn’t constitutional and two judges deem it is, Romney also hold two opposing opinions of the same agenda. Then this piece from USA TODAY says that taking both positions sounds like a presidential candidate?? If they speak out both sides of their mouth before even being nominated, let alone elected, how many of their campaign words should we believe have any credence?? 😉

    “Republican Mitt Romney is sounding like a presidential candidate, criticizing President Obama and refusing to apologize for a health care bill he signed into law as Massachusetts governor.”


    • indypendent

      Maybe double talking is a value in the GOP world

      I was just told by a devout Christian Conservative Republican that the US (specifically Obama) should stand by Egypt President Mubarak because he allows Christians to pray.

      WTF ,……. so we are to continue to defend and send billions of dollars to a known corrupt dictator just because he is nice to Christians? Even though we preach democracy and freedom for all?

      So I asked my friend ‘does God love dictators – as long as they are OUR dictator.’ She got mad.

      Was it something I said?

  4. “I say there is no species of technology that have ever gone globally extinct on this planet.”

    What does that mean? I asked him. (Kevin, among other things, is founding editor of Wired Magazine and runs a very popular blog, called Cool Tools, that reviews new gadgets.)

    That means, he said, “I can’t find any [invention, tool, technology] that has disappeared completely from Earth.”

    Nothing? I asked. Brass helmets? Detachable shirt collars? Chariot wheels?

    Nothing, he said.

    Can’t be, I told him. Tools do hang around, but some must go extinct.

    If only because of the hubris — the absolute nature of the claim — I told him it would take me a half hour to find a tool, an invention that is no longer being made anywhere by anybody.

    Go ahead, he said. Try.


    • wicked

      Men never throw anything away. There’s always that sliver of a chance that it might be needed sometime in the future. Even my dad, who rarely kept much and was the opposite of my mother, the hoarder, kept babyfood jars with screws, nuts, etc. in them. He made a little carousel that hooked under a shelf on which was attached the lids to those jars. Turn the carousel, find what you need, unscrew the jar from it, remove the needed item, and screw the jar back on.

    • indypendent

      Your dad sounds like he invented a great product for an informercial.

      I think you’re right – my dad saved every piece of fishing line, bobbers, spinners, broken fishing rods, screws, nails, glue, wood pieces, rags and anything else that he might just use one day…..

      That is not going to be a fun job when we kids have to go through his work shop when he passes.

      But it does keep him busy…..and out of my mom’s hair in the kitchen.

    • Every workshop I was in, in the ’60s – ’70s had those baby food jar organizers in one form or another. Quite popular.

    • indypendent

      I have not seen anything like that carousel. But I’m from Illinois and my dad kept his baby food jars on multiple shelves on one full wall.

      It does sound like something that would sell today. Of course, we would have to figure out how to make it out of plastic, and outsource the manufacturing to China to even consider bringing it to the American public to buy with money they do not have due to the outsourcing of too many jobs to China.

      What a vicious cycle….

    • My Cub Scouts made one many years ago. I’m almost positive Griffin still has two (we had two sons in the same den) in the garage and they’ve been in use all these many years. 😉

    • The question posed in our last post: Can you name any tool, machine or human invention from any place, any time, any culture that is no longer being made today?

      Of course, said I.

      Of course, said you.

      But now that we’ve collated your responses, it turns out it’s not that easy. Below you will find your nominations for Tools That Died (followed, in many cases, by evidence that they haven’t.)


  5. Will Supreme Court Uphold Health Care?

    A pattern is emerging: Two judges appointed by Democratic presidents have upheld health-care reform, while two judges appointed by Republican presidents struck it down—including a Florida judge on Monday. “Given this divide, wouldn’t it make sense to… let elected officials decide?” asks Jon Chait at The New Republic. “That’s the logic of judicial restraint, anyway, and it’s logic conservatives used to employ about a host of topics.” Still, the issue seems bound for the Supreme Court, where Republican appointees hold a 5-4 advantage. The matter will probably come down to Justice Anthony Kennedy, who sometimes breaks rank with the other Republican appointees, and whose record on the Constitution’s Commerce Clause (which was cited by those judges who annulled the law) is spotty enough to make his position on this issue impossible to guess.


    • One of the comments made to the link above mentioned Jacobson v. Commonwealth of Massachusetts SCOTUS 1905 as being judicial precedent that will make repeal legally impossible.

      Isn’t judicial precedent out of vogue today? I find judges to be as partisan as everyone else and unable to work around that partisanship as well as they may have in the past.

    • indypendent

      I suspect Republicans would tolerate an activist judge or two, as long as they vote the way Republicans want on their pet issues.

      Kinda like my friend and her willingness to defend a dictator – as long as the dictator in on her side.

    • itolduso

      Sorry, in this particular case, I see no judicial activism or political posturing by the judge. He ruled correctly that the mandate was unconstitutional, imho. Whethe or not he ruled correctly that the whole bill was Unconstitutional, I have no idea. I have not yet read the complete ruling.

    • Yes, and this mandatory purchase was one of the many Republican ideas incorporated in the Patient Protection and Affordable Health Care Act.

      It will be interesting if anyone tells thousands of Americans who now have insurance they will be taking it away. Do you think they’ll know who is taking which position on the fact they did have and then can no longer have health insurance?

    • indypendent

      If this recent judge ruled correctly, then why were there two other judges thar ruled the other way? fnord did note that 2 were Republican appointed and 2 were Democrat appointed.

      From what I heard, this recent judge’s ruling did leave the door open to question the constituionality of the entire health care reform bill. As the other cases were simply about the mandate to purchase health insurance issue.

      I really don’t know any details because I figured these people are going to do what they are going to do come hell or high water.

      But like I said yesterday, this is the part of the health care reform bill that Democrats knew would be challenged. But the health insurance companies (who were invited to the talks about reforming health care) were sure glad to see that mandate for guaranteed customers – ie money…

      Seems to me, the health insurance companies would want to keep that mandate.

      So what happens if the Republicans are successful in getting rid of the mandate to purchase health insurance but yet the rest of the health care reform bill goes on as it is?

      Those health insurance companies executives are not going to be happy with their GOPPERS – will they?

    • indypendent

      Actually, should we allow the Supreme Court Justices Scalia and Thomas to even sit on this case when it is known they are known be to be involved in the Koch group and everyone knows that Koch has paid millions into defeating the health care reform bill?

      how is that going to appear fair and impartial?

      I think they should both recuse themselves and then let the rest of the 7 judges decide. That would at least give the appearance of being fair.

    • indypendent

      But……if we made Scalia and Thomas recuse themselves and let the other 7 SCOTUS decide this case – then the Republicans will not like those odds of losing two of their ‘known’ votes.

      And that is where politics and activist judges come into play.

    • The SCOTUS judges decide whether or not to recuse themselves. We have no say in what should or shouldn’t happen. We did have a say in the elections of the presidents who nominated them to their current positions. We voters have a say before and after and that say doesn’t change what happened in between.

    • I feel confident President Obama will have another six years to appoint (and nominate to SCOTUS) federal judges. Although a few may surprise I feel better having him in the position of appointing than I would any member of the GOP.

  6. indypendent

    I had to laugh in the Opinion Line today.

    Someone posted a comment about the mom and pop churches popping up around town just to get the tax free status. This person’s gripe was that making a profit using the name of God and Jesus was wrong.

    Oh, oh…….if making a profit using the name of God and Jesus is wrong – there are going to be alot of people running those big mega churches in trouble.

    And then the king of all profit makers – those televangelists – should just go ahead and invest in some fireproof clothing right now.

    • I long ago quit caring about who makes a profit on what. I care when the law is stretched or broken. I care even more when human beings are hurt in the process. I suppose those who spend their money at the mega churches (or any church for that matter) can justify that spending the same as anyone who spends money at casinos justifies their spending. It’s all expensive entertainment to me!

      I do think we should pay much more careful attention to what entities are exempt from taxation. I think we’ve all discussed this before and found that to be an area we all agree on.

    • indypendent

      I agree with your assessment, fnord.

      I suspect this OL comment was made by someone who runs a big mega church and maybe they have lost a bunch of their followers who wised up to the ways to become tax-free themselves?

      Now that would be karma.

  7. indypendent

    The cartoon in the header could just as easily portray Egypt’s President Mubarak standing in front of the large crowds of protesters and saying the same thing.

    One of the main grievances of the protesters is the high unemployment rate.

    I guess that message could be seen as universal – huh?

    • I found the little comment in the lower right-hand corner particularly telling.

      Uh huh. This is what it looks like when supply side economics wins.

    • indypendent

      The only people that love that trickle-down economics are the ones on top.

      And that has been proven time and time again.

      But yet we still seen St. Ronnie golden statues being bowed to and worshiped every single day.

  8. indypendent

    We would not even have to talk about repealing the health care reform if the health insurance companies had treated people fair and offered insurance to everyone in the first place.

    Health care reform has been a political football issue for years and years.

    Republicans have campaigned on health care reform but they never did anything about it. And I wonder why? perhaps because the status quo health care system was making billions in profits?

    So now that a Democrat president and the Democrat controlled Congress passed health care reform – NOW it is an issue for Republicans???

    Republicans are going to overplay their hand in this . They think they got a mandate in 2010 election – I don’t think so. The 2010 election was about the high unemployment rate and the economy – not about health care reform. The health care reform repeal demand is driven by the Republican base. And that base is not enough to save the Republicans in 2012.

    • indypendent

      As a side note – George W. Bush did think enough about health care reform to push through the Medicare Drug Act. This is a great program but it was an unfunded government program and sent the federal spending sky high.

      BTW – the same Tea party Republicans demanding Obamacare to be repealed have not said one word about repealing GW Bush’s Medicare Drug Act – I wonder why?

      Perhaps too many of those 3-corner hats with tea bags stapled to them are on the receiving end of the Medicare Drug program. Are we seeing the tired old mantra of ‘all for me and none for thee’ from this particular group?


      That’s all there is to it. Did you see any Tea Party organizations when bush the lesser was spending his way through the money left him by Clinton? I will never have any respect for the Tea Party as long as they act as an extension (and the kooky extension at that!) to the GOP!

    • indypendent

      To be fair and balanced (wink-wink), I do agree with the Tea Party’s goal of less federal spending. Because I do think we are spending money that we do not have on things that we do not need.

      But then there’s the rub – who gets to decided what is needed?

      The original tea party got hijacked by political players (and we all know who they were) and somehow it turned into a 3-ring circus with way too many clowns showboating.

  9. Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA) introduced Senate bill (S.B. 163 – “The Full Faith and Credit Act”, [aka, “The Pay China First Act”]:

    In the event that the debt of the United States Government, as defined in section 3101 of title 31, United States Code, reaches the statutory limit, the authority of the Department of the Treasury provided in section 3123 of title 31, United States Code, to pay with legal tender the principal and interest on debt held by the public shall take priority over all other obligations incurred by the Government of the United States.

    If passed, Toomey’s plan would require the government to cut large checks to foreign countries, and major financial institutions, before paying off its obligations to Social Security beneficiaries and other citizens owed money by the Treasury — that is, if the U.S. hits its debt ceiling.


    • indypendent

      Is the first step to eliminating Social Security?

      But these fine morally superior Republicans will make sure they return all of our money that was taken from our paychecks over the many years of hard work – won’t they?

      If they want to eliminate Social Security for me – that’s fine. Just give me back each penny I contributed and I can go it alone.

      But isn’t it ironic that financial instituitions are ahead of the citizens.

      Hmmmmm…….. where have I seen that happen before…….

    • indypendent

      With regard to the debt ceiling – I heard where John Boehner stated that the US would never default on their obligations.

      So is Toomey’s proposal a part of Boehner’s plan or is Toomey flying solo on this?

      Only time will tell….

      But I wonder how popular the Republicans are going to be when Social Security beneficiaries realize they come after China and also after the major financial institutions?

      Somehow I don’t think that is going to play well in the real world.

    • If I was a politician and the majority of my supporters were older people, it would cause me to think about them and their situations. These idiots may not have the ability to think.

  10. indypendent

    I just heard breaking news on MSNBC that Egypt President Mubarak is going to speak tonight to offer a resolution.

    Perhaps the behind-the-scenes deal making is finished. I wonder how much this going to cost us?

  11. indypendent

    I think fnord had brought this issue to our attention a few days ago. Republicans want to redefine rape. And these are the folks that profess such family values?


    • wicked

      The problem with redefining rape for the abortion issue means that the redefinition will then be expected as acceptable to all rape.

      Chattel or not, these Republican men would be the first ones crying for the death penatly if their sisters, mothers, daughters, etc. were raped. Why? Not because they cherish their chattel, but because someone dared enroached upon their ownership.

    • indypendent

      Sadly, I have to agree. Think about ‘To Kill a Mockingbird’ and that pretty much sums up what you said.

    • When you read of the GOP shenanigans don’t you wonder how any woman able to think for herself could self identify with this bunch? Have they dominated their women so long they’re all afraid, is this like the abused woman syndrome?

    • indypendent

      I know I will probably be pounced on for this by someone peeking over the fence, but I think Republicans treat women like they do because it is an unwritten rule by the so-called Christian males.

      You know – that old idea that the man is the master of his house and a dutiful wife will serve her master.

    • The only redeeming thing I find is the GOP has way more than their fair share of these clowns and they’re on public display often. Keep the cameras on them and the mics at their mouths, they do themselves in.

    • indypendent


      Maybe Fox News should buy the rights to Brittany Spears’ song ‘Oops, I did it again’ and just use it as their theme?

  12. indypendent

    Here is another link as to Egypt’s President Mubarak and his anticipated speech later today. Seems Obama sent him a message and maybe the guy is going to heed the advice.

    Time will tell…


  13. The Egyptian revolution, as told by Fox News:

    The Arab world is not ready for democracy, UNLESS it’s forced through an invasion by George W. Bush. The peaceful protesters are a gathering of communist jihadists – ALL 2 million of them. And there’s NO role for religiously identified political actors – unless they’re Christian conservatives with a show on Fox.

    • indypendent

      Glenn Beck has already got 400 rabbis after him for his misuse of Soros’ Jewish history.

      maybe Glenn is trying to get all the moderate Arabs mad at him too?

      After all, aren’t are Muslims terrorists – or I think I heard that somewhere…….now where would that have been?

    • indypendent

      You know the sad part – these folks who profess to be the American Revolugtionists do not even recognize a peaceful Egypt revolution when they see it.

      I wonder if these folks would prefer it if the Egyptian protesters all carried guns and/or signs stating it is time to water the Tree of Liberty?

      Is that the problem here? These Egyptian protesters have taken the peaceful revolution route instead of the little cowboy way of riding in on a horse and start shooting?

  14. indypendent

    Well, look here, two Republicans introducing a bill for states to opt out of the health care reform bill – which, btw, the health care reform bill already has a provisision for states to opt out.

    But this new bill does not require any minimum standards for states choosing to opt out of the federal health care reform bill.

    So when these two Republicans say this new bill is a way to repeal and replace Obamacare – isn’t it just really a way to repeal it?


    • I guess we can be thankful they’re introducing a bill (the first step in making a law) instead of simply ignoring the current law. Otherwise we would need to be asking these kinds of questions: What do you call not complying with a federal law? Is a law only a law until someone decides it isn’t?

      They’ve said from the git go they would try to chip away, defund… So it has begun.

      And, they’re the same people who bitched about the year plus the democrats spent on the health care bill while the economy and jobs should have been the highest priority.

      Do you think any voters will notice they’re now doing what they were bitching about? Not the tea partiers! IOKIYAR

  15. indypendent

    Is Syria next on the wave of average people being fed up with the corrupted powerful and are showing their willingness to call the rich and powerful out?


  16. indypendent

    As I was listening to a radio show that plays the old 40’s and 50’s music, the radio station also broadcasts Christian preaching shows and/or church services.

    There was a Christian preacher talking about some health insurance coverage available called MediShare (?). He then went on to say that this health insurance coverage has been granted the opt-out status from the federal health care reform bill and that all Christians should look into joining this group if they did not want to let the federal government dictate to them about their health care.

    I have not heard of this group – has anyone here heard of it or maybe heard some other Christian preacher promote it?

    My question is – if Christians have found a way to opt out of the health care reform bill they profess to hate so much – then why all the showboating about repealing Obamacare?

    A lot of noise about nothing?

    • According to the link you posted upthread there was an opt-out put in the ACA. However it doesn’t take effect yet (2017, IIRC) and requires that replacement coverage meet certain standards. As the federal law now stands, before any changes, it sounds like opting out is a provision of the future. I haven’t read anything that allows any entities (people, states, businesses…) to opt out at this time.

      Is the ‘religious’ community stirring things up? Do they have accurate information to base their announcements on? This wouldn’t be the first time misinformation was spread from a pulpit.

    • indypendent

      What does the Bible say about seek and ye shall find….

      I found the website link to the Medi Share Christian health care group. It sounds like it is too good to be true. Imagine $109 a month for health care – what a deal.

      So if this works for Christians then why don’t the Republicans offer this type of health care coverage for all Americans?

      If the Republicans are serious about repealing and replacing health care reform – then $109 a month sounds pretty good to me. What are they waiting for?

      I suspect there is a catch somewhere but one has to sign up to for more information and I really don’t want to put my name on their mailing list.

      And that opt-out provision in the health care reform bill kicks in 2017 (I believe?). That is quite a long time away. But all the more reason if Republicans can repeal and replace with something equal to or better, then let’s hear their ideas.


    • indypendent

      I took another look at this website for Medi Share and I noticed there are only 36,000 Christians in this group.

      There is a qualification process and the basic health questions they ask are 1) stroke 2) HIV 3) diabetes type 1 4)organ transplant 5) are you pregnant.

      So, let’s see they only want people who are healthy?

      Let me tell you about diabetes type 1 – it is no more costly than a person with diabetes type 2. My son takes his blood sugar numbers and does his insulin just like anyone with diabetes type 2 would do on a daily basis.

      So why is diabetes type 1 so evil?

      Now the question about HIV brings up a question in my mind……are they trying to discriminate against a certain population?

      For being such a godly group that professes to want to handle medical bills the way the Early Church did – then why are there any qualifications at all?

      I don’t recall Jesus asking the people if they had a stroke, HIV, diabetic or if they were pregnant before He healed them. Jesus just healed them and then did not even ask for payment!

    • I’d bet there is much hidden! Someone will make a bunch of money off this sham, and they’ll use God’s name to make that money!

    • itolduso

      Why are so many groups that support the President and “Obamacare” asking for exemptions to “Obamacare” ? And if it is good for everyone, why is the administration granting them?

      Good for thee, not for me?

    • Where are the links showing exemptions being given NOW. We’ve discussed that the opt-out is part of the bill and begins in the future under certain circumstances.

    • itolduso,

      I would be very interested in reading about what you say is happening.

    • I’ll help you get started and wait for your ‘facts.’

      Lots of untruths have been spread about the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. It fails in many ways and doesn’t go nearly far enough but without credible proof this group of bloggers sees through made up shit.


  17. Would you describe this as compassion and tolerant loving kindness?


    Jewish prayers for Egypt’s uprising

    Many Jews from around the world support Egyptian self-determination because of Judaism’s own historic past with Egypt.

    Ever since the victory over the dictator of Tunisia and the subsequent uprising in Egypt, my email has been flooded with messages from Jews around the world hoping and praying for the victory of the Egyptian people over their cruel Mubarak regime.


    • indypendent

      I do understand Israel’s concern about Egypt’s future government. Egypt has been an ally to Israel in the midst of so many Arab countries.

      So isn’t this all the more reason to get the Egyptian president out of there after 30 years and the people protesting are talking about high unemployment and the lack of representation in their government?

      I mean, let’s face it, 30 years is a long time for one person to be in power.

      I just don’t get it – these dictators act so shocked when their people rise up against them over issues like unemployment and no say in how their lives are going to be.

      If the dictators would just treat their people fair – then there would be no revolution – would there?

      there must be something very blinding about corruption, absolute power and having all the money. We have seen this same thing happen again and again throughout history.

      When will human beings learn?

    • I think most people are very busy providing for their families — love, support, food, housing, etc. — and we want someone else to take care of ‘other’ things. We only know what we’re taught for the most part. Oh sure, when someone mentions something new that interests us we go looking, but usually families do what we must do and when we’re not working or nurturing our family we relax and try to find laughter — world wide we’re not different in this respect.

    • Those who have lived under dictatorships know that way of life and I would suspect they make the best life possible under the conditions. Different is often scary. Sometimes that fear is engineered or at least kept alive by the very people who need us to remain afraid. Look at the many ways fear can keep us stupid so we go along.

    • indypendent

      perhaps you’re right. But one promising factor in the Egyptian protesters is that most of them are younger and they want more out of life than what they have been receiving.

      But in all seriousness, do you think the Tunisia or the Egyptian protesters would have had so much resolve and muscle to flex if it was not for Facebook and Twitter?

      I also think that Wikileaks has had a role in this – alot of those released cables spilled alot of secrets – didn’t they?

    • Once us Boomers are gone America will be a much younger country! Do most Boomers identify with the GOP? I’m not sure, but it seems most of the Tea Partiers are old farts so I wouldn’t doubt most of the GOP is also older folks.

      You make great points about Facebook, Twitter, all social media! Yes, it does shrink our world and make everyone closer!

  18. Another ‘weather event.’ They happen so often nowadays they hardly are ‘news.’


    ‘Don’t bother to pack bags’: Bligh urges residents to get out

    Cyclone Yasi is expected to cross the north Queensland coast between Cairns and Cardwell at 10pm, coinciding with the high tide.

    Queensland Premier Anna Bligh said the timing meant a very dangerous storm surge could be expected in low lying areas across a large stretch of the north Queensland coast.

    “I cannot say in strong enough terms, you have to take this window of opportunity” to evacuate, Ms Bligh told people in low lying areas at risk of the surge.


  19. Didn’t Rome burn while Nero fiddled? OK, we get it! You don’t like the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act! And you’ll waste time and resources in your attempt to repeal it. Do your constituents have no higher expectations of you?


    Bill would require all S.D. citizens to buy a gun

    Five South Dakota lawmakers have introduced legislation that would require any adult 21 or older to buy a firearm “sufficient to provide for their ordinary self-defense.”

    The bill, which would take effect Jan. 1, 2012, would give people six months to acquire a firearm after turning 21. The provision does not apply to people who are barred from owning a firearm.

    Nor does the measure specify what type of firearm. Instead, residents would pick one “suitable to their temperament, physical capacity, and preference.”

    The measure is known as an act “to provide for an individual mandate to adult citizens to provide for the self defense of themselves and others.”

    Rep. Hal Wick, R-Sioux Falls, is sponsoring the bill and knows it will be killed. But he said he is introducing it to prove a point that the federal health care reform mandate passed last year is unconstitutional.

    “Do I or the other cosponsors believe that the State of South Dakota can require citizens to buy firearms? Of course not. But at the same time, we do not believe the federal government can order every citizen to buy health insurance,” he said.


    • indypendent

      I saw this article also. Wow – I guess these elected officials have nothing better to do than this. It must be nice to live in a state where there are no pressing problems to address.

  20. itolduso

    Where are the links showing exemptions being given NOW. We’ve discussed that the opt-out is part of the bill and begins in the future under certain circumstances.


    Here’s the link to a list


    Here’s on earticle


    I can find more later. Work calls

    • Did you read your links? They say what the FactCheck link I provided says and don’t prove your point at all. Maybe after you complete that work that calls you’ll read the ones you provided and those ‘more’ you plan to post.

  21. itolduso

    Oh dear, I am so wrong. As always. I just follow “made up shit” Thanks for reminding me

    • I really thought you wanted to prove your assertion, and you brought links that proved the opposite. I also thought you were part of this group of bloggers who sees through made up shit and expects credible proof.