I Wash My Hands………………….

“And I was ’round when Jesus Christ
Had His moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate”

“Sympathy for the Devil” – The Rolling Stones – Jagger/Richards


“I just go BERSERK!” – Billy Jack, from the movie of the same name, just before he kicks some serious townsfolk ass.

Well, I am an amiable person, maybe, but after a bit you do just go berserk. I am talking about the mindset of some on the Right that feels any comment, criticism or acknowledgement of anything that the Republicans may have done and specifically the actions or failures of the Bush Administration are “looking at the past.”

Sorry, my friends on the Right, but you don’t get to just wash your hands of what your party did when they held the reins of power.

Our President inherited two wars, an epic collapse of our economy that threatened the global economy in a manner that could have brought on another Great Depression and a multitude of other issues.

What we get from the Rights is:

You can’t look at the past.

Who is in charge now?

What has Obama (and the Democrats) done to fix it?

I didn’t support George W Bush!

Well, somebody voted for Bush and the Republicans that held power. A few short years ago, you were singing the praises of GWB and condemning all criticism of him as being “anti-American.”

This is a bit of a rant, I admit, but what are your thoughts, my fellow low-life, Bush hating, socialists here at Pop Blog?


William Stephenson Clark

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42 responses to “I Wash My Hands………………….

  1. wicked

    Simple. Just remind them that they continued to blame Clinton during Bush’s eight years. We get at least that same eight. All is far, ya know. 😉

  2. indypendent

    Rabid Republicans are like snakes, they will turn around and bite you at any given moment.

    These are the same people that applaud when their own politicians promise to get rid of the waste in government but will turn around and ram an unfunded federal mandate like No Child Left Behind and the Medicare Drug Program down the taxpayers’ throat.

    But, these are people that cannot see beyond the next profit statement to see how much money they made. These are people that cannot see that big businesses that take government subsidies or tax breaks are technically on the government welfare roll also.

    But these are the people that really do not see the big picture. They do not care about what happens 5-10-15 or 20 years from now. They only care about themselves at this moment.

    And the rest of us be damned.

  3. tosmarttobegop

    When you create your own reality it is only depended on the reality before you what the reality is!

    One of my favorite scenes from “Little Big man” is when Custer is explaining to one of his officers the logic he is using as to what Little Big man is saying:

    He thinks I know what he is thinking.
    So I know he knows and I think the oposite of what I know he thinks I am thinking! That way since he thinks I think he is lying when he said something he then lies thinking I will not believe him.

    BUT ( and forgive me I am not being exact)SO HE THEN TELLS ME THE THE TRUTH!

    But then he thinks he know that I will not believe him and so the truth he is saying is actually a lie since I will think he is lying and so the actual truth is a lie and so by telling me the truth he is lying to me!

    And I will do the oppsite of what he said to do. Which will be exactly what he wants me to do! So I will do the what he said I should do but that is not what he is expecting me to do!

    (Which is how the Cons think you think and what you are doing!)

  4. WSClark

    Does anyone, other than maybe Laura and 41, even admit to voting for George W Bush these days?

    Kinda reminds me of the Mark Foley scandal – when the story broke, Fox News ran a picture of Foley with a caption of “D-Florida” below.

    • indypendent

      Of course, Fox News said that was a technical problem.

      Yeah, sure – it was one of their technicians that had a problem it was one of their own Republicans that could not seem to keep his pervert hands off his government-issued computer.

  5. “I hates everybody!” Comment heard from jammer 5/25/10 prior to his first cup O java.

    “Okay, just somes people.” Comment heard from jammer after his third cup.

    “I hates everybody!” Comment heard from jammer 5/25/10 after his sixth cup O java.

  6. G-STIR

    Jeeeez– Jammer- You’re not supposed to smoke that stuff!!

  7. Give em a free pass! It won’t make a hill of beans of difference. Somehow they seem not to be able to understand free and fair elections, the will of the majority, the people spoke with their votes… All their bitchin’ just makes them sound like the whiny sore losers they are!

    If they don’t like it they can always go out and find their own candidate and get him/her elected! Sounds easy anyway. Now, if they could only find someone who could pass muster to get nominated and still have any appeal beyond the base in order to be elected. 🙂

  8. Daniel

    This ‘washing of the hands’ is the true function of the Tea Party Movement (TPM). There was a legitimate but informal TPM started by Ron Paul and the Paulistinians prior to the election in 2008. I say the movement was legitimate because these folk truly were upset with the excesses of the Bush administration. TPMv2.0 is what became of the original movement after it was hi-jacked by Dick Armey, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and the rest of the FOX News crew.

    TPMv2.0 allows establishment Republicans to rally together and say ‘Not Me!’ when confronted with the destruction the GOP wreaked on our national economy. They claim that Bush II wasn’t a ‘real conservative’ and that they just hated all the growth of government and spending, that they benefited from, that occurred during the reign of Bush II. Don’t be fooled. It’s the same ol’ turd with a new shine.

    At it’s essence the true message of TMPv2.0 is this:

    We need change in Washington.
    Both sides are bad.
    The system is broken.

    So vote Republican.

    • indypendent

      I have a very good friend who is an avid Tea Party supporter. She is always sending me an invitation to join their movement.

      I told her that when this group actually gets serious about throwing out all incumbents, then I’ll consider coming and listen to their speeches.

      But I don’t know if my friend is stupid or just naive, but Todd Tiarht, Sam Brownback, Pat Roberts and Jerry Moran are all incumbents and haven’t all these men been speakers at one time at some Tea Party events?

      • indypendent

        My friend did not laugh when I told her that I was going to do exactly what the Tea Party wants me to do and vote for the Democrat – since he is not the incumbent.

      • I love that response! Did it leave her speechless?

  9. “We need change in Washington.
    Both sides are bad.
    The system is broken.

    So vote Republican.”

    I think you’ve stated the case well! Don’t most of us agree with the first three statements?

    I am neither completely pleased nor completely disappointed in President Obama. He has tackled big issues, overcome great challenges. He has gotten the ball rolling on some legislation that has been needed for generations but never gotten more than lip service.

    For example health-care reform. Needed, talked about, fretted about and finally it got off the starting block. I’m disappointed it wasn’t better, but still think making it better won’t be as difficult as that first step was. I’m not an all or nothing person and I do see perfect as the enemy of good, so I’m OK.

    The economy is improved, although I worry about jobs, and I worry whether or not the improvements can stand the test of time. I’m still pretty sure too much of our economy is built on real sandy soil.

    Just like the TMPv2.0 think improvement will be accomplished by electing a Republican, I have more confidence in Democratic candidates. They hold values closer to the ones I hold, our philosophies are closer. They care more about people than corporations, they value education, our environment, our diversity, science.

    When I think about recent Republican Administrations, I honestly can’t think of anything positive that was accomplished. I’m not playing games here, I can’t think of a thing. Anyone able to jog my memory or fill in the blanks?

    • indypendent

      I guess that would depend on which side of the gated community you’re on.

      If you can afford to live in that gated community and be connected to all the ‘right’ people, then those Republicans are your kind of people.

      If you’re only allowed to go into those gated communities to deliver their foreign-made crap, mow their yards, clean their houses and/or pool or watch their kids; then perhaps those same Republicans are not the ones you can call your equals, peers or God forbid – friends.

  10. “We need change in Washington.
    Both sides are bad.
    The system is broken.

    So vote Republican.”

    Unfortunately, this goes both ways. And it seems some of the posters on this forum may have forgotten that Democrats were “in power” for the last two years of the GWB administration.

    Obama himself voted for extending the war in Iraq and for broadening the government’s domestic spying efforts.

    I am someone who voted for Bush, based on the “lesser evil” comparison of the candidates offered. That doesn’t mean I agree with what Bush did, or that I let him off the hook now that he’s out of office.

    But it also doesn’t mean that after a year and a half in office (and three and a half years in power), Obama and the Dems get to just blame the previous administration for their failures.

    If anything, the last year and a half has just supported my contention that there is very little difference anymore between the Dems and Republicans. Bush has Guantanamo (which is still open, btw) and Obama approved the assassination of a US citizen (without a trial).

    So yeah, a pox on both their houses.

    • badbiker

      And specifically, what did the Democrats do during the last two years of the Bush administration to contribute to the current economic crisis?

      • wicked

        Besides not a damn thing?

        Yes, they should have stood up and SCREAMED for laws that cleaned up Wall Street! Yes, they should have stood up and SCREAMED for new immigration laws and ways to enforce them!

        But who would have listened to them? As we’ve seen, the Dems having a small majority doesn’t mean a whole helluva lot.

    • We’ve seen proof of the power of a less than 60 seat majority in the Senate.

      Oh, and then there’s the veto. How many times did bush the lesser use that tool? Was it used on spending bills? Was it used when that nasty simple majority democrats had the power to push through all those nasty things you didn’t elaborate on?

      All you need to do is find a candidate who better matches your political philosophy and then get him/her elected. Get your majority in Congress who please you elected too. Don’t worry about a filibuster proof majority because you obviously place the blame on the party who hold a simple majority.

      Of course, working together for the good of Americans and not placing blame would be the course of action I would prefer.

    • President Obama and the Democratic majority actually have many successes. They’ve managed to be quite productive. They sure didn’t have any cooperation or help from Republicans. In fact, I’ve yet to hear anything from the Party of No that resembles an idea or a solution.

      Why would I cast my ONE vote for a person who says vote for me and I won’t do anything, I won’t have any ideas or solutions, I’ll just block everything. I personally think that do-nothing person isn’t needed.

  11. badbiker

    “How many times did bush the lesser use that tool?”

    Twelve times, but only once (stem cells) while the Republicans held Congress. Four vetoes were overturned from 2007-2009 by overwhelming margins, but seven stood.

  12. indypendent

    emawkc:
    ‘and Obama approved the assassination of a US citizen (without a trial). ‘

    What are you talking about?

    • Obama probably isn’t an American citizen either. Uh huh.

    • I’m referring to the hit the administration has taken out on Anwar al-Awlaki

      The Obama administration has taken the extraordinary step of authorizing the targeted killing of an American citizen, the radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who is believed to have shifted from encouraging attacks on the United States to directly participating in them, intelligence and counterterrorism officials said Tuesday.

      I know it’s unpleasant to hear about this kind of thing. Or the fact that, far from being more transparent, the current administration has actually less transparent so far than the previous one.

      Look, I just think we need quite a bit more skepticism in our country. We need to hold Obama accountable, as he invited us to when he was inaugurated, rather than apologize for him and blame everything on his predecessor.

      • How do you think this should be handled?

      • badbiker

        The “US” citizen you refer to is hiding out in Yemen, calling for the killings of American citizens and actively aiding al Qaeda. He can never be arrested or extradited from Yemen without the US invading the country.

        Yeah, it sucks, but a .40 caliber bullet is small change compared to the possible loss of American lives.

        Too bad for him – turn on your country and deal with the consequences.

        Since we can’t bring him here for trial, this is the only solution.

        Ya’ll claim Obama is soft on terrorism then you turn around and complain that he is taking action.

      • indypendent

        What do you propose to do since you apparently hate both political parties?

        If you intend to have your vote count – aren’t you kinda up the creek without a paddle in our current system.

      • I’m guessing what he intends to do is VOTE REPUBLICAN like most who say they’re sick of both parties. You see, most of them didn’t adopt this distaste for both parties until after President Obama was elected. Takes us full circle back to the thread header where Will had the whole scenario succinctly stated.

      • @fnord,

        You couldn’t be more wrong. I’m on record since well be for the election as being frustrated with both of the so-called political parties. I don’t think either one really cares about making this country better. What they’re interested in is securing power and money for they’re team by whatever means necessary.

        Actually, indypendent is correct. With the way the current system is set up, I’m screwed. So are a growing number of people like me who are just fed up with the business-as-usual political game. I think most of us just give up and quit paying attention altogether. Makes me wonder what the mid-term election voter turnout will be like.

        But my main point is that the whole left/right, Republican vs. Democrat blame game is just so much political kabuki. In terms of actual progress, it’s a waste of time. But it’s what the political powers that be want, because in this theater of the absurd, the audience (voters) lose and the actors (politicians) win.

      • I don’t disagree with your thoughts! There isn’t much difference between the two major parties today. The money and power is obscene and far outweighs most thoughts of the common good. Even if a politician begins with the best of intentions it seems they are soon sucked in, or left ineffective. They’re bought and paid for, legislation is written by special interests and lobbyists, ‘lawmakers’ are pawns. Their main goal is to be reelected and they take the money and promise the votes to accomplish their goal.

        But even with that acknowlegment there is still a divide in political philosophy — the Republicans favor business and the Democrats still pay some attention to people even tho their first allegiance was bought and paid for by those big business interests. Government generates no income, they spend our money, and I can still see a difference in where it’s spent.

        As I’ve stated before, the democrats are closer to my own political philosophy. I do not want more and greater military strength and weapons of killing which is a bedrock of Republican philosophy. I do not want America to rule the world militarily. I do not want government involved in my reproductive decisions. I do not want religion and government co-mingled. I want liberal leaning Supreme Court Justices nominated. I prefer welfare directed at people over welfare directed at corporations.

        If I thought we could end the corruption, if someone showed me an effective way to fix what is broken in government I would be happy to participate. But this isn’t a new phenomenon, it didn’t begin with the election of the current or the last president. I am not buying into Libertarian philosophy any more than I buy into Republican. I make my choices with my one vote, I know everyone else does the same.

  13. indypendent

    Let’s see – 8 years of Bush with the last 2 years of a slim Democratic majority Congress compared to Obama’s year and half in office.

    Now mind you, Obama has had nothing but hissy fits and tantrums being thrown by the do-nothing Republicans for the entire year and half of his presidency.

    And we are supposed to let the Bush regime off the hook?

    I still find it very interesting that neither Bush nor Cheney has come out in public since this BP oil spill to even make a statement.

    These two oil men were in the White House when all those regulations/safety inspections were supposedly completed on this particular rig. The cementing work was done by Halliburton (Cheney’s company) within the previous hours before the explosion. And now the allegations of the federal regulators were too busy being in bed and getting cozy with oil companies.

    So where is GWB and Cheney to explain themselves. Or are we supposed to just say – too bad, so sad because now this is on Obama’s watch?

    Well, that dog won’t hunt.

  14. indypendent

    That’s what I thought, fnord, but maybe I missed a memo or something?

    But, I don’t listen to Rush, Beck, Hannity, Bill-O, Sarah P or Michelle Baachman – so I suspect I am not on their memo list.

    What do you think?

    LOL

  15. indypendent

    I don’t like everything Obama has done or said but compared to what we have had to endure the last 8 years of Bush and Gang, I am willing to give Obama time to do what needs to be done.

    badbiker is right – Obama’s critics always complain he is soft on terrorism and then when he does something, they turn on him like the snake they are.

    This reminds me of when Rush defended the Somali pirates that got shot when they took that ship captain hostage – remember?

    I remember when the Dixie Chicks simply said they were embarrassed that Bush was from their home state of Texas when they were overseas and all hell broke loose with calls for the Dixie Chicks to lose their heads because they dared to say something against the little emperor with no clothes.

  16. indypendent

    emawkc – I understand what you’re saying but is it really doing our country any favor by just giving up?

    I personally believe there are more and more moderates in both parties that are looking to jump their current political ship. And the independents have always been the voters that ultimately decide any election.

    But I still believe that even with the two major parties – governing our country can be accomplished through shared and compromised decisions.

    But how can that be accomplished when Republicans simply throw their hands over their ears, stop listening and start yelling I hate Obama on everything?

    And I do not believe Obama is personally against the country. He has been hit with the reality of hardball politics and that corporations are the ones that are currently making the rules.

    I think Obama is doing his best and I’m thankful we are talking about President Obama and not President McCain.

    As for transparency in administrations – I guess that would depend on whose looking glass you’re using. Republicans just gave us 8 years of the most secretive administration ever but yet they have the gall to complain that Obama is not transparent?

    I call B.S. on that one!

    And as for your example of the US citizen being targeted for assassination -really now, is that the best example you can cite as Obama being wrong?

    Obama’s critics complain about one known terrorist hiding out in Yemen but yet these same people applauded when George W. Bush gave himself the power to label any American citizen living in our own country an ‘enemy combatant’ and could be held in jail until they rotted ?

    That smacks of hypocrisy.

    • Indy,
      Check the link again. The analysis on government transparency comes from The Huffington Post, hardly a Republican news organ.

      Regarding the terrorist suspects, I think Bush’s treatment of so-called “enemy combatants” was wrong and violated their human rights — even though many of them weren’t U.S. citizens.

      I also think it’s a violation of human and civil rights to condemn someone — a U.S. citizen mind you — to death without a trial. Hell, I disagree with the death penalty when then IS a trial. But al-Awlaki, they haven’t even bothered to have a sham, kangaroo court to convict him in absentia.

      I personally don’t see why the fact that Bush was wrong makes Obama right in this case.

      But, yes, there is hypocrisy. There’s plenty of hypocrisy to go around.

      • WSClark

        “to convict him in absentia.”

        If the US were to convict him in absentia, there would no recourse other than waiting for an opportunity to arrest and extradite him.

        That won’t happen with him being in Yemen.

        The Deer Hunter…………………………..

        “one shot.”

  17. My final determination comes back to SCOTUS appointments which go on for too long a time (imo), and often have a greater impact than presidents.

    I am thankful every day that the two most recent exits (one filled, one nominated) from the court happened during President Obama’s term. I don’t even want to imagine what would have happened to our future if McCain had a hand in unbalancing our highest court.

    • Lower court appointments are important too.

    • indypendent

      I agree with you about the SCOTUS appointments being the lasting impact of presidents.

      Hopefully with a balanced Court, we can hold off the country from becoming a Theocracy. But I’m afraid the current Court has already allowed our country to become a Corporacy.

      • Yes, Indy, absolutely correct that America is already a Corpocracy, and we need to protect against also becoming a Theocracy!

  18. I stated: “I’m guessing what he intends to do is VOTE REPUBLICAN like most who say they’re sick of both parties. You see, most of them didn’t adopt this distaste for both parties until after President Obama was elected.”

    emawkc,

    I owe you an apology for jumping to a wrong conclusion. I was wrong, I’m sorry.