Thursday, 12/9/10, Public Square


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  1. prairie pond

    Now THAT is a great cartoon for today!

    Isn’t it amazing that late last night, the media started talking about his HUGE budget and BIG spending passed by the Democrats in the House.

    After the preznit folded like a cheap lawn chair and the repukes went along with him on the deficit bulging, Social Security killing, millionaire loving tax package the day before.

    Gee, who didnt see THAT spin coming?

  2. Makes my brain hurt. I think all these people are Fox News regulars…

    • tosmarttobegop

      At first you find yourself chuckling then suddenly your eye squint and the head shakes! Then you are reminded of an old saying:

      To stupid to live!

  3. It’s an epidemic! I hope it spreads far and wide. 🙂

    • tosmarttobegop

      I needed that! When was the last time you laughed with a total stranger?

      The last time you laughed for not dog gone reason at all?

      Man was it not so much a better world when we did?

  4. indypendent

    Did anyone else see where the Fox News Bob Beckel (sp?) called for the US special ops to kill Julian Assange for being a traitor?

    Excuse me – but Assange is from Australia so how can he be a traitor to the US?

    And this guy is the first nitwit to call for the Wikileaks’ leader’s assassination.

    While I may not like what Assange has done, but if he is releasing nothing but the truth – then why all the outrage?

    As kids we were taught to tell the truth. But now that the truth has been told, we want to kill the messenger rather than deal with the truth?

    That is what is wrong with America today. People really don’t give a crap about what is right or wrong, they just want to do whatever the hell they want to do. The Republicans only take it one step further – they actually carry their own God-ordained justification for their agenda in the form of the Religious Right.

    God help us all.

  5. indypendent

    I heard the Assange supporters have shut down Mastercard, Visa and Palin websites to show their strength. These are people who obviously know where to strike to do the most damage.

    What came to my mind was this – the tea party promised a revolution but maybe it is this Australian and his supporters who are really the ones who can bring about revolution because they can go in and hack the world’s real power – the money flow.

    I also heard the only reason the powerful people are upset about Assange now is because he had promised the next release was going to be about a megabank. That is where the real power is – money.

    Better hang on folks – it is going to be bumpy ride.

    I am still not decided on how I feel about Assange and his releasing this documents. But I don’t buy the premise that Republicans are mad at him simply because he has put people’s lives in danger in our foreign affairs.

    If they really cared about that issue – then Scooter Libby and his fellow CIA outers would be in prison. Enough said.

  6. itolduso

    “I heard the Assange supporters have shut down Mastercard, Visa and Palin websites to show their strength. These are people who obviously know where to strike to do the most damage.”

    Hurray for the criminals!!!

  7. I don’t buy the premise that Republicans are mad at him simply because he has put people’s lives in danger in our foreign affairs.

    I think you can easily file this in the FLAT OUT LIES folder where only democrats and those with critical thinking skills look. btw, this excludes ALL Fox News fans who aren’t interested in hearing anything that makes them think! Here are a few more of the FLAT OUT LIES in that folder:

    We had to extend the top earner tax cuts “for small businesses.” This is complete and utter bunk, and the Republicans know it. Only 3 percent of the top earners are small businesses.

    The top earners won’t invest in creating jobs, if their taxes go back to Clinton-era levels, which is what would happen if the tax cuts expire. This is an argument that essentially casts the 1990s, a decade of unprecedented economic growth, as an era of oppressive taxes—a truly stunning misrepresentation of what happened. Top earners had no problem investing in the economy in the 1990s at the exact same tax rates the Obama plan would have taken them to.

    “You never raise taxes in a recession.” But we aren’t in a recession. We are in a recovery. And the reality is, there is no situation where Republicans think taxes should go up for rich people—despite their lip service to controlling the deficit.

  8. What if a soldier confides to a chaplain that he’s gay? Well if that chaplain is “evangelical” the soldier will obviously have spoken with someone who thinks he has the right to judge who is and who isn’t loved by God. Personally, I think any so-called chaplain that can’t serve everyone should not be in the business of ministering.

    Chaplains Worry About Careers If ‘Don’t Ask’ Is Lifted

    While most military personnel see no problem serving with openly gay comrades, some military chaplains are bristling. Many of the 3,000 chaplains are evangelical and believe repealing the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy may affect how they do their jobs.

    • prairie pond

      To quote Ma, from “Ma’s Roadhouse,” I can only say “what utter bullshit!”

      The wingnut evangelical christians will do ANYTHING to preserve their own personal power.

      And, I know this isnt popular, but I still wonder WTF possesses any gay person to serve in the military. WHY would you want to serve a nation that so clearly hates you?

      It mystifies me. It strikes me the same way as if I heard a black person wanted to “serve” the KKK.

    • Prairie – Don’t you know, children abused by their parents still love them dearly. Gays desire to serve for the same reason anyone does. Patriotism or job training/education.

  9. fragotwofortwo

    Free Julian Free Juliann Free Julian Free Julian Free Julian

    The Decline and Fall of the American Empire
    Four Scenarios for the End of the American Century by 2025
    By Alfred W. McCoy

    A soft landing for America 40 years from now? Don’t bet on it. The demise of the United States as the global superpower could come far more quickly than anyone imagines. If Washington is dreaming of 2040 or 2050 as the end of the American Century, a more realistic assessment of domestic and global trends suggests that in 2025, just 15 years from now, it could all be over except for the shouting.

    Despite the aura of omnipotence most empires project, a look at their history should remind us that they are fragile organisms. So delicate is their ecology of power that, when things start to go truly bad, empires regularly unravel with unholy speed: just a year for Portugal, two years for the Soviet Union, eight years for France, 11 years for the Ottomans, 17 years for Great Britain, and, in all likelihood, 22 years for the United States, counting from the crucial year 2003.

    Future historians are likely to identify the Bush administration’s rash invasion of Iraq in that year as the start of America’s downfall. However, instead of the bloodshed that marked the end of so many past empires, with cities burning and civilians slaughtered, this twenty-first century imperial collapse could come relatively quietly through the invisible tendrils of economic collapse or cyberwarfare.

    • prairie pond

      I read this too, and agree. It also says some people say the Bush v Gore decision was the beginning of the end of America. Others say it goes back to the day Reagan was elected. I agree that it goes back to Reagan, but it took as sharper nosedive with Bush v Gore.

      America. It was nice while it lasted.

  10. fragotwofortwo

    The revolution begins?

    Anonymous recruits Wikileaks ‘data army

    The data war between companies that have refused to do business with Wikileaks and the online activists keen to defend it is getting more intense.

    The tool through which attacks are carried out against websites perceived to be anti-Wikileaks has now been downloaded more than 31,000 times.

    Security experts warned people to avoid joining the voluntary botnet.

    Targets of the loose-knit group Anonymous have so far included Visa, Mastercard and Paypal.

    Amazon is expected to be among firms targeted next using the Anonymous attack tool known as LOIC. When a person installs the tool on their PC it enrols the machine into a voluntary botnet which then bombards target sites with data.

    Anonymous member Coldblood told the BBC that he did not understand how firms such as Visa and Mastercard have decided that Wikileaks is illegal.

    “We feel that they have bowed to government pressure. They say Wikileaks broke their terms and conditions but they accept payments from groups such as the Klu Klux Klan,” he told the BBC.

    He said that he has not personally taken part in the recent distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks but explained the motives of those who have.

    “Everyone is aware that they are illegal but they feel that it is a worthy cause and the possible outcome outweighs the risk,” he said.

    continued at link

  11. tosmarttobegop

    The problem with what the hackers are doing, I compare it to the Summer of Mercy.

    A the outset the majority of people were passive supportive, by that I mean that they were neither for or against the pro-life movement and operation Rescue. It was just not in the forefront of their thoughts.
    That is passive supportive.

    But as the protests continued and got more extreme it did bring the issue to the forefront of thought.
    With chaining children to metal gates and setting on pavement in the heat of the summer.
    With the loud and vocal disruptions when ever you went by on Kellogg.

    Soon the majority were force to think about it and it with the disruptions to everyday life.
    They sided against those who were causing the disruptions and both Pro-life and Operation Rescue image and caused suffered.

    The same will happen with the hackers and their cause, the most it becomes a disruption to everyday life and to those who are not one way or the other. they will lose in support and people will soon be against them and their cause.

    Now a result that is what they are fighting against will become the ultimate outcome too.
    The freedom of the net will be lost, with all the new safeguards and reactions to their efforts.
    The net will be so restricted and so much blockages in place that it will become impossible to do anything on the net.

    It could actually kill the net or result in it so controlled that only the Government will have access to it.

    • fragotwofortwo

      The gubermint can’t keep it’s own secrets safe. The gubermint can’t control the WORLD WIDE WEB. The gubermint does not have the resources to track down millions of dissidents world wide. The gubermint could not find one 7 foot tall arab dragging a dialysis machine behind him, even with a 25 million dollar reward.

    • indypendent

      But yet Bin Laden seemed to find a television camera each time he wanted to send a message to the world – didn’t he?

      But when GWB made the statement that he did not even think about Bin Laden anymore – that pretty much summed up why the government never could find him – they were not looking.

    • wicked

      frago2for2 said it all. HA!

  12. indypendent

    With the current DADT policy, it has happened that even a suggestion from anybody, not only a chaplain, to the commanding officers that someone is gay brings on that dreaded question part of the Don’t Ask.

    What type of society do we profess to have when an innuendo or whisper of someone being gay merits a commanding officer to ask if a soldier is gay?

    This is all about power – nothing else. And in that assessment, I agree with Prairie Pond – it is the evangelical christians who are pushing this nonsense.

    • wicked

      Indy, you might want to discuss this with Oprah. I read she was in tears because someone suggested she might be gay. She said she was upset because she feared people would say she’s lying. Uhhhhh, okay.


    “Substantively, the Dish is in some ways horrified that the result of the last election – which was dominated by the view that deficits need to be controlled and that new stimulus is evil – turned out to be … a new bipartisan stimulus package financed by borrowing!

    The more his liberal base attacks him, the more the center will take a second look. And look how instantly the GOP’s position has shifted. They have suddenly gone from pure oppositionism to dealing with the dreaded commie Muslim alien, thereby proving he is not what they have made him out to be. The more often we get the GOP to make actual tangible decisions on policy alongside Obama, the less able they will be able to portray him as somehow alien to the country, and the more they will legitimize him. Their House victory means they can no longer sit out there, portraying the country as somehow taken over by radical, alien forces – which they can simply oppose with ever ascending levels of hysteria and rhetoric. And the more practical and detailed and concrete the compromises, the less oxygen blowhards like Palin and Limbaugh will have to breathe.

    • Maybe Obama’s best chance at reelection will be votes from the GOP!?

    • indypendent

      Better beware when an obstructive republican suddenly becomes your friend. That could mean one of two things: 1) Obama was always one of theirs or 2) the Republicans are just looking for a new place in Obama’s back to stick the next knife.

      Either way – it does not look good for the average American.

      I heard a newly-elected Tea Party Republican actually say this morning that the tax cut deal was good because it made Obama have to work with the Republicans.

      Hmmmmmm, where was that thinking when these same Republicans were teh Party of Hell NO for the past two years? Why is it a good thing only when Obama caved in on tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and Republicans never caved in – or even helped – when it came to providing health care acess for all Americans?

      The two-party system needs to be kicked to the curb. I really think 2012 will be a make it or break it year for politics This will determine the future of one or both current parties.

  14. indypendent

    I just read on another blog where Amazon is the next target of these Assange hackers. They call themselves Anonymous.

    It seems Amazon is selling the leaked documents and this group is calling Amazon hypocrits because if it is wrong for Assange to be releasing the truth in these documents, then wouldn’t it also be wrong to be selling them for a profit?

    This entire Wikileaks situation is getting out of hand – and I agree that this hackers group runs the risk of alienating the majority of people if they disrupt the lives of too many people.

    But exactly what has Assange released but the truth? Has any of these released docments been refuted as being lies?

    No, we’ll just rush on up to the Frankenstein’s castle with our pitchforks and fire bombs to kill the monster that our country has helped to create.

  15. Westboro church plans to picket Edwards’ funeral

    • indypendent

      good ol’ Fred. He is such a fine example of what is wrong with so-called Christians – isn’t he?

      I suspect Fred has his supporters within the Religious Right that feel the exact same way but don’t have the guts to say it outloud. That’s why Fred is still around.

      After all, Christians are all the time demonizing the good Muslims for not shutting up their radical Muslims. Just substitute the word Christians for Muslims.

  16. indypendent

    toosmart brought up the issue of the internet and possible government control. Remember when this piece of legislation was being debated:

  17. indypendent

    I have not seen nor heard anywhere as to the stated motivation of Julian Assange in releasing these documents. Has anyone else heard what is driving this guy to do this?

    That would be very telling and could possibly give some clue as to how this guy’s mine is working.

  18. Leaked memos reveal how Fox News spun health care debate

    In October 2009, as the Democrats introduced a public insurance option, Fox’s Washington managing editor, Bill Sammon (also George W.’s authorized biographer), issued a memo to staff about how to describe the plan.

    “Please use the term ‘government-run health insurance,’ or, when brevity is a concern, ‘government option,’ whenever possible,” wrote Sammon, who also doubles as a conservative commentator when not overseeing news coverage.

    • indypendent

      And Fox News loyalists will say ‘so what’ to this revelation. These folks don’t care as long as they get what they want – control of the government and all the money.

      I’ve seen the latest television ad for United Health Care and their new Medicare program with Zero premium Now on what conceivable planet is it possible for any health insurance company to offer health insurance – Medicare Part A, Part B and Part D (the drugs) for no premium? In whose mind is this even possible?

      Doesn’t anyone wonder where United Health is going to make their money off this deal? It is the US taxpayers – that’s who.

      But it is these same people who think United Health is so generous to give all that health care coverage for nothing that also believe every word Fox News babbles is the the gospel truth.

      I liken that new United Health Care television ad citing zero premiums for all that health care coverage to the scam of these motorized scooters where the senior citizen proudly proclaims – and it did not cost me one penny.

      Well, somebody is paying for those scooters and it is alot of pennies.

      Those who scream the loudest about the massive federal spending seem to be the same group who are benefiting from all those zero premium Medicare health care plan and those motorized scooters.

      But yet I never hear any of these folks willing to cut out that spending – do you?

    • indypendent

      I want to see all Americans get the same health care coverage as these seniors do – and then maybe we’ll have a dialogue as to whether we can afford it or not.

      Until then – forget the partisan bickering and pandering to one group of Americans. If these tea party republicans want to follow the Constitution, that’s fine with me.

      Show me in the Constitution where it is okay to take tax dollars from one group to give to another group?

      And that statement opens up another big can of worms – doesn’t it? Corporate subsidies, farm subsidies, welfare subsidies adn the list just goes on and on and on.

  19. fragotwofortwo

    “I have not seen nor heard anywhere as to the stated motivation of Julian Assange in releasing these documents. Has anyone else heard what is driving this guy to do this?”

    Maybe he’s sick and tired of the status quo. I know I certainly am. It seems politicians, CEO’s could give a rat’s ass about anything but themselves. MSM is a f@#king joke. In the US 6 companies own the media. I’m tired of focus groups , studies and wingnut social engineering.
    At least these scary hacker kids have grown a set and are doing something. Remember way back in the 60’s when people would stand up for a few principles. Maybe the youngsters will fix things going forward.

    Rant over.

    • indypendent

      Have you seen the news coverage of the protesters in Britain over the vote to raise the cap on the tuition rates?

      You may be right – the average person is fed up and tired of getting pushed around.

      Does anyone know the background of this Julian Assange? Where did he come from and where is his money coming from?

  20. indypendent

    Maybe the youngsters will fix things going forward.

    This is why I do have hope for the future. The younger generation are not as socially judgmental. They are usually working the lower paying jobs with no benefits. These are the kids that have been raised in homes where both parents had to work to make ends meet. These are also the folks who are not so into organized religion and partisan politics.

    I’ve often commented here on this blog – this is the group that needs to get politically motivated and maybe – just maybe – things will start to change.

    But I won’t hold my breath for things to change quickly. Maybe it will take something like this Wikileaks for them to start taking notice of what governments are really doing.

    Now all we need are some new leaders who can get this movement going in t he right direction and beat the other two political parties at their own game.

  21. indypendent

    At least these scary hacker kids have grown a set and are doing something

    fragot- this is one place where Republicans seem to be the most vulnerable – the technology side of life.

    Remember McCain in the 2008 presidential campaign? It was like watching Obama with a tehnical-savy army fighting some old man with a quill pen and a bottle of ink.

  22. fragotwofortwo

    The New Yorker has a fascinating new profile of Julian Assange, the mastermind behind WikiLeaks. Raffi Khatchadourian’s piece is full of revelations about the enigmatic hacker-turned-“open-government activist”, from details of his peripatetic childhood to an exclusive glimpse of Assange at work on the “Collateral Murder” video of an American Army helicopter shooting journalists and civilians in Baghdad.

    Check it out—but also check out MoJo’s controversial profile of Assange by David Kushner, which has just been updated and expanded. Like Kushner, Khatchadourian concludes that Assange’s attempts to shine light on evildoers while lurking in the shadows is deeply contradictory: “The thing that he seems to detest most—power with accountability—is encoded in the site’s DNA, and will only become more pronounced as WikiLeaks evolves into a real institution.”

    Perhaps the most interesting tidbit in the New Yorker story is its discussion of how WikiLeaks got its start. When WikiLeaks was in the planning stages in 2006, Assange said that he had more than 1 million documents; a claim that convinced Cryptome founder Jon Young that Assange was either exaggerating or up to no good. But now it seems that Assange did have his hands on a large, questionably obtained, cache of material. Khatchadourian reports that one WikiLeaks activist had access to a “tranche” of secret government documents obtained by Chinese hackers. The documents had been pulled off of Tor, the anonymizing network that WikiLeaks now encourages its leakers to use to stymie “internet spies.” According to the New Yorker, WikiLeaks posted only a few of those swiped documents. If it’s accurate, this anecdote raises some serious ethical and technical questions about how WikiLeaks operates. Does WikiLeaks condone this kind of online snooping? Has it relied upon it since its launch? Just how many of the senstive documents it’s posted were genuinely leaked and how many were hacked?

    • indypendent

      If the question is whether it is ethical to snoop – wouldn’t this also bring into question of how all governments operate with their own spies to gain knowledge and/or the upper hand of control?

      Think back to the Cold War and all the spies in the CIA. Do we really think there are no more spies simply because Russia crumbled under their own economic troubles and had nothing do with that Ronnie Reagan saying ‘tear down that wall’.

      BTW _ I mean, seriously, does anyone with one working brain cell actually believe the Berlin Wall came down because Reagan told them to do it?

      Snooping or spying has been going for a long, long time.

      But then this brings me back to my original question – has any of the Wikileaks released documents been refuted as being lies?

      If it is the truth, then don’t we as a citizen of this country have the right to know what is really going on? I want to know if the Saudi leaders are wanting the US to attack Iran. I want to know if Afghanistan’s president Karzai is corrupt.

      But as someone on television this morning stated – alot of these released documents has already been published elsewhere. If we advocate assassdinating or prosecuting Assange – don’t we also have to give that same punishment to those news media that published the the same information?

      Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

      I heard that all through my childhood – as I’m sure alot of you have also.

  23. indypendent

    Since Sarah Palin has put out he reading list to the media – is this a sure sign she is throwing her hat into the ring for 2012? Aw shucks, she won’t get caught this time without an answer to that question Katie Couric asked her in 2008. No sireee, she is locked and ready this time. You betcha!

  24. indypendent

    The House Democrats just became the the Party of HELL NO. Now we’ll see some fancy pageant walking on the Capitol steps..

    • itolduso

      Great! I HOPE they Hold the line. Let ALL the tax cuts expire.

      Resultant income to the federal govenment: 3.8 trillion dollars!!!!

      Now it ‘s time to start talking about cutting spending!!!

      GO DEMS!!!

    • Zippy

      That’s good. There are 23 days until December 31. If it was just my ass on the line, I would take this battle into next year. Of course, it’s not, and it’s unfortunate that Democrats have used the “hostage” analogy because even if people will genuinely die, the Republican leadership are elected officials, who are presumed to represent “persons” who are not legally-chartered business entities.)

      If Nancy can force a better deal from these bastards, I say go for it. Even if I was a 99’er, I would take a week or two of unfunded terror to make that happen. Fuck them.

      But I cannot, in good conscience, expect that of someone else’s children.

  25. Zippy

    P.S. Fnord: Glad to see you back so soon. Hope things are going well.

  26. Zippy

    P.P.S. My elected officials heard my views long before the Senate non-votes. I think giving McCain the shit he deserves–where I’m sitting–is the only viable strategy going forward.

  27. Zippy

    Cutting spending? Aside from shutting down–and I mean shutting down–where are these fantasized huge savings coming from?

    Specifics and numbers, please.

    • itolduso

      And what “HUGE SAVINGS” did I declare. I didn’t.

      Can you cut 5%$? Sure you can. Can you cut 10% Proably. More than that? Not likely. Nor can you do it all at once. It takes time to wean off the teat

  28. itolduso

    SOme specific examples?

    End farm subsidies/
    Close most military bases overseas. Bring our kids home
    End customer subsidy programs like the “VOLT”

    There are hundreds, likely thousands of cuts that can be made. First cut,

    the attitude that the Federal Government is the answer to every question

  29. indypendent

    Since fnord posted about the Phelps gang protesting Elizabeth Edwards’ funeral – I found this link to one of Fred’s son that escaped this gang of hate. Thought this might be of interest. I did not know of any children of his that got away from the madness…

    • wicked

      The story from the other brother, Mark, the second son who also left the family. Nate is mentioned in this story, and is four years younger than Mark.

      I’ll have to read both and compare. I know both brothers lived through years of pure yell. Nate accused his father of child abuse some years ago.

      Thanks for the link, indy.

  30. indypendent

    To cut the most spending is to get out of both wars we are currently in and to not invade Iran or North Korea.

    Let’s see how long that proposal stands when all those military defense contractors pull on those puppet strings that are pemanently attached to the politicians on both sides of the aisle.

    Why are we spending billions of dollars on wars when the governments we profess to set up to be democratic are nothing more than corrupt? Iraq and Afghanistan are both prime examples of how to waste billions of dollars.

    • indypendent

      BTW – after reading the link I found yesterday about the US military contractors and their choice of having fun in Afghanistan – that is some federal spending that really needs to be cut off and ASAP.

  31. indypendent

    Let’s see – why is trusting private corporations any better than trusting the government to solve problems?

    Let’s privatize everything and then we’ll have even more globalization that cares about nothing but the bottom line. The Almighty Dollar is the only God these corporatists worship.

  32. fragotwofortwo

    just cuz i can

  33. fragotwofortwo

    these guys are fabulous

  34. itolduso

    “One unidentified lawmaker went so far as to mutter “f— the president”
    while Rep. Shelley Berkley was defending the package the president negotiated with Republicans. Berkley confirmed the incident, although she declined to name the specific lawmaker”

    Nice. Keep it classy. And the Dems were all atwitter about the Republican who shouted “You lie”

    • If it was a public gathering and ‘mutter’ means loud enough to be heard, you could bring the video / audio for all to hear. Otherwise, it’s a rumor you’ve repeated as far as I can see. I know for sure that when Joe Wilson, (R) of South Carolina, said “You lie” at the State of the Union speech he said it loudly enough to be heard clearly and there was oodles and gobs of video and audio to prove it.

    • wicked

      Where was this allegedly said?

      There is some slight difference between the two remarks mentioned. “You lie” was said directly to the president as he made the SoU address. The other could be considered a threat. Not that I think it is. This would be like some kid who just got reamed by the principal and is walking away and heard to mutter “f– the principal,” and then discovering the principal is right behind him. Oh, yeah.

      Congresscritters say the damnedest things.

      Have we forgotten Cheney’s ‘f@ck you’ during photographs in the House?

  35. tosmarttobegop

    DAMN OBAMACARE! my wife had the insurance meeting today to inform the employees of the new insurance. The premium rate is the same at 276.00 a paycheck but the coverage totally changed!

    Co-pay was 40. 00 now it is 20.00

    Deductible was 3,000 per person now is 1,000

    Where we were restricted to select hospitals and now every hospital in the region is open to us.

    The over the counter medicine that the Doctor had told us we should take is now included and for 3.00 per insurance.

    More coverage for treatments that the old insurance would not cover even if Doctor said it was needed and necessary.

    Damn that Obamacare, a company that has less then forty employees and now insurance that is almost as good as that had by the large aircraft plants!

  36. itolduso

    Here’s the link to the news story. I guess you could call it rumor if you want, no audio or video

  37. itolduso

    And yeah, in my opinion, no matter who the President is, or who the sayer is,

    “You lie” is better than “F@#ck the President”

    However, neither did I agree with “You lie” or the berating of SCOTUS during the State of the Union Address. Both political theater, both wrong.

    • wicked

      I have to agree that much is political theater, especially the first. I also know we’re all human, and the second is definitely a reflection of that and frustration, as the article says.

      It is too bad our reps can’t always control themselves. Unfortunately they are human, but ironic as it is, sometimes we want them to be.

  38. indypendent

    As I recall, Joe Wilson made quite a few big bucks in fundraising using his ‘You Lie’ moment.

    Did the Democrat who said f_ the president do the same – make money off his mouth?

    That is the difference in my opinion.