Thursday, 10/28/10, Public Square

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  1. david B

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130833741

    ewwwww..

    Prison Economics Help Drive Ariz. Immigration Law

    According to Corrections Corporation of America reports reviewed by NPR, executives believe immigrant detention is their next big market. Last year, they wrote that they expect to bring in “a significant portion of our revenues” from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the agency that detains illegal immigrants.

    In the conference room, the group decided they would turn the immigration idea into a model bill. They discussed and debated language. Then, they voted on it.

    “There were no ‘no’ votes,” Pearce said. “I never had one person speak up in objection to this model legislation.”

    Four months later, that model legislation became, almost word for word, Arizona’s immigration law.

    • wicked

      It’s beyond ewwwwww, David. Are you old enough to remember the Native American (Indian) in the commercial against littering? That one, lone tear sliding down his cheek?

      We, the people, are f#cked.

    • What a mental image — that Indian with the single tear rolling down his cheek…

      In addition to families, we have this small ragtag group of friends always willing to listen, celebrate, console, commiserate… Nothing to sneeze at!

    • Four months later, that model legislation became, almost word for word, Arizona’s immigration law.

      That is how “leglislation” gets done these days. It is reprehensible that our legal process is so blatantly for sale. But it is more reprehensible that so many citizens have absolutely no problem with it. It’s exactly the way the health care reform bill was written, except by many parties and not just one. And when I objected to that, some people replied that it is vital for our leglislators to get “expert” input on such important matters.

      Some days I feel as though we have exactly what we deserve in this country.

    • tosmarttobegop

      Local jails get money from housing illegals awaiting deportation.
      Generally it is for several months until the INS sends a bus around to pick them up and then drive to the border.

      One story I was told by an INS agent was he rode from the Canada border to the border at Brownsville.
      Picking up illegals and then watching as they walked across the bridge into Mexico.
      He had to be in Washington D.C. in the morning so he went to the airport and got on a flight back East.

      Because he was armed they knew who he was with and where he sat which was in couch.
      About half way through the flight, a flight attendant came up to him and asked if he could help with a couple of passengers who were in 1st class. They seem to want something but they did not speech English.

      So she asked him to come to 1st class and find out what they wanted?
      As soon as he got to where the two were setting he recognized them as they too recognized him too!
      He had just spent a week on the bus with them as they had been picked up for being illegal!

      Not only had they beat him to the airport after coming back into the United States but were even flying first class to Washington!

  2. Even tho I skim over many words in many articles from the New Yorker I always admire the way the contributors hang their words together and take me with them on the journey of their story. My son Chad gave me a gift subscription and I have piles of New Yorkers! 😉

    An interesting article —

    Recession Election

    http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2010/11/01/101101taco_talk_hertzberg

  3. indypendent

    Corrections Corporation of America has a very big ally in the Senate.

    Lamar Alexander (who once ran for president) used to be on their board. Lamar is also an influential person in the GOP.

    And with the current fever pitch of hatred towards anyone non-white, this whole privatization trend is disturbing – in my opinion.

    But these are the same folks that like the fox guarding the hen house – as long as they are the fox.

    • The privatization thing came first and then the immigration thing started to boil up.

      Coincidence? I think not. I learned back in the late 1980’s and early 1990’s about large groups of illegal immigrants being held and processed through Leavenworth. These are the kinds of things that don’t escape the profit-driven for very long.

  4. With Rove taking a few snipes at her, and some of those she supports proving to be wing-nuttier than most, she still has an impressive record. She has endorsed 56 candidates. Her won-lost record would be the envy of any major-league baseball player: she’s batting .776 with 7 more at bats to go. Does this mean her influence is such that the majority of voters listen to her and would also vote for her if she decided to run?

    Here’s an interactive map showing who the Mama Grizzly tweets have been supporting and how well they have worked.

    Campaign 2010: The Politics of Palin

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/palin_tracker/

    • indypendent

      Palin’s chances of becoming president probably will be diminished alot if the Republicans regain control in the midterm and then do diddly squat.

      The average American is very impatient and if their job and/or life does not improve instantly with the new-found love of the GOP – they too will feel the pointed end of the voters’ boot in 2012.

      If Palin were to run as an independent third party – she might have a chance to win.

      But I don’t think she wants to do that – it would be too risky leaving all that GOP money.

  5. indypendent

    Did anyone else happen to catch the news about how NASA is planning to find a way to colonize the moon? There are scientists who believe the Earth will be hit by a giant comet or asteroid within in the next 100 years and if the human species is to survive – we will need to colonize the moon and/or Mars.

    With the discovery of all that water on the moon, some are even planning to make the moon as a lay-over destination to other planets – such as Mars.

    My first thought as I listened to this news was – great, now we have a place to send all those disgruntled Republicans/Tea Party Express/Radical Christians who think America is doomed.

    We can send them to the moon and at the last minute – throw in all the radical Muslims and then seal the door real fast.

    That’s a huge problem solved – don’t you think?

    A girl can dream – can’t she?

  6. indypendent

    Serious question – does anyone think Palin is really wanting to be president because she cares about the country or is it her desire to be the big kahuna?

    I think kahuna says it all.

    Palin loves the media spotlight – especially the lamestream media (as she calls it) because it must give her some sort of feeling of power to know all she has to do is to tweet something and the media will cover it.

    Just had a thought – maybe palin will be the first president to never hold a public news conference – she will simply put it on Facebook or Tweet her divine messages to the rest of us peasants?

  7. This Italian parody of a 60s/70s pop song is sung entirely in gibberish designed to sound like American English. If you’ve ever wondered what other people think Americans sound like, this is it.

    • tosmarttobegop

      How odd our language sound or anyone’s should not be a surprise. American is such a mixture of differing languages and most mixes are at best a bastardized version.

      Try speaking what sounds like Arabic? It often sound like it was created by the camels in the region.
      So what they think we sound like is not a big deal, it is just normal as to how anyone’s language sounds to someone else.

      Something I did hear about how we sound in other countries is that for some reason Americans think that if they just talk loud enough they will be understood.

  8. indypendent

    No matter what happens in this midterm election, I suspect the real power in our government won’t change that much.

    We still have politicians on both sides of the aisle that are bought and paid for by corporations.

    Until that is changed, I don’t hold out much hope for any real change.

    • I agree for the most part. I just see the democrats as being ‘bought off’ by more people-friendly agendas. I know they’ve all been bought and paid for, but Republicans will always be like that cartoon I saw recently — a working man sitting next to a high falutin’ banker and telling the banker: as a future lottery winner I support tax cuts for the very wealthy.

      I’m not ever going to be very wealthy in monetary measures. If oodles and gobs of money was dropped on me by surprise I would expect to pay more, I could afford to pay more. My charitable giving would increase dramatically and it sure wouldn’t be so I could write it off to realize a tax savings. It’s just a different way of thinking.

    • As far as much changing — I absolutely agree.

      The democrats will now say no instead of the republicans. The wheels on the bus go round and round.

      The one thing that might change — even tho nothing else actually changes — will be who is complaining. I expect the republicans to continue to complain to an extent because they don’t have the presidency. As soon as that changes they will be fine and complaint free. No matter what their president does they will support her/him.

      Large numbers of republicans think government is the problem and support whole-heartedly their elected reps doing absolutely nothing. Democrats have higher expectations than paying someone to do nothing.

      • wicked

        Do you really believe the democrats will say no? They didn’t when Bush was president, and I don’t see that anything has changed. If it had, we’d have single payer health insurance right now. If all the democrats had voted for it, there would’ve been no question. We even managed to pull in a few republicans (Olympia Snowe and others), but when our own party members started dragging their feet, everyone caved…including the president.

      • I was thinking more about that crazy filibuster / 60 vote rule in the Senate. The democrats did use it under bush just not for everything — the republicans definitely (ahem) … improved on the concept. They took the filibuster to extremes I hadn’t previously even imagined. I rarely think about how far something can be taken to cause havoc, and when I see it I wonder what that kind of effort could mean if used toward something positive and good.

    • I have to agree that the prospects for change are dim–no matter who we elect.

      But I have lived long enough to know that the country will survive if the Republicans gain the majority. And I am starting to wonder if it wouldn’t be a good thing? Especially if tea party candidates get into office–perhaps the citizens of this country will LEARN something as they watch their candidates go into government and do…nothing. Just as the GOP did nothing for the many years it held the majority. Just as I suspect any of the tea party candidates will do once in office. Where are these supposedly grass-roots candidates getting all their pretty money? Who will they owe when they get there?

      Meet the new boss–same as the old boss.

      • wicked

        I’m not sure the country can survive. If we have more of the same as we had during the Bush years–from both sides–we’ll go down the drain. The republicans want to blame Obama, but the economy tanked well before he took office, no matter how much the Rs want to say it’s his fault. We played this game with Clinton.

      • I think we can survive, but not flourish. Going forward and making progress is out of the question. The two words republican and progress cancel one another out if you’re an average citizen.

  9. itolduso

    fnord-

    THe reasoning “My charitable giving wouldn’t be so I could write it off to realize a tax savings. ” is just liberal talk that makes no sense. It was either thought of originally by someone who didn’t pay many taxes, or just as an attack meme.

    Anybody that believes anyone of any monetary consequence will give away $100 to charity, just so they can save $35 or $50 dollars in taxes, hasn’t really looked at the issue.

    It is always amusing to me when I hear my liberal friends say such things, because it is untrue, and you can;t convince them that isn;t why they are giving to charitable things, is to save money on taxes.

    Do they take the deduction? Sure. Is it why they give? No. Will they leverage what they give? Maybe. If they give $166 dollars to charity, the net (after taking taxes into account, will be around $100 if they are in the 35% tax bracket (not including other taxes of course….such as self employment tax if they are such, etc). However, the cost to save $66 in taxes was $100. Not a good deal.

    • wicked

      I’ve given several hundred dollars to charity in one chunk and did NOT take the deduction. And believe me, I need all the deductions I can get.

      • itolduso

        That certainly was your choice. As it is everyone elses.

      • itolduso

        And I also have given away money that I did not claim on my taxes. Primarily, because it was given to help people individually, and thus not tax deductible, or to a fledgling charity, which did not yet have the financial werwithall to go thru the 501c3 process.

      • wicked

        Mine was to a charity. I’ve also given to friends who needed it–the NON deductible type you mentioned.

        You’re missing the point, itolduso. fnord didn’t say she would never deduct it, she said her charitable contributions would increase because she would have more money to give, not so she could use it as a deduction as some people do.

        My charitable giving would increase dramatically and it sure wouldn’t be so I could write it off to realize a tax savings.

    • “Do they take the deduction? Sure. Is it why they give? No. ”

      It’s funny that you would make this assertion. First of all, how can you guess their intent?
      Secondly, if tax write-offs are not part of the reason that wealthy people and corporations donate to charitable organizations, why was there such a hue and cry when Obama suggested that those tax write offs be decreased? http://philanthropy.com/article/Obamas-Plan-to-Reduce/63024/
      Thirdly, it is a matter of common sense the companies make decisions based on their own bottom lines–why would they start giving money away if it didn’t benefit them?

      Yes, we liberals are a laugh-riot on the issue of tax deductions for charitable giving. We just don’t know anything about the subject at all, I guess. That would be because:
      There are no wealthy liberals?
      Wealthy liberals never give to charitable organizations?
      Liberals and liberal organizations don’t understand how to maximize their profits and income and/or decrease their tax liability?

      • indypendent

        or maybe liberals are ‘evil’ – I hear that is what most conservatives firmly believe.

        And you know evil people NEVER give to charity.

        heavy sarcasm/

        BTW – the people that love tax deductible giving are these mega churches.

        That preacher does need a new car this year – you know – so let’s get that government-provided tax free money rolling into our greedy big hands.
        LMAO

      • itolduso

        “It’s funny that you would make this assertion. First of all, how can you guess their intent?”

        i guess because I don;t believe they give away one hundred dollars to save $35. That makes no economic sense.

        “Thirdly, it is a matter of common sense the companies make decisions based on their own bottom lines–why would they start giving money away if it didn’t benefit them?”

        Sometimes, being a good citizen is part of whom they are.

        “Yes, we liberals are a laugh-riot on the issue of tax deductions for charitable giving. We just don’t know anything about the subject at all, I guess. That would be because:
        There are no wealthy liberals?
        Wealthy liberals never give to charitable organizations?
        Liberals and liberal organizations don’t understand how to maximize their profits and income and/or decrease their tax liability?

        Unfortunately, I never said or implied any of those things. But do carry on

      • “Unfortunately, I never said or implied any of those things. But do carry on”

        Which is why they had question marks at the end–they were questions. The assumption is that if you are asked a question, you would provide an answer. You’re the one that came on with the sweeping assertions about your liberal friends–I am just asking you to specify why you are making the assumptions you are making.

        As far as companies benefitting from their charitable contribution, there is a perfectly good reason to give a hundred dollars to get a $35 tax credit–it lowers your tax liability while at the same time marketing your company as a ‘good guy.’ If you haven’t owned a business, you may not understand how it would be worth it to lower your tax liability at the end of your fiscal year, but in many cases it can be VERY worthwhile.

        “Sometimes, being a good citizen is part of whom they are.”

        Agreed.

  10. Washington Post Says MidTerm Campaign $ Reaches $4 Billion

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/27/AR2010102708306.html?wpisrc=nl_politics

    “…House and Senate candidates…have reported raising $1.7 billion; the political parties, with about $1.1 billion; and outside interest groups, which have raised at least $400 million.”
    “Donations from Wall Street, medical and insurance firms, energy conglomerates and other corporations have shifted decisively toward Republicans over the past year…”
    “…conservative groups have spent $2 on advertisements and other communications for every $1 on the liberal side.”
    …American Crossroads, a conservative group headquartered blocks from the White House, made an unusual choice: Forcht Bank, a small regional institution based in Lexington, Ky.
    The bank is part of a regional conglomerate, the Forcht Group, owned by Terry Forcht of Corbin, Ky., which also has publishing, broadcast, construction and real estate companies…Forcht’s family and employees have given $1.1 million in political donations since 2003, nearly all of it to Republicans.
    …owns a chain of nursing homes under investigation by Kentucky Attorney General Jack Conway…the Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate against GOP nominee Rand Paul. American Crossroads has spent more than $1.8 million on ads opposing Conway, including radio ads, according to Federal Election Commission records.

    If the above information isn’t enough to convince every American that the government of this country is for sale to the highest bidder, then, again, I believe this country is getting what it deserves.

    • wicked

      Next time, maybe these corps and banks should fail. I’ve learned my lesson, maybe it’s time they learn theirs.

  11. wicked

    Have to share this retweet from a friend.

    When writing about Senators, use “D” for Democrats, “R” for Republicans, “I” for independents, and chooose one at random for Joe Lieberman.

    Tweeted by FakeAPStylebook

  12. I’m convinced I am unable to communicate in written form. And going back to explain what I didn’t make clear usually makes it murkier. Thank you, wicked, for understanding. It must be because you know me well, and can read between the lines to the intent.

    • wicked

      What you wrote was perfectly clear. One only has to read it, not anticipate what it might mean.

      I don’t mean to be disrepectful, but itolduso read into it what he/she expected or wanted it to read. It’s a common mistake and one we all make from time to time. If I read his/her reply (“Primarily, because it was given to help people individually, and thus not tax deductible, or to a fledgling charity, which did not yet have the financial werwithall to go thru the 501c3 process.”), I would assume he/she would only give if receiving a deduction, except for the exeptions listed. That’s exactly how it reads.

      My guess is that because that’s the way he/she feels about it, others must, too.

      fnord, I didn’t read between the lines. Your words spoke for themselves. IOW, ya done good, girl. 😉

      • itolduso

        “I don’t mean to be disrepectful, but itolduso read into it what he/she expected or wanted it to read”

        Fail I took the words at their content

        “I would assume ”

        Fail.

        I listed at least two examples where I have given and not taken a deduction. I could list more, but what would be the point. The fact is, if it is any larger amount, and a deduction is available, I will take it. Just for your understanding, so you don;t have to “assume” and fail once again, the percentage of my income given to charities has not increased or decreased whether I was able to deduct it or not. I give because I want, not because I want to give 100 dollars to charity so I can save 35 dollars at tax time. I don;t claim, and could care less, if I give more or less than someone else. I don;t judge myself by the performance, or lack thereof, of others. Now you don;t have to assume. Have a great day

    • indypendent

      I understood your comment and I agree 100%

  13. tosmarttobegop

    People as some one who does tend to think in a Conservative mindset.
    The writing is on the wall no matter who is in control, S.S., Medicare and Medicaid will be cut if not ending up totally abandoned.

    It is true that it will be the Republicans who will be doing the final push but the Democratic will be right behind them. Wishful thinking can only get you so far, I will add that when it comes it will be the surest sign that this nation is failing.

    Much like the Doiner party, the decision to eat the dead and sick will come about because there just is no way around it. The rest have to survive and it will become the only option left.

  14. tosmarttobegop

    the other day I was caught off guard, a Conservative I was talking to brought up that wanted the “Obamacare” repealed. That was not the surprise it was their reason which I had never heard a Conservative express.

    They wanted it repealed because it was totally written by Big Insurance!
    I have myself stated the whys of my dislike for the reform and several involved how Big insurance was put in front of the good of the people.

    But that came as a total surprise coming from a Conservative!

    • indypendent

      I don’t like the health care reform we got because it did not address the real problem – which is the high prices of health care.

      I suspect you were talking to a conservative that also rants against government-run health care but yet still wants their Medicare.

      If you really want to make a Conservative Tea Party Republicans’ head spin – ask them where in the Constitution does it say taxpayers have to pay for their Medicare?

      Another question for them is – where in the Constitution does it say taxpayers have to pay corporations to conduct their businesses?

      Conservatives love to blame Obama and Democrats for picking winners and losers but isn’t all taxpayer money being given to corporations just picking winners and losers?

      I am reminded of the recent fight over the Genesis health Club getting their taxpayer money and that other health club company being turned down when they asked for money.

      Where was the Constitution then? I did not hear one Republican complain about that. Could it be that the Genesis people were politically connected?

    • Underscoring my repeated point that we can have many things in common with conservatives–we do have many things in common with conservatives and the main thing that is missing is civil dialogue. Sounds like you had one; Good For You!!

  15. indypendent

    As for charitable giving, I always find it amusing when conservative Christian Republicans loudly proclaim they give more than anyone else – and there is a study to prove that fact.

    After listening to these proud peacocks brag about their charitable giving and generosity to others – I always wonder how God views giving.

    Someone who has more than enough money and their calculating how much to give to get the most tax benefit from their giving or the person who has alot less money and they give what they can – even if they need that dollar more than the recipient of the charity.

    Only God knows the heart of each person when they give to charity.

    If you’re giving just to get a tax deduction or to look good to others – then your heart is not in the right place.

    And that is what God judges – in my opinion.

    The person who cannot afford to give and still gives, is the one that God will bless because his/her heart is in the right place.

    • itolduso

      “If you’re giving just to get a tax deduction ”

      Economically unsound

      “or to look good to others ”

      Psychologically unsound, and gets no Hurrays by me.

      “And that is what God judges – in my opinion.The person who cannot afford to give and still gives, is the one that God will bless because his/her heart is in the right place”

      yep

      However, to continue. Those who can afford to give and do so, should not be judged by man, who unless they know them personally, knows not the intent of their heart.

  16. wicked

    “The writing is on the wall no matter who is in control, S.S., Medicare and Medicaid will be cut if not ending up totally abandoned.”

    Then they’d better repeal the 2nd amendment before they do that, or that rumor of a revolution will no longer be a rumor.

  17. indypendent

    I don’t think Republicans will ever abolish social security or Medicare – that is the biggest majority of their voter base.

    Medicaid will be their target. But when they repeal the health care reform, then won’t we see alot of people going on Medicaid to get their health care?

    That is what I was told to do when faced with a newly diagnosed Stage III colon cancer. The local Catholic hospital told me to divorce my husband, quit my part time job and go on Medicaid for the remaining cancer treatment.

    And I had health insurance through my husband’s work! This hospital was pressuring me for the last $2,000 owed on my bill – and this was their advice to me.

    No wonder our country is in trouble!

    • indypendent

      BTW – I remember some Republican politicians also giving this advice when asked by their constituents as to where to get health insurance if they had pre-existing conditions.

      You just cannot fix stupid.

    • wicked

      The really really funny thing is, you probably wouldn’t have qualified for Medicaid. It isn’t for adults, unless you’re disabled or over 60-something or have young children. Most people, even those involved in healthcare, don’t know this.

      • indypendent

        That is what I thought but what troubled me more is the fact that a Catholic run hospital was telling me to get a divorce!

        Talk about something really being funny.

      • Medicaid in Kansas is a joke. SCHIP program in Kansas is a joke.

        My daughter applied for Healthwave for my grandkids in March of this year. She never heard back and every time she calls, she gets the same answer–that her application is still being processed.

        In Kansas, you can’t qualify for anything unless you are completely destitute, but working. Then, what you do qualify for is hardly any help at all. The conservatives have been very successful in Kansas in destroying the social safety net.

      • wicked

        Jumping through the hoops for SCHIP or any of the services is ridiculous. I have stories of good and bad. Sometimes it works, sometimes it fails miserably. I’m not surprised it’s taking your daughter so long to hear back. So many are now being forced to apply, and not enough office staff to do the job in a reasonable amount of time. I hope your daughter hears back with positive news real soon.

  18. indypendent

    wicked
    October 28, 2010 at 1:58 pm Genesis is owned by part of the Steven family, if that helps

    —-

    I see you got my intended message. Isn’t it ironic how there is no money for worth causes but there is always money for those certain few well-connected.

    • indypendent

      BTW – did that Genesis deal ever go through? I seem to remember there was a big stink that was being stirred about it at the time the other company was turned down.

      It might have been one of those things that gets all stinked up and then quietly gets passed through down the line – uner the guise of ‘old business’.

      There are quite a few good ol’ boys deals like that in this city -aren’t there?

  19. itolduso

    or maybe liberals are ‘evil’ – I hear that is what most conservatives firmly believe.

    And you know evil people NEVER give to charity.

    heavy sarcasm/

    Sorry, you are talking to the wrong conservative. But do carry on.

    BTW – the people that love tax deductible giving are these mega churches.

    And Sierra CLub, and moveon.org, and Code Pink, on and on and on. Give it a break.

    “That preacher does need a new car this year – you know – so let’s get that government-provided tax free money rolling into our greedy big hands.
    LMAO”

    Just another cheap shot. But do go ahead.

    • indypendent

      Are you trying to say these mega churches want the government to start taxing them?

      Oh – wait a minute. Conservative Republicans do claim there is no separation of church and state.

      So let’s tax these mega churches ……..

      All that prime real estate will bring in quite a big boost to our revenues -won’t they?

      whatever…….

      • itolduso

        Are you trying to say these mega churches want the government to start taxing them?”

        By what words that I used would raise such a question?

        And I don;t have a problem taxing churches, as long as we abolish ALL tax exempt organizations, and they ALL pay taxes. Agreed?

      • “And I don;t have a problem taxing churches, as long as we abolish ALL tax exempt organizations, and they ALL pay taxes. Agreed?”

        itolduso, there is such a huge problem with people setting up tax exempt organizations to basically shelter income and profits that we may end up doing just that some day. In which case, you would be considered prescient. 🙂

  20. indypendent

    itolduso wrote:
    Sometimes, being a good citizen is part of whom they
    are

    I suppose this is why some of these corporations take taxpayer money to outsource American jobs, huh?

    That shows exactly how good of a citizen they are.

    the Republican mantra is to give corporations whatever they want – taxpayer money, no regulations

    And in return we get what? Some fat cat CEO’s that give charitable donations?

    maybe you like this set up but let’s not call them good citizens – shall we?

    Whatever……

    • itolduso

      “maybe you like this set up but let’s not call them good citizens – shall we?”

      Who said I did?

      “the Republican mantra is to give corporations whatever they want – taxpayer money, no regulations”:

      Only in your eyes, and the eyes of those so likeminded.

      Your inability to recognize the difference between corprations, and conservatives, and Republicans blinds you to reality. There are just as many different corporations, as many different conservatives, and just as many different Republicans as there are anything else.

      But, whatever.

  21. itolduso

    And I don;t have a problem taxing churches, as long as we abolish ALL tax exempt organizations, and they ALL pay taxes.

    Delete all 501c3 statuses. They all pay taxes. Income taxes on their vast income, property taxes, sales taxes, and on and on.

    Can we be in agreement?

  22. itolduso

    “If you haven’t owned a business, you may not understand how it would be worth it to lower your tax liability at the end of your fiscal year, but in many cases it can be VERY worthwhile.”

    I have, and continue to have, owned a business. I have seen no economic reason to spend 100 dollars to save 35. However, in addition to many corporations, big and small, giving because they want to and can, there are other reasons, including making them out as the “good guy” in a public relations kinda way.

    • Well, my accountant advised just that very thing at the end of a fiscal year in which we had a small tax liability in the small business we were running. So, there would be the tax advantage of making such a fiscally foolish donation. It can sometimes be a good way to get rid of cash on hand at an advantageous time, too.

      • itolduso

        Well, I haven’t seen it, but the best advice is usually to follow the advice of a professional you trust.

  23. tosmarttobegop

    Talk to my first eye Doctor I seen, he told me the next time my insurance tries to say that it is not medical call him! Ahh, so far all the eye Doctors have given me samples of an eye drop to lower pressure in the eye.
    But they did not have any more samples so I had to get a script filled for one of the two.

    IT WAS 60 DOLLARS!

    When I got home I compared the size of the bottles and they are the same.
    Insurance will not cover that either!

    Saying it is vision and not medical….

    • I will never understand how the insurance companies have managed this swindle about separating vision and dental policies. If you can’t see, that is going to alter your life and possibly your health and perhaps even your life expectancy. If you have no teeth, that makes it rather difficult to eat, which is kind of a danger to your health.

      And as a person who was born with horrible vision, I feel as though I am being discriminated against when insurance doesn’t cover my vision problems. Without glasses, I couldn’t do a damn thing. And the way prices are going, it is costing me about $600 for each new pair of glasses (this doesn’t include the no-line bifocals that I should be getting)

    • Ditto — keep at em! Insurance companies decisions can be changed, it isn’t easy nor for the faint of heart. Is your insurance through your wife’s employ? Do they have a good HR person / department? If both those questions are answered “Yes,” ask for their help. Get the doctor(s) to write in support of the medical condition. Ask to speak to the supervisor at the insurance claims office, and the supervisor’s supervisor. Boy, can I do some haggling when I am indignant!

  24. itolduso

    Tsb-

    Well, that sucks. Seems like a “pressure” thing would be considered medical.

    Keep at em.

    • 6176746f6c6c65

      A “pressure” thing sounds medical to me, too; glaucoma comes to mind rather quickly (family trait, if one will, for that). As was said, keep after them.

  25. FYI —

    Wichita Orpheum Theatre: G rammy award winning singer, songwriter JOHN PRINE will be here on Friday, November 5! PRINE is the first singer, songwriter to read and perform at the Library of Congress! Get your tickets through Select-A-Seat today! 755-SEAT or any Dillon’s Superstore.

    Wouldn’t it be a wonderful event to attend together? Steven would have been asking off work for that night…

    • 6176746f6c6c65

      Sounds great, fnord; however, I’ll not be there. There is something about this time of year (Halloween through Thanksgiving, in particular) that makes me not too social anymore. Didn’t used to be that way, but…

      Enough “crying on the shoulder”; hope many can go, and all have a good time.

    • I’ll be thinking about you and sending kind loving thoughts your way.

  26. 6176,

    I meant to ask you earlier today if you have a favorite in the World Series? I remember you as a baseball fan but with a favorite team that is neither of these two who made this year’s series. Or, it’s always possible my memory failed — again. (sigh)

    • 6176746f6c6c65

      fnord,

      Yes, I’m a baseball fan; a rather “big” one. Yes, my favorite team (Chicago Cubs) didn’t make the World Series (what else is new?). I’m rooting for the Rangers in this year’s Series, but based upon the two games so far, this will be the curse that ensures the Giants will win in four.

  27. indypendent

    wicked – I’m a Cubbie also. I also cheer for the Bears, White Sox and Blackhawks (which did very well this year).

    I am originally from Illinois and I will always be a loyal fan – regardless of how hopeless things look.

    As for this World Series – neither team really excites me but I kinda like the Giants. No particular reason – just because.

  28. I can’t remember the details of an article I read recently, I only remember that it was about mid-terms being before the World Series was finished…

    Anyone else remember?

    I must remember to try to remember better…