Wednesday, 10/20/10, Public Square

“If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.” —  Rene Descartes


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38 responses to “Wednesday, 10/20/10, Public Square

  1. Wealthy Republican donors don’t plan on resting on their laurels following the November election. Koch Industries, led by brothers David and Charles who have bankrolled a variety of conservative causes, has invited right-leaning big wheels to a gathering in Palm Springs, California, in January. The goal will be to “develop strategies to counter the most severe threats facing our free society and outline a vision of how we can foster a renewal of American free enterprise and prosperity.” In a personal note, Charles Koch added, “If not us, who? If not now, when?” According to the letter, obtained by The New York Times, the meeting will focus on brushing back against “climate-change alarmism and the move to socialize health care.” Past Koch gatherings have included Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas and leading conservative lawmakers and state governors.

    • I think that Supreme Court justices should avoid any kind of political gathering and should not publicly support any political group or faction. If lawmakers or judges want to keep any kind of faith in the system, they should do all they can to de-politicize the Supreme Court and to have the justices adhere to a non-partisan life.

  2. Here’s an implementation timeline showing what and when provisions of the health-care reform take place:

  3. tosmarttobegop

    Criminals hate election years, no not incumbents those in jail waiting for a day in court.
    They say that any elected official in the legal system suddenly try to prove how tough they are on crime.
    D.A.s and Judges will push harder to make sure that the sentences are harsh and longer.

    Otherwise in off years they seem to more just go through the motions of their jobs.

  4. tosmarttobegop

    The forth district election is really turning into nothing more then a partisan election then a good choice in either. Goyle’s ad is in part deceitful when he ties Pompeo in with outsourcing and China.
    By the time that Pompeo came on board with the company operating in China any lost of American jobs were done.

    I do find Pompeo less trustworthy simply because he is playing Kansans as fools and simple minded.

    • indypendent

      Has Pompeo ever addressed the issue of that China manufacturing plant?

      And if Pompeo came into that company after the fact, then why did he continue with the company if he knew this was going on?

      I truly think Republicans see nothing wrong with outsourcing American jobs because it is all about money. And the more an American company makes in profit, they think that is okay.

      • tosmarttobegop

        It is kind of like a hit man who tells the target “its nothing personal… just business!”.
        Something that is so obvious to me and they seem to not have a clue.
        You cut out the earning ability of your customers your business losses the profit from them.

      • prairie pond

        True, but they DO care if it is THEIR job!

  5. tosmarttobegop

    If you think that Conservatives in Kansas are thick header, spend some time in Oklahoma!
    Gone are the days when being a Republican was odd and so unusual that it actually made the local news paper.

    The news on the major State TV. channels are worst then Fox!

    • The part I hate most is how the Republicans use the good people to pursue their goals. Those are mostly God-fearing, kind-hearted, hard-working people who don’t take or have the time to see how badly they are being manipulated.

      I still have many relatives there in the state where I was born. I hear everyday about how evil democrats are and how Republicans are the only people who can protect Christians and the moral way of life.

      • tosmarttobegop

        Man that is so true! I had the chance to talk with several and they were shocked at what I was saying.
        It hit home to some who have a relative that has medical problems and I pointed out the intent to base health care on the value to the society. AND that it is not a concept that is in the mindset of the Liberals it is a Conservative concept.

        They agreed with me when I said that the Liberals would not only have no problem spending the national treasure to keep someone alive for one more day but also to have them have a new puppy by their bed!

        But yes most people are nothing like the Conservative mindset of the power brokers.

    • I have an uncle by marriage and somehow we learned we share ideas and thoughts on politics. I don’t know how we discovered it because we neither one make waves and sit quietly or get up and leave when the talk turns to politics. It’s so full of hate I have trouble remembering those people are loving, kind, God-fearing people I love dearly. Anyway, Uncle Leonard and I find refuge with one another. When it gets really bad we can go for a walk or talk about his garden or otherwise help each other control our desire to say something. Nothing good would come from us opening our mouths — it would just encourage the loudest of them to ‘convince’ us of how wrong we are. They’d go round up the preacher to come convince us…

  6. Pompeo is exactly what I expect from a person bought and paid for by Koch. He won’t be more or less influential than Tiahrt, and he does seem less stupid. I could be wrong, have been wrong many times, but maybe he can at least conduct himself politely. These Koch-purchased politicians seem to be made from the same mold and they all run together with few distinctions to set them apart.

  7. indypendent

    I don’t like the way Pompeo’s ads seem to stress how Christian, patriotic, conservative, hard-working, fiscally responsible he is.

    But I never hear him toot his own horn about being a Washington DC Harvard-educated lawyer.

    Perhaps he simply has selective memory?

    • indypendent

      I forgot to add to the first sentence – and there are alot of other folks with the same qualities – so Pompeo is not exactly the GOP messiah they think he is.

      He will simply be another Big Business Republican who says one thing and does another.

    • prairie pond

      Maybe he just knows his voters. While some of us find that kind of insincere schtick offensive, most voters in Kansas lap it up.

      With a spoon…

  8. Thomas’s Ex: Anita Hill Was Accurate

    It seems that, by asking Anita Hill for an apology, Clarence Thomas’s wife Virginia has opened the lid on the whole controversy once again: Lillian McEwen, who dated Thomas from 1979 through the mid-1980s, tells The Washington Post that “The Clarence I know was certainly capable not only of doing the things that Anita Hill said he did, but it would be totally consistent with the way he lived his personal life then.” McEwen is writing her memoirs but has never before publicly discussed her relationship with Thomas. Virginia Thomas also has a history of leaving unsolicited voicemails: She called a Washignton Post reporter who wrote an article about a man falsely accused of being a sex pervert, saying it reminded her of her husband’s ordeal; and she defended David Brock after he renounced a book he wrote attacking Anita Hill, saying that no one deserved the smears he was being tarred with.

    • indypendent

      I read a comment on another blogger that basically said – if Thomas did what Anita Hill accused him of, it was only a minor thing and it happens all the time – so get over it.

      Are we still on this neanderthal thinking that whatever a man does to a woman is okay?

      And if we are still on this neanderthal thinking – whenever Republicans say that want to return to the Constitution of our Founding Fathers – they are basically saying that only wealthy white landowners need apply because women and minorities were considered property.

    • I see evidence on a daily basis that many men still think of women as property, lesser than they are and show no respect. Read over at WEBlog where the bloggers are predominantly male, conservative, rude and disrespectful. Attempt to participate in the conversation as an adult and find out how boorish their behavior is. They call other bloggers who self identify as males ‘she,’ because to them that is a put down, they use female anatomical terms as vulgar words.

      Here at PPPs we have men who respect themselves, who are secure in their masculinity and probably didn’t even participate in that kind of immature childish behavior when they were children, they sure don’t now. That might be why we have many women who blog here.

      • indypendent

        I agree with your assessment of the men on the PPP blog. They are the strong men – in my opinion.

        the Neanderthals need to just find the nearest cliff and then follow the Pied Pipers Glenn Beck and/or Rush Limbaugh off into oblivion.

      • tosmarttobegop


        Its not easy being green….

      • We’ll start calling you Kermit

        croak, croak… 😉


        BG Products now has an ElDorado presence and I think you’re closer to ElDorado than Wichita. Have you ever applied there — either ElDorado or Wichita?

      • prairie pond

        “They call other bloggers who self identify as males ‘she,’ because to them that is a put down”

        I’ve noticed that too, and find it waaaaaay offensive. Like the worst thing that person could be is a woman. Or that being a woman automatically makes that blogger stupid, or “less than” someone else.

        And it comes from people I would not have thought could be that low.

    • wicked

      Funny NYer article. Seems those commenting didn’t find the humor in it that I did. 🙂

  9. It sounds like if either of the Schneiders live to see the outside of a federal prison they will be old enough to not cause further harm.

    He got 30 years, and she got 33 years. They are currently 57 and 52 so would be 87 and 85 if they live long enough to be released.

  10. The indictment included a forefeiture so what the federal government doesn’t get it sounds like the many civil cases might. I don’t think the money they made will benefit them going forward.

  11. Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin has endorsed John Raese in a tweet, her standard form of endorsement. The tweet read: “Pennsylvania:makes sense 2 send GOP 2 DC 2 avoid PA economic disaster that will occur under Obama/Pelosi Cap & Tax scheme; workers need Raese.” The only problem with this tweet is that Raese (who lives in Florida) is not running in Pennsylvania. He is running for the Senate in West Virginia.

    • indypendent

      there you go again, trying to insert factual information when you know facts are not their friends.

  12. Justices Scalia And Thomas’s Attendance At Koch Event Sparks Judicial Ethics Debate

    Reports that two Supreme Court Justices have attended seminars sponsored by the energy giant and conservative bankroller Koch Industries has sparked a mild debate over judicial ethics.

    • Only a “mild” debate? I was just telling a co-worker this morning that these are hard times to live in if you are intelligent or have ethics, because there are so many stupid, unethical people in positions of authority and there are so many stupid, unethical ideals common in our society (like “If a company profits from it, it must be a good thing”). Maybe some of us have a small idea what it might have been like to be Leonardo Da Vinci or Gallileo or Lincoln or even Mother Teresa.

  13. This gives a pretty good indication of Sarah Palin’s high opinion of herself: She desecrated a U.S. flag this weekend—by signing it with her name. Salon blogger Emma Mustich noticed Palin signing the flag in a video on the Guardian’s website. According to the Flag Code, “The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.”

    • indypendent

      but the Conservative Right can do anything they want – didn’t you get that memo from the founding fathers?

      heavy, heavy sarcasm/

      BTW – I wonder what Betsy Ross would be saying to Sarah Palin about that flag signing stunt?

  14. I went back to that fun article 6176 shared yesterday to read the comments after wicked mentioned them. I found this one from someone who uses satireguy as a nic, and found it fun, I think you will too —

    In what some are calling a highly unusual voicemail message, Virginia Thomas asked Anita Hill to apologize to her husband Clarence Thomas for her allegations of inappropriate sexual comments against him during his 1991 Senate confirmation hearings. But it turns out that Ms. Thomas’s recorded appeal is only the latest in a recent series of requests for apologies: Monica Lewinsky’s voicemail – October 10, 2010 Monica, it’s Bill, Bill Clinton. I just wanted to call and say I hope there’s no hard feelings about all that went down, so to speak, fifteen years ago. I’m still not sure why you said that our innocent flirtation constituted sexual relations when we both know that it really depends on what the meaning of “is” is. It would be great if you could make a public apology so we could put all this behind us and I could start sleeping in the big bed with Hillary again. John Kerry’s voicemail – October 12, 2010 Hey, big guy, it’s W, George W. How’s it hanging there, Johnny Swift Boat? Look, I’ve been thinking and it would be a nice gesture on your part if you’d apologize for all those mean things you said during the 2004 campaign. After all, how did I know there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? And, heck, that wasn’t really the point anyway, was it? How about saying a nice big “I’m sorry” and then everyone would know I was a good ole boy all along? Barack Obama’s voicemail – October 14, 2010 Mr. President? It’s Hillary, Hillary Clinton. You know, your Secretary of State? I’ve been thinking and I’d really appreciate it if you’d apologize for what you said in that debate back in 2008. “You’re likable enough, Hillary?” Boy, that really stung. How about just saying you’re sorry and then tell everybody what a great person I am? And if it’s not asking too much, it would be a gracious gesture if you didn’t run in 2012 and let me show everyone how really likable I can be. John McCain’s voicemail – October 16, 2010 John, it’s Sarah, Sarah Palin – the hockey mom. I was your running mate back in 2008. But you know, I could have been more than just your running mate if you and your crazy advisors had let me run the show. We’d both be sitting pretty in The White House right now, John, if you had just left everything to me. Anyway, I don’t want to be crying over spilt moose milk. If you would just apologize and endorse me for 2012, I’d forgive you faster than green grass through a goose. Jenn Sterger’s voicemail – October 18, 2010 Hi, Jenn. It’s me, again. No, no, let me start over. It’s me, Brett, Brett Favre who has never left a voicemail message for you before, OK? Or a text or a sext or whatever they call them. Boy, you’re smoking hot. Whoa, wait a minute. Can I just re-record this? Anyway, I was kind of hoping you could publicly apologize for saying I did all those things. I’d really, really appreciate it. And if you could return those photos of me, that would be even better.

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