Those who listened to the State of the Union speeches (and those who didn’t) probably know that both sides promised that going forward would be different. That’s correct! The GOP remembers President Obama’s first two years in office, but he’s not going to do that anymore. Everyone remembers bushco and the six full years the GOP controlled the presidency and both chambers of Congress, but they’re not going to do that anymore. We all know discretionary spending freezes and / or cuts won’t be enough. From there we are in the same boat — different ideas for what will fix the problems and how we tackle the challenges.
The biggest difference I see are those who say they’re Republican leaders. The GOP I’m familiar with doesn’t put Palin, Bachmann, Beck, et al, in the role of spokespersons. What are the differences you see?
PrairiePopulistsAndProgressives.net 
You know it’s gonna be a bad day when you open up the front door and standing outside in the cold winter air are 16500 gay atheist IRS agents, hell bent on taking away your guns and imposing socialist sharia laws upon you.
Michelle B. I know you warned us and we didn’t take you seriously. My most humble apologies.
Reformed commie liberal
Wonder if even one congress critter remembers the tax cuts that were extended about a month ago?
We know for sure that both Paul Ryan and Michele Bachmann who gave responses to the presidents speech were part of the whole bushco fiasco, plus they voted to extend all tax cuts!
But they’re not gonna do that anymore. Nope! Suddenly they’re truly fiscally conservative. Spending is at an end too!
Here’s another difference I see: the ability to remember the past isn’t developed in the GOP, neither is holding a member of their party accountable.
http://www.ianfraser.org/black-our-banks-and-financial-institutions-are-being-run-by-sociopaths/
stupid liberals this is why big bizness is not hiring. constant meddling with regulations stifling innovation of the creative rich people. After all the rich create all the jobs and pay all the taxes.
My son is one of the authors of this paper —
It has long been a given that adult humans — and mammals in general — lack the capacity to grow new nephrons, the kidney’s delicate blood filtering tubules, which has meant that dialysis, and ultimately kidney transplantation, is the only option for the more than 450,000 Americans who have kidney failure.
But a new study by Harvard Stem Cell Institute researchers and collaborators at the University of Pittsburgh may turn that paradigm on its head, and someday lead to a new treatment for those suffering from kidney disease.
The study, published online this week (Jan. 26) in the journal Nature, “provides a proof of principle that adult kidney stem cells exist in nature and that treating renal disease with a stem cell-type therapy is theoretically possible.”
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2011/01/adult-kidney-stem-cells-found-in-fish/
Way to go!!!!!
One more thing stem cells may change in the future. And this could be happening now, if not for 8 years of Dubya stagnation.
Don’t be surprised if more and more stem-cell research goes out of our country. The Republicans are trying hard to make these scientists criminals.
Ya know, throwing away the blastocyst at the fertility clinic doesn’t destroy it and all that nonsense they’re able to convince themselves of in their protection of the unborn! (eye roll)
I don’t know who this guy is, but he seems to have some understanding of being poor!
“The trouble with being poor is that it takes up all of your time.” — Willem de Kooning
Has anyone accidentally or otherwise stepped into the mire labeled WEBlog lately? I thought it was bad before, but now that the OL crowd has found its way there, it truly is a pile of (fill in the word). The majority only make themselves, this city, the state and the country as a whole appeared even dumber than rocks.
I didn’t correct him, but AW used the word ‘angerly.’ Not sure I’m familiar with that one.
I haven’t. I’ve been busier than usual and needed to pick and choose my leisure and online destinations. That’s one place that would be last on my list of places I want to visit!
wicked
January 27, 2011 at 8:58 am
What I find most interesting about conservative commentary,
1. For contract loving gun toting 3 corner hat wearing tea party types, they sure do give up easy. People have paid in extra for 30 years to SS per agreements made by Saint Reagan and Lord Greenspan. Now some wingnut says the money is not there. BS, so all someone has to say is you can’t have it. It’s a good thing we are not all sissy conservatives. If we were we would all be serving the english crown……
Excellent point, frago. 😉
http://www.leftycartoons.com/the-24-types-of-libertarian/
Thanks, frago! Now, everyone read this cartoon frago shared and everyone will know all the answers! Not that you haven’t already heard each and every one before.
I didn’t watch the SOTU or the responses, except for the first couple of minutes of Bachman’s online a few minutes ago. She appeared to be cross-eyed, but that suits her inability to think rationally.
Why didn’t I watch it? Because no matter what Obama says, no matter what the Republican response and even the TeaBagger response, very little is going to change. It took 8 years to get to where we are now, it’ll take at least 16 (with decent leadership) to get back to some kind of break even economy. As a single female for the past ten years, I haven’t had the chance to enjoy an economy in which I could live even slightly comfortably. I’m not whining, just stating facts. .
One more thing stem cells may change in the future. And this could be happening now, if not for 8 years of Dubya stagnation
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Okay, one minor point. The study was done with adult stem cells in zebra fish. None of which was delayed, or prohibited, under the Bush Administration. Throw rocks where you may, but the two topics (the study quoted and the Bush administration ban on federally funded embryonic stem cell research) are not related.
I stand corrected. Thank you.
Science was never exactly encouraged during the 8 years of GWB.
Bush was too busy being that Compassionate Christian Conservative. But yet isn’t it ironic that throughout the total control from 2000 to 2006, Republicans never tried to overturn Roe v Wade.
Why was that? and a bigger question is Why don’t the pro-life Republicans ever ask that same question?
Just another Texan with a big hat and no cattle.
Scientists were ignored, threatened, suppressed, and censored under bushco.
But then uneducated is a prerequisite for believing in the GOP platforms.
The study was done with adult stem cells in zebra fish. None of which was delayed, or prohibited, under the Bush …..
Link please
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2011/01/adult-kidney-stem-cells-found-in-fish/
Let’s just make a list what Compassionate Christian Conservatism brought to our country – shall we?
1) Gitmo
2) Two wars ‘off budget’
3) Unfunded No Child Left Behind Act
4) Unfunded Medicare Drug Program
5) Numerous executive orders of which are still in effect today (yeah, that’s right – Obama has those same powers).
6) Economy crashed
7) The BUSH bail outs for ‘certain’ Wall Street buddies.
Oh, but didn’t GWB sound so presidential when he vowed to capture Bin laden on the pile of rubble after 9/11?
Oh wait a minute – there is another thing for our list – NO CAPTURE of Bin laden in 6+ years. In fact, GWB even stated that he did not even think about Bin laden anymore. What a slap in America’s face.
Compassionate Christian Conservatism – in the words of Sarah Palin – Thanks, but no thanks!
B
5) Numerous executive orders of which are still in effect today (yeah, that’s right – Obama has those same powers).
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The candidate Obama told us he was going to go through every Executive Order and make sure bushco hadn’t taken on ‘powers’ they shouldn’t have. If it was done, and I highly doubt it was, Obama must have decided he liked all that power too.
Exactly – it is always harder to get those extended powers back into that pandora’s box once they’ve been let loose – huh?
I have no idea if this is true but…. checkout the news coming from the middle east lots of protests directed towards their respective governments. The MSM reason, wikileaks release of diplomatic cables. If this is true, rock on people of the middle east take control of YOUR future.
The old saying – the truth shall set you free – may be in play?
I posted this purely for a laugh today. Maybe the GOP should have run Meghan McCain instead of her father?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/27/meghan-mccain-michele-bachmann_n_814708.html
I think she managed to insult Palin and Bachmann in one fell swoop. Sarah isn’t gonna like that!
Except for talking much too fast, Meghan McCain is a voice to be heard. I wouldn’t be surprised to see her enter politics in the future. Not too soon. I think she’ll wait until her dad is six feet under.
I agree, wicked.
If Science was not encouraged during the GWB years – then history must be really taking a beating with the current crop of Tea Party Republicans.
After all, the Tea Party people are supporting Michele Bachmann and her version of those founding fathers working tirelessly to extinguish slavery in our country.
think about this – the Civil War was what abolished slavery. And if the founding fathers were around there working at that time – they were mighty old men – weren’t they?
Then comes the obvious – if the founding fathers were working tirelessly to extinguish slavery – why didn’t they just yell out their back door and tell their own slaves they were freed?
Sad to say – there are people who are listening to these Tea Party Republicans and believing each and every idiotic thing they spout.
That’s the part of these stupid GOP / Tea Party women I find most troublesome — there are people who think Palin or Bachmann represent them. Unless you are admitting to being stupid how can stupidity represent you?
Sad to say – there are people who are listening to these Tea Party Republicans and believing each and every idiotic thing they spout
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Corollary: Sad to say – there are people who are listening to President Obama and believing each and every idiotic thing he spouts.
Point being, whether or not it is Obama, or Bachmann, or Palin, or any other damn polititican, their backers may back them, but that doesn’t mean they believe each and every thing they spout.
itolduso – when Obama starts spouting that the founding fathers worked tirelessly to extinguish slavery – then you may have a point.
Until then – if you’re a smart person, you will do your own research and not swallow any political side.
But when it is obvious Bachmann does not know history – then why would anyone NOT question anything else this woman has to say?
but that doesn’t mean they believe each and every thing they
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Then why are these Tea Party Republicans defending Bachmann in her version of the founding fathers and slavery?
If any one from the Tea Party would have stepped up to the plate and called her out on this – then they might get some respect from others.
But when they defend her – or worse – sit back and not say anything – then THEY are a part of the problem.
But let’s let the voters decide – shall we?
Protesters in Yemen. What I found interesting in this is one little paragraph – the only thing this place has going for it is – oil. And that is thought to be running dry.
Hmmmm……middle east and oil…….why does that combination make me feel nervous?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/27/yemen-protests-draw-thous_n_814761.html
indy,
really cool blog person check out the oil drum. The knowledge will set you free….
http://www.theoildrum.com/
And take a good look at how much foreign aid we taxpayers are spending in this country.
Wow – I thought we taxpayers were broke?
Yemen – wasn’t that where some of those suspicious packages have been sent from and one day a couple of airports were closed?
yeah, corruption abounds there but let’s keep sending them all that foreign aid.
Thanks for the link.
Oil supply mainly from Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Hmmmmm…
but didn’t China and Russia get the rights to the Iraqi oil?
I remember GWB tellling us that the Iraqi oil would pay for the war (which that never happened) but even after GWB spent how many US dollars on that Iraq War and all we got was a t-shirt that said ‘sucker’?
Aren’t we proud of our Kansas Senator who was a nominee…
Here is yet another panel report that will go by the wayside due to politics. Is it is any wonder no Republicans signed off on the panel’s report?
Of course, they had to give their own report with a big fat CYA in there.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41293140/ns/business-us_business/
What took them so long? Even here on our tiny blog most of us figured that out long ago.
frago is off to irritate the man. Have a nice day fellow travelers.
Quite an interesting article on Michele Bachmann. Interesting also is the section about fact-checking Ms Bachmann. Seems she has been fact checked 13 times and 6 were false but the remaining 7 were ridiculously false. She has never risen above a rating of false.
Even a broken clock is right two times a day – isn’t it?
And then we are supposed to think people who suport her are not really believing everything spouts?
Give me a break…
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/01/21/michele-bachmann-iowa-misstatements/
From Polticfact
Obama truth meter according to Politfact
True 72
Mostly True59
Half True 64
Barely True 36
False 43
Pants on Fire 3
As for Bachmann, I really don;t care about her own way or the other. she is not my representive, I have no say in what she says or does, and i am not a Tea Party person. She doesn;t represent me in any way or fashion.
However, President Obama is my President. He represents me, whether or not I agree with how he is doing so. Apparently, he has some work to do on the truth factor as well.
My original comment – that must have hit the nail – was why would anyone believe every idiotic thing a person says who just spouted an obviously incorrect historical facts
Excuse me – but where did I state that Obama always told the truth?
Excuse me – but I did say smart people do their own research before believing ANY political party. ANY infers ‘all’ parties.
But just the fact that the nail is yelling speaks volumes.
And you and the rest of us should be concerned when any elected official (whether they represent our district or not) shows an obvious ignorance or just plan rewritten version of history.
While we are talking Bachmann’s obvious lack of history knowledge about slavery, we have not even touched the issue of when she stated that when people came to America they were all treated the same.
What????
Did Bachmann miss the part where only white landowners had the right to vote?
Did Bachmann miss the part where slaves were counted as 3/5 a person but women were not even worthy of that much?
Slaves were property but I guess they were worth more than women at that time.
Maybe that was something else those founding fathers were also working on tirelessly?
where are those founding fathers today when we need them? Women still do not get equal pay – and guess which political party fights that the most?
Until then – if you’re a smart person, you will do your own research and not swallow any political side.
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That is exactly what I do. But thanks for the advice.
I think Chris Matthews of Hardball MSNBC may have hit the nail on the head when he said that Bachmann and the Tea Party supporters appear to be white washing the Founding Fathers in an effort to make them infallible.
I suspect in that way, the Tea Party would then become the only party which is the ‘real’ American group.
I agree with Matthews – let’s not white wash the Founding Fathers and treat them historically just as they were – human beings with flaws who did have the greatest desire to form a country that guarantees freedom.
But let’s not white wash the truth when those same human beings – being infallible – allowed slavery to continue. And let’s acknowledge the reason slavery was continued – for economic reasons.
The Constitution is a living document – why would Tea Party people want to keep it in their pocket like some sort of shrine and not adere to it’s true intention to make America a truly free country?
Times change and if we are going to remain free – we need to change the way we do things.
I agree with Matthews – let’s not white wash the Founding Fathers and treat them historically just as they were – human beings with flaws who did have the greatest desire to form a country that guarantees freedom.
But let’s not white wash the truth when those same human beings – being infallible – allowed slavery to continue. And let’s acknowledge the reason slavery was continued – for economic reasons.
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agreed
For equal time, sorry I left it off earlier
Bachmann’s statements by ruling
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True 0
Mostly True 0
Half True 1
Barely True 2
False 7
Pants on Fire 6
So maybe, though it always depends on which statements you decide to investigate, Bachman does poorer research, makes more stupid statements, or just plain makes shchitt up far more than the President. Score one for the President. Thank God, since he does represent me, and Bachmann does not
Does poorer research? In what historically correct research would Bachmann get the fact that the founding fathers worked tirelessly to extinguish slavery from our country?’
I think we would all disagree with Minnesota’s 6th congressional district voters. Scary that enough people live in that district who voted for her to get her elected. She didn’t just now become outrageous so there is little excuse for those voters who’ve elected her to be the U.S. Rep twice. Maybe she ran unopposed.
what is scarier is that are people outside of Minnesota who continue to support this woman.
maybe now we know why these Tea party Republicans are all so hyped up to change the history books.
That’s going to be one really big white wash job – white paint prices will go sky-high!
I think we would all disagree with Minnesota’s 6th congressional district voters
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I know I would
I wish I could be a Tea Party supporter. Life would be so much easier if I just changed the facts whenever the facts did not make me appear correct.
All Michele Bachmann had to do was to come out and state that she misspoke about the fonding fathers history
But that would require a TPer to admit they were wrong – adn when has that ever happened?
These folks are the black and white people – and I do mean Black and White. Black being evil adn White being good.
Does poorer research? In what historically correct research would Bachmann get the fact that the founding fathers worked tirelessly to extinguish slavery from our country?’
Just playing along…..In what historically correct research would President Obama get the fact that Social Security, when enacted, only covered widows and orphans?
The plain fact of the matter is, these people depend on others to do their research, they are like the nightly news people, they just read what is given them. Some of them do a better job selecting their research people. I think Bachmann is a news created entitity. They have a mutual love/hate relationship. They deserve each other. Bachman needs to do a better job of fact checking her info, and apologize if she is wrong.
Bachmann put herself in the media spotlight – much like palin continues to do.
As for the media love/hate relationship – doesn’t the media always cover the circus when it comes to town?
As for Obama’s statement about Social Security – one of the original goals for the SS was for widows and orphans – or do you not agree?
But then again, Obama did talk about his father’s military service. But anyone who has ever known grandchildren who were raised by their grandparents often refer to them as parents, which is probably why Obama said father when he was obviously talking about his grandfather.
But let’s just raise a big stink anyway….
Now we’ll see how much influence the Tea Party really has in getting those budget cuts.
BTW – notice which political party is going to fight to keep those water tanks that have cost us how many tax dollars so far? I remember we were blogging about this very defense contract a few weeks back. Sec. of Defense Gates canceled this program but it seems to still be an issue on the tabel? Why?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/us/politics/27pentagon.html?_r=1
One reason. Jobs.
Another reason: Famously discredited words “You have to go to war with what you have, not what you would like to have”
In other words, constant updating is necessary.
Biggest reason…JOBS
But just the fact that the nail is yelling speaks volumes
HAHAHAHA. Nobody is yelling. The “nail” is just applying your logic to the President. He lies, and he gets things wrong, why should anyone listen to him?
I make no bones that I disagree with the President a good portion of the time. I have also given him the benefit of the doubt in some things, and kudos for others. Give someone else the Kool-Aid, I’m not thirsty
As for Obama’s statement about Social Security – one of the original goals for the SS was for widows and orphans – or do you not agree?
Not his statement. His statement was that it ONLY co vered widows and orphans. He was wrong.
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But then again, Obama did talk about his father’s military service. But anyone who has ever known grandchildren who were raised by their grandparents often refer to them as parents, which is probably why Obama said father when he was obviously talking about his grandfather
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Nice strawman, since the only one here talking about that here today, is you
I guess I just don’t get it. I guess the Tea Party people do not care if they are seen as being represented by someone who obviously does not know their American history.
Why would any group want to be labeled as a group that puts uninformed people into being their spokesman?
That just makes them look stupid also – and stupidity just does not make it when it comes to the general election.
Agreed.
Oh, oh – hang on to your hats. With news like this, God only knows what will happen.
But it must be pointed out – that although Muslim growth is expected to rise – the Christians will still be the majority.
But, hey, that fact will not bring in all those millions off the gullible television religious followers – will it? We gotta keep those dollars flowing……..
Expect to hear more about sharia law and perhaps the need to go to war with Iran. That always seems to be on the back burner for some idealogue-minded people.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/27/worlds-muslim-population-_n_814866.html#s231069&title=Indonesia_
Here’s quite a few billions that Republicans can cut from the budget – if they are really serious about cutting our spending, that is.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/27/sigar-afghan-aid-security-waste_n_814733.html
Whoa…….John Boehner actually said he made a mistake. But read this very carefully – he said he was wrong when he said the Medicare retirement age needs to be raised.
but, but the Republicans budget cuts are going to have to come from Medicare and Social Security if they are serious about getting our fiscal house in order.
Unlesss they want to cut the military defense budget and we all know that Republicans prefer to put their wars ‘off budget’ than to make needed cuts.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/27/john-boehner-to-kathleen-_n_814662.html
This is bizarre news story but then on the other hand, a rather sad story. It’s sad because if what this woman did was to get money to survive, then what other stories are going to be coming to light if draconian budget cuts come only out of Social Security or Medicare?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/41293345?from=en-us_msnhp>1=43001#41293345
I see that Sarah Palin entirely missed the ‘Sputnik moment’ in Obama’s SOTU address.
When Obama was talking about this being our Sputnik moment, I took it to mean that we as Americans were taken back and off guard when Russia launched Sputnik. And realizing our ‘sputnik moment’ now is to make sure that we do what is necessary for our country to never be caught off guard again by any other country.
Obviously, Palin missed that part of the speech where Obama called for our fiscal house to be in order?
Or maybe – like so many times before – Palin simply missed the message because it flew over her head?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/27/palin-responds-to-obamas-sotu-wtf_n_814674.html
BTW – Did I miss the part of the SOTU address when Obama proposed that America launch a new rocket into space?
Oh, maybe that will be in the new and improved ‘revised’ version of history books that the Tea Party Republicans plan to introduce to all the school children once ‘they’ are in charge.
Yes, let’s cut my healthcare, starting with Obamacare and ending with Medicare. Let’s cut public radio, which gets the majority of its money from grants and sponsors, not from the gov’t. This was tried back when Dubya was president, and it failed. Let’s cut education, because if you listen to Sarah and her friend Michelle, it’s obvious that we’ve already failed to educate in the past, so why bother now and in the future?
Meghan McCain was spot on in her assessment.
I’m trying to figure out what it is about public radio that the conservatives hate so much. Is it the word “public?” Is it that there’s no Rush Limbaugh to denigrate women on a constant basis? Is it that it doesn’t lean far enough right and tries to stay in the middle? Is it because it offers a variety of things, no just “talk radio?” I really would like to know. Any idea who to write and ask?
Found the answer to my question.
http://www.npr.org/about/aboutnpr/history.html
And here’s how it’s funded.
http://www.npr.org/about/aboutnpr/publicradiofinances.html
Cutting state and federal funding will not end public radio. It would more than likely cause some cut in programming, which is what I understood from the brouhaha a few years ago. It’s possible that some orgs might step up and close the gap if that were to happen.
So just how do the conservatives think they’ll stop public radio?
So just how do the conservatives think they’ll stop public radio?
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I can only speak for those I know personally that believe the funding should stop. THey are not trying to stop public radio. They believe, rightly or wrongly,
1) that NPR and it’s asssociates are tilted to the left, and therefore, should not be funded by Federal funds as it denigrates other opinions.
2) That today, with the thousands of media outlets out there today, there is no reason to fund any media
3) some combination of the above.
In other words, they are quite aware of the small portion of the NPR budget that comes from the federal government, and are not trying to shut down public radio, but believe that, especially in times of financial austerity, there is no need to fund it with tax dollars. It can do fine on it’s own, and if it cannot, then it needs to go.
Does Rupert Murdock or any of his media companies receive subsidies or special tax breaks from the government?
If so, then are the same folks who want NPR funds cut off willing to tell Murdock he can no longer receive his goodies from the same ‘evil’ government?
I suspect you know some deluded people. But, please, continue to believe them.
The problem the Right has with NPR is that it doesn’t lean their direction, although I doubt any of them have ever listened to any of the programming. Have them read the history of public radio, because without it, they might not have the chance to listen to the programming they want to hear.
The 15th delay was granted for the release of the public records from a certain little lady in Alaska.
Interesting to note ….the delay in getting these public records released has lasted longer than the lady governor was actually governor.
http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/27/5935487-alaska-must-release-palin-e-mails-by-may-31-state-ag-declares
) that NPR and it’s asssociates are tilted to the left, and therefore, should not be funded by Federal funds as it denigrates other opinions
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I listen to NPR news and I have never heard any of them denigrate ‘other’ opinions. I suspect these Conservatives are once again playing the victim card.
Poor babies – they really don’t have any media that listens to their incessant whines, rants and raves – do they?
I suspect you know some deluded people. But, please, continue to believe them.
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You can suspect all you want. I gave you their opinion, not necessarily mine. I do believe NPR leans to the left. I listen about 2 hours each day. And while I beleive it trends to the left, it does so in an intelligent, thoughtful way.
The bigger question, in my mind, is why should it receive Federal funds at all?
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Does Rupert Murdock or any of his media companies receive subsidies
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TO my knowledge, no. But my knowledge is limited. Why don;t youdo some research and find out?
I am not one of the people ranting about cutting off Fox News like the Conservatives are ranting about cutting funds for NPR.
I only asked a simple question. No need to get one’s panties in bunch.
The bigger question, in my mind, is why should it receive Federal funds at all?
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Maybe do some research as to why we even have public radio – and that would answer your bigger question?
But you may be a little confused about NPR trending towards the left.
After all, they do not sell any of those gold bars on NPR – that I am aware of at this point in time.
But you may be a little confused about NPR trending towards the left.
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Your opinion.
Mine stands.
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After all, they do not sell any of those gold bars on NPR
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Who cares. I didn;t know that was the criteria for left/right. Nothing like adding “nothing” to the conversation
Maybe do some research as to why we even have public radio – and that would answer your bigger question?
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This is not the 1950s, 1960s, nor is it the “early” days of radio that colleges and universities are experimenting with a new medium. So tell me again why it should be federally funded. Oh yeah, you didn;t answer the question to start with.
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