Tuesday, 10/19/10, Public Square

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23 responses to “Tuesday, 10/19/10, Public Square

  1. “If God had wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates.” — Jay Leno

  2. The Schneiders are sentenced today. I’ve been thinking about that. Their greed killed people, ruined lives, made unhealthy people worse, defrauded millions of dollars… I know people can change but wonder if those two should be given any chance to do more harm in an effort to see whether or not they are rehabilitated. I think they belong locked up forever.

    Then I thought of the bankers, the CEO’s, politicians, others whose greed has ruined lives… Many of them will never be taken to task for their deeds.

    Money is the root of all evil.

    • wicked

      Then I must be very good. 😉

    • 6176746f6c6c65

      fnord, I believe the entire verse is “Love of money is the root of all evil”. Which, when I think it through, makes much more sense from the perspective of a functional human society than does the more popular and oft repeated truncated version.

      Carry on.

  3. Not a good week for television moms and dads. Mom June Cleaver died a few days ago, and now ‘Happy Days’ Dad Tom Bosley has died.

  4. indypendent

    As for the Schneiders – I think when they started out, their true motivation was to help people manage their chronic pain.

    But you noticed the moment when they started messing with the billing to the feds, that is when things got stopped and the investigations started.

    I’ve been in health care for a long time and there is alot of temptation out there to defraud for those millions. But it is always greed that brings out the rats off the sinking ship.

    Sad to say, the Schneiders are probably not the only ones – they are the only ones that got caught – this time.

    • indypendent

      but I do feel sorry for their kids – they don’t deserve to be put through all this hell.

      • It was during my 18 months on the federal grand jury that the indictments were handed down against this pair of crooks. I feel nothing but relief that they are not able to harm more people.

      • Actually, there are even reasons those two young adults they adopted will be much better off without them. They were about as good at parenting as they were at delivering medical care.

  5. indypendent

    I did not know you were on the federal grand jury at that time. You probably know more than I do (or the general public, for that matter) but my comment was not meant to be seen as giving these two a free pass.

    I still think they got what they deserved but I also think these two are the not the only ones out there doing the same kind of stuff.

    The temptation to defraud the government is too much and the system is not exactly set up to weed out the bad apples until after the fact.

    I’ve watched the nursing home industry be decimated by these for-profit corporations using the Medicare system to get their millions only to turn around and sell the home to the next corporation determined to do the same thing. Then the cycle repeats itself. The nursing homes that seem to not fall into that category are the church-related homes.

    I do think Medicare has tried to clamp down on these abuses – but as with all things – the crooks will only figure out a new way to get to all that money.

    • Another ‘problem’ Medicare for all would make easier to detect.

      The Schneiders were able to bill multiple insurance companies along with Medicare and Medicaid for a day’s ‘services.’ The coded the billings for services that only a doctor could provide (defined by the code used) and that code specified services that would take a minimum of 10 minutes of the doctor’s time. There was never another doctor, only Dr. Schneider, and if you totaled the time billed for his ‘care’ you often came up with more than 24 hours in a day. Now, they had been billing ONE place this would have been caught much sooner. Sometimes they billed for seeing in excess of 150 patients per day! Sometimes those billings happened when the Schneiders were out of town, yet the codes indicated they had seen a doctor — not a PA, a doctor.

      • indypendent

        You make a very good point. The current health care system we have is not all that great and the ability to defraud is very enticing to those who are so inclined to do so.

        And as we have both said – it will catch up to the person eventually – but it takes time and then usually – there is no punishment but a fine.

        But with the Schneider’s, since there were patients that died – that made it a highly visible case and a criminal case.

        Hopefully, things will get better with the health care reform but I am not holding my breath.

  6. tosmarttobegop

    Well I came back and today was the stress test, hated having an IV in my arm for hours!
    Needles are a curse and though it is stop physically hurting the mental part of knowing it was there was maddening.

    Now as to the results, nothing of concern was found and I am normal or at least my circulation is.
    They decided it was needed to see if there were any other blockages which is sound considering that I had no idea about the one that cause the eye problem.

    Ahh, something I hate to admit, over the weekend I back slipped.
    A week ago Sunday I had decided to quit smoking and thanks to the patches was making it good.
    Though every little thing was driving me nuts and felt like I had no place to get away from them.

    Well my wife and I had a fight Saturday and she accused me of having bought a pack of cigarettes.
    SO I went out and did it! I have a fear of heights BTW and being on a roof or porch roof that is.
    I was lighting up after it started getting to me.

    I am not thinking I have quit quitting smoking just had a moment of smoking.

    • You are not normal! I wouldn’t love you so much if you were just like everyone else! 🙂

      Ah, smoking. What a hard habit to kick. Don’t be hard on yourself if you had a cigarette or a pack of cigarettes. So? You didn’t smoke for a week or so, you still want to not smoke. I think if you let yourself think you failed that would be a pretty good excuse for continuing to smoke. Or, if you really want to quit, you could tell yourself you really didn’t do very good last weekend so you need to do better. You are a human, you know! Even if you aren’t normal…

    • wicked

      tstb, I’ve passed the six month mark, and I’ll be honest and say that there have been times when I came really, really close to smoking again.

      I think the key is that YOU have to WANT to quit. Not because someone else thinks you should and you agree, but because YOU are ready.

      My oldest quit for a few months. Her hubby was supposed to have quit at the same time. He didn’t. She went out with some friends and decided she’d be fine just smoking for the evening. She’s smoking again, full time.

      It isn’t easy. Let me repeat that. IT ISN’T EASY. But it can be done. And if it doesn’t work the first time, try it again. In time, it’ll work.

      And all this doesn’t mean I won’t fall off the no-smoking wagon. I’m very aware of that. Just good for you for trying!!

    • Over seven years for me, and still there are times a cigarette smells good or I have a craving. Not as often and not as long lasting. The only thing that keeps me from giving in to that occasional craving is that I don’t trust myself. It was very hard and I don’t think I could do it again.

      • Freebird1971

        Coming up on 2 yrs without drinking(Oct 31) thinking that day would be a good one to become a non smoker. I’m going to use the same approach to smoking that I did to drinking.

        It isn’t easy but the compulsion and craving don’t come around very often any more and when they do they don’t stay long thanks to things I have learned.

  7. I know more than I wanted to know and all a grand jury needs to indict is enough evidence to say it is likely a crime was committed and likely this person or persons committed that crime. From there it goes to trial where much more evidence is required.

    I did see and examine documents such as billings, prescriptions and other pharmacy records, faxes from emergency rooms that are required by law be sent to the primary care physician when a person presents at ER in overdose. In fact sometimes those faxes were in a patients file and the next document would be a copy of a billing for their visit to Schneider’s office — the very next day. At that next-day visit they were given prescriptions for exactly the same drugs they overdosed on the night before.

    There were records of tox screenings that showed some of the drugs they were prescribed weren’t in their blood stream — this was because Schneider routinely prescribed their drug of choice PLUS some they could sell. He wanted his ‘patients’ to have a way to both support their habits and make regular visits to his clinic. He also made sure he had a steady stream of ‘patients’ by supplying his own patient/pushers. He supplied the drugs that would bring in new ‘patients.’

    • indypendent

      I have never smoked – so a cigarette smell to me doesn’t mean anything.

      But we all have our preferred addictions – don’t we? I crave chocolate sometimes to the point of it being an addiction. LOL